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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:06 PM
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So, Ms. Pelosi - I suppose much like Single Payer, the Public Option was never really on the table?
You are a fraud, Ms. Pelosi, who appears as easy to buy off as a corrupt sheriff. You were supposed to be the speaker, on behalf of the people, and instead you continue to cater to wealth.

You care not one bit that the majority of Americans want true healthcare reform in the form of universal coverage or, if need be, public run premium-based coverage to challenge the corrupt entities that call themselves, "Aetna", "UHC", "BCBS", & "CIGNA".

This just proves to me not another dollar to you or anyone who is not free from affiliation with all these corrupt Washington DC criminals who are without shame, and do not have to live up to the rules that we must.

You are complicit in the weakening of the people and have been a complete failure as the speaker.

There's no valiant cause that you won't water down to a mealy-mouthed compromise!



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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:07 PM
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1. Amen.
I am so disgusted with her that I could just spit.

K&R

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:14 PM
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4. hey, CP, it's so nice to see a familiar name right now...
I'm so sick of their complicity to screw the people while they rake in the dough from the corporations.

When I worked back in the day for one of these companies I mentioned, and was young and naive, I used to watch the nurse tell me and other employees to deny claims right and left, and I thought, hmm, these seemed like a valid claim to me - and now, getting older, I realize they were valid, but they probably kept a tight vise on the medical necessity staff and either made them feel threatened about their jobs or told them they got bonuses the more they kept costs down. I can still hear the cries of the ladies in my ears that I had to tell no to on the phone, that we weren't covering their ancillary expenses for cancer treatment. These bastards are the REAL death panels - and these people who are our party's leaders are old enough to know they're helping to make life worse or outright snuff the life of those in need.

I despise the insurance companies, and those who want to "compromise" and "trust" them to make things better in this country.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:10 PM
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2. What did I miss?!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:26 PM
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11. The smear campaign on Pelosi: check the front page
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 10:27 PM by ProSense
and then read what Pelosi actually said

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:34 PM
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14. I had read what Pelosi had said before. That was why the OP confused me.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:13 PM
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3. Can you point to a link supporting your claim that the public option is not on the table?
Q: Madam Speaker, are there any non-negotiable demands that you have for this legislation" And in particular, is a public option that you have long supported one of them?

Speaker Pelosi. Well, what the President said last night is what he has said over and over again. He thinks the public option is the best way to keep the insurance -- well, he said originally at the summit the best way to keep the insurance companies honest, to increase competition so that we can lower cost, improve quality, expand coverage, and retain choice. If you like what you have, you can keep it.

If somebody has a better idea, put it on the table, that's what the President said. Well, in the month of August, while people were complaining about the public option, they only put on the table -- they hit us with their best shot: distortion, misrepresentation, and obstruction.

So, so far, we haven't seen a better idea, but it could be there. So this is about a goal. It's not about provisions. As long as our goal of affordability and accessibility and quality, meeting the four -- which you don't want me to repeat again -- goals that we have in the legislation, then we will go forward with that bill.

Speaker Pelosi. But you never go -- I don't think you ever really go into a negotiation and say that some things are non-negotiable. One of those would be that we not pass a bill, and that seems to be the goal of many here. But as the President said, the status quo is not sustainable.

It's not sustainable for individuals. It's not sustainable for businesses. It's not sustainable for our economy. And it's certainly not sustainable for our budget. And the cost to Medicare and Medicaid and -- and their -- the increased cost will take us so deeply into debt, we must pass a bill that is paid for, at a certain limit, establishing priorities, that bends the curve, that lowers cost as we go into the future.

link


“President Obama was clear tonight that a public health insurance option is the best way to create the needed competition that will lower cost, improve quality, and preserve choice for all Americans. An overwhelming majority in the House of Representatives agrees.


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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:17 PM
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5. Have a look at this thread...
I could be wrong, but it looks to me here as though she is backing away from that public option:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4055649

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:21 PM
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8. Yeah, well this...
According to CNN, Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid "said they would support any provision that increases competition and accessibility for health insurance - whether or not it is the public option favored by most Democrats." When "asked if inclusion of a public option was a non-negotiable demand - as her previous statements had indicated Pelosi ruled out any non-negotiable positions," according to CNN. This was also corroborated by the Associated Press, and by Pelosi's own words, as quoted in those stories.

appears to be a distortion of what Pelosi actually said

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:24 PM
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10. I am very happy to be wrong here.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:31 PM
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13. and I would be very happy to be wrong, however, capitulation is queen when it comes
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 10:32 PM by Divine Discontent
to our speaker, and majority leader Reid is even worse. They are very much highly funded by the corporations that we are fighting against, that all 'regular' Americans are against. I don't trust them, and neither should anyone here.

The day President Obama signs a bill that has a strong Public Option is the day I stop doubting the politicians in Congress.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 11:17 AM
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21. now having a Public Option is not good enough for you? it has to meet your definition of 'strong'?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:18 PM
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6.  There can't be more than one
reality on the Public Option..so why do people keep posting lies about it?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:22 PM
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9. It's absolutely bizarre. Every friggin distortion by the MSM is validated by these people n/t
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 10:24 PM by ProSense
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:28 PM
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12. well I don't know Cha, but, you'll have to ask kpete herself why she posted the Open Left story that
shows Pelosi having a UnitedHealth Group fundraiser in her name just as Pelosi starts backing off the Public Option for the 1st time.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 10:20 PM
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7. the continually slipping level of support through their words and previous capitulations is more
than enough proof for me. Whatever they end up agreeing upon, to appease their Corporate Masters©, will be something that is so weak and base, that it will be laughable.

Every week we get another sign that they're backing away from the Public Option. Whether it be from HHS Sebelius, a Democratic senator, the speaker, or the president himself who campaigned and said we would have a strong public option - instead, we'll get a compromise bill that gives the Corporate Masters© enough leeway to do as they please, as they've always done.

This Democratic leadership we presently have needs replaced.

Speaker Pelosi & Sen. Reid are absolutely HORRID!
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:44 AM
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19. I'm confused, Obama seems more poised to sell out the Public Option than Pelosi....
Why are you aiming your criticism at Pelosi. Criticize Reid and Obama.... and Reid and Obama's efforts to pressure Pelosi and the Progressives to cave...

For now... Pelosi and the Progressive Caucus of the House are the only ones that I don't think are "absolutely HORRID!"...
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:12 PM
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15. Much like impeachment, or de-funding the war, you mean?
n/t
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im1013 Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 09:52 PM
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22. That's exactly what I was thinking!!
:puke:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 11:26 PM
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16. She didn't back off shit. Another case of distorting/parsing for disappointment
Do you think there is a better mechanism to give access and to counterbalance insurance companies than the public option within this framework? If such a thing does exist then that is what we should do.

She pretty much expressed that unless someone has an epiphany and dreams up a better wheel then the option it is.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 12:33 AM
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17. Medicare for all?
That would be a much better "wheel".
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 02:08 AM
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20. If Obama would support it... I bet she'd be willing and able to get it through the House...
... I'd be interested to watch the Senate kill it.... might actually cause some repercussions...
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-12-09 01:14 AM
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18. You don't get to be Speaker Of The House By Being Principled - You get that job by cutting deals
I've never trusted Nancy Pelosi. It's easy to take her positions in the Bay Area. If she were in Texas, Nancy's just one of those people who would be perfectly comfortable seeking power as a Bush/Perry Republican.
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