Joe Wilson Outburst Leads to Boycott

Joe Wilson Outburst Leads to Boycott


Bravo!

Excellent! Best news I heard all morning.

I won't live there or spend a dime there, given the horrific racist state it has always been. I was actually considering it, given that Charleston is quite a city. But as Addison "Joe" Wilson and the rest of them have proven, they haven't advanced one iota since Preston Brooks caned Charles Sumner on the floor of the Senate.

The state has been mismanaged by a GOP that has had an electoral lock on the General Assembly for waaay too long. If you like Charleston, you might also like Wilmington or Savannah. Equally charming, and one of them is in a state that went blue!

retirement is Hawai'i..County Kaua'iB-)

That's quite a pic from history..it's too bad because South Carolina is beautiful state but money will talk or lack thereof.

Since I already live here I would really like to see the number of liberals increase so I have someone to talk with once in a while! Truly, I am surrounded by Fox Noise disciples! For more than a year I was able to sport a Keith Olbermann bumper sticker without getting keyed BECAUSE THESE NUTJOBS HAD NO IDEA WHO HE WAS!

I was able to put an Obama sign in my yard without getting my house burned down, so there is some progress!

to be with family. I currently live in Jim McDermott's district in Seattle and I pretty much know how he is going to vote so I usually don't call or write him because I mostly agree with all of his positions (same with the senators). I can imagine frequently contacting the reps and senators of SC about issues though. Most of my political activities are done on-line anyway so the politics of the area (Myrtle Beach) isn't a deal-breaker for me...

Olbermann did they let you know how he had crazy ideas?

.....I'm fed up with the racists down there.

it became evident that I wouldn't fit in with the politics of SC. Lots of nice people there, but the RW mentality has screwed things up terribly.

Now this boob has made it even less appealing.

South Carolina, get rid of these clowns that are ruining your state!

listened to "Team of Rivals" on cd.

It was disgusting then and it's disgusting now.

I support the boycott!! (We don't live anywhere near SC, but I will keep my eyes open... if I see merchandise from there, and such)

NOT.

When you attack innocents for the actions of their government, or just the people they have to live next to, you risk aligning them under a common cause.

I've always been treated with courtesy and respect by the fine folks in South Carolina when I go there, and furthermore, there are a LOT of people from the Northeast in the process of retiring there. Look at how North Carolina went for President Obama in the last election, the same one where Elizabeth Dole lost her Senate seat.

Things are changing in the South, and putting them on boycott lists is just going to thwart that progress.

They only work when the people of an area are in support of them. Case in point: South Africa. The black people there were aware of the support of Western nations through the boycott, and encouraged it. That led to the downfall of the white supremacist government there, and that had this power that you speak of. Same with the boycotts of lettuce and grapes decades ago, the migrant farm workers supported that.

Contrast that with the US government's four decade embargo with Cuba. The people in Cuba still supported the Castro government, so that boycott did nothing to topple Fidel. Or, look at the Baptist boycott of Disney. They were not able to generate enough public support, because taking the kids to the Magic Kingdom or to "That Darn Cat" was more enjoyable than hating gay people.

Now, if you think that telling the people of South Carolina, "Hey, sorry we gotta do this, but we really want to screw up your economy over your philandering governor and some loudmouthed asshat that probably wasn't even elected by your district, but we know y'all are gonna unnerstand," then I'm not sure what thought process you used to get to that.

Cesar Chavez boycotted grapes and it affected the world famous wine industry in California. It worked. Boycotts work because they're all about what's in the wallet. Money talks.

Stop thinking of South Carolina of just being full of white people, and focus on those who arent, and you'll see the light.

Joe Wilson and the rest of their politicians were not born into office, they were elected to office by the people of their districts and the State of SC.
The people in an area do not have to be in support. The money spent in that area needs to be in support. Do they run the beach resorts without tourists these days? They are about to find out if they can.
They elected that man. They are not innocents, they are constituents. They hold the power to removed him from office, and they do not do so.

they are manipulated by the corporate media, and are not even aware that they are being manipulated. So, so sad that this happens all over our country. They are spoon-fed the pablum of lies, distortions, hypocrisy and fear and swallow every bite. which brings us back to square one: corporate media/America views us all as mindless sheep, and those who fall for this bs prove their point. So sad.

They should spend their money wherever they want to.

They don't owe the people of South Carolina anything.

I was addressing my remarks to the very idea of boycotting an entire state just because of a few bad apples that will probably be voted out of office anyway.

It's one thing to say to the people of a state or a district, "Don't you feel a little embarassed that you elected this nimwit?" and quite another to say, "We're going to punish you economically because of the nimwit's behavior."

... we're going to punish you, for electing this dimwit ...

i hope the boycott continues, and even expands to other districts and states, until the racists are voted out of office.

I'm white, support this boycott 100%. I hope everyone will do the same thing.

We're seeing the power that money can have. The State Chamber of Commerce is already upset about Sanford, so Wilson will only add to their discomfort. This, in turn has the legislature upset, which is why they're calling for Sanford to resign or be impeached.

We've had several people writing in to the local paper (Post and Courier in Charleston) stating that they and their families won't be visiting the state until our idiot politicians are removed from office.

The same thing that happened to Glenn Beckkk is happening to SC. While I'm sorry we're losing revenue, but I'm glad people and organizations are taking a stand against this type of behavior.

go peddle your trash someplace else...

your optimism about the South. I think racism in the South is firmly entrenched and handed down, generation to generation. They teach school children a different version of the American Civil War.

If you have a chance, catch Prom Night in Mississippi, a documentary about the school in MS that finally had an integrated prom partly due to Morgan Freeman going there and offering to pay. A lot of white parents didn't want it. And some whites STILL went to a separate non-school sponsored segregated prom, but more went to the integrated prom, there were no problems there and I got the impression that yes, some of the white students were racist, but more were not.

I'm not from the south, but I get the impression it's changing. It will take several generations and personally SC holds little appeal to me anyways as a state, but I think my generation and the one after will go a longer way than previous generations in terms of race.

I imagine what is nothing more than a statement of belief and intent to one person may easily be construed as an "attacking an innocent" by someone else.

Let's hope the WH doesn't admonish them for the boycott.

in the pocketbook. Losing money is the only thing people understand. Then maybe the people of South Carolina won't elect idiots like Wilson.

we will treat you right here.

You guys really must treat people right because her "IF I move there" turned into an adament "WHEN I move there". She fell in love with your city..she was gushing on everything: weather, museums, downtown (outdoor artwork that's around town, the layout of the streets, the lake/beach area, the screen that shows people's faces as water comes out of their "mouth", The Bean, and sooo much more.
She already scoped out what bank she would use as well as apartment prices.
If I didn't know better I'd say you all put something in the air that visitors inhale to convince them to move there!

although the beautiful days here are more than beautiful, and we do have many of them, she might want to visit in say, february, just so she knows. although honestly, it is not the really cold days that bother me so much, it is the cold spring days. the lake slows down the seasons, so fall is gorgeous. but spring is cold and wet and yucky most days.

but it is a great city. i am proud of my mayor. he is a crafty and hardworking guy. he could never have gotten approval to build that park, so he got it in through the back door and convinced the rich people to pay for it. those fountains are the coolest. and the bean is something else, as well.
we do have a 1% for art law that has resulted in some really glorious public art.

drop me a line if she really does move here. always happy to help a du'er.

You you have not seen the youtube video ~ please do!

and though there are many things to love about it, I have to say the weather isn't one of them. Your daughter must have been fortunate to have visited during mild weather. On the upside, the one thing we miss about Chicago is the food. Chicago has the best restaurants of any place I've ever lived.

She's a native Texan and likes warmer weather...but it seems like she's taking the stand that everything else she loved about the place outweighs the cold weather issue :shrug: She's said for years while in college that she would not stay down here after graduating so leaving TX means leaving TX weather!

Heh, any good Mexican restaurants in Chicago? That'll be a bigger problem for her if there isn't.

She's taken a job where she's going to be traveling alot up and down the East Coast for the next few months so last night we took her to have Mexican food cuz it dawned on her that the places she going aren't exactly known for Mexican which she loooovvvvves. And I'll probably be getting her a farewell bottle of Dr Pepper on the way to the airport this morning cuz that is her other addiction. Problem is, Dr Pepper is a big soda down here cuz DP is based in TX. Whenever we have traveled elsewhere it was almost impossible to find/order/buy. :)

or is it tex-mex that she likes? we got all of them, and the grocery stores, and the bakeries, and.....
one of the things that the ioc likes about chicago's olympic bid is that there are athletes coming from something like 250 countries, and we have at least a couple of restaurants, and grocery stores, if not whole neighborhoods for all of them.

my advise to her is to get the best winter gear she can afford. one thing about the cold, you can out-dress it. silk long john's are great, and she needs a full length down coat with a hood. she needs another good coat for the days that are not cold enough for the long coat. and smart wool socks. i like sierratradingpost.com. good bargains, and everything she needs.

Portillos! I don't eat meat anymore, but when I did there were hot dogs, sausage (Polish and Italian), Italian beef, pastrami, and gyros.

still exist here. the old days of the stockyards are gone, but there are still packing houses and sausage makers. there is a kosher butcher on my corner that makes some awesome hot dogs, great pastrami, smoked turkey.
chicago has it ALL!

is chains, which affects quality and service. On the upside, we have great, reasonable wine. That is definitely a plus!

and as such it has restaurants for just about every ethnicity. I'm in California now, so I have to say we have more Mexican and Asian restaurants than Chicago, but not enough genuine Italian or Greek. I don't think I've seen a deli since we moved here. Don't worry about Dr. Pepper, it is much enjoyed in Chicago.

Being your daughter likes the warmer weather, the hot, muggy summer days probably won't phase her. There were years where the summers were as bad as the winters, but there's a saying in Chicago, if you don't like the weather, stick around. It will change in 24 hours or less. I think that may be the hardest thing to adapt to. Weather changes can be drastic and rapid - warm spring-like weather in the morning, snow and sleet in the evening, and ice storms the next morning. It can be very stressful and no matter how well you plan, you can't always be prepared.

I lived in Texas for over year when I was younger and I have to say I agree with your daughter's decision. I moved back to Chicago the first chance I got.

The NAACP boycott of South Carolina has been in place for some years (articles states since July 1999); it was established in protest of a confederate flag flying on top of the capital along with the state and national flags. After the flag came down, it was moved to what some think is an even more conspicuous place in front of the statehouse. The boycott lost some steam after that but was not called off.

I am a bit surprised that,if the NNPA wanted to honor the boycott, that its meeting was even scheduled in South Carolina in the first place.

He's from New Orleans, my neighborhood. We attended the same grammar school.

From your keyboard to the heavenly ears.
:)

That'll get their attention.

:kick:

I won't travel to SC.

neck of the woods.:)

I know that in Kentucky a lot of us want to get rid of McConnell. but he is so entrenched that it is almost impossible. Possibly we will get the other seat in 2010 since Bunning will not win.

heckler wilson was beyond the Pale assholiness..I don't care what glen greenwald says about the President "he's not the king":silly:

:toast:

good news

Careful! Remember, Republicans booed Clinton, and Democrats booed Bush. Now a Republican has interjected during an Obama address. We need to learn from history and realize that this isn't the first time, and turning this racial could backfire!

Civility aside for a moment, I need a truth-check here: hasn't it been shown that the President's statement about illegals not getting covered isn't true? I believe they have to go back in and rewrite some things...is that true? If so, why would his speech writers put something so obviously untrue or inaccurate in his speech? I don't understand. It really makes our president look bad.

Next, why do we have to discredit Wilson by saying he shouldn't have been so "uncivil". Why can't we act "civil" ourselves and simply say in return, "Well, Mr. Wilson, you are wrong because it is in fact true that illegals are not covered under this plan, and here it is verbatim..."? Instead, it seems, we have to look ridiculous by saying, "Well, okay, it's not entirely true - we'll rewrite that part; but, Mr. Wilson's uncivilized behavior is worse than a lie, and he must be punished!" Furthermore, to call someone interjecting "racist" is a stretch, and makes those saying it look bad. The truth will set us free, not civility.

If we truly want progress, I think we should tread lightly about this "civility" thing, because it seems we're right back again to where we were when Rep's booed Clinton. Remember this headline on MediaMatters?: "Pundits called Dems' reaction during Bush address 'unprecedented,' but Republicans booed Clinton." (http://mediamatters.org/research/200502040014). This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and to throw in a race card will prove detrimental, I believe. How long are we going to act like this - or better yet, why do we continue to reelect and follow people who act like this?

So many among us voted for President Obama believing things would change and we would be working together more than ever; instead, it seems worse with more of the same pitting one side against the other. Things are more divided now - it's not just democrat vs. repub - racial divides are widening as sides are digging their heels in with things like this boycott. In other words, wouldn't we be better right now to seek "truth" at least as much as we promote "civility"? Let's talk less about little Mr. Wilson, and more about the truth by insisting our leaders communicate clearly what is actually in the health care plan. I think talking about Mr. Wilson and civility in the chambers is distracting from the important issue of health care reform.

Anyway, I may have this wrong (I often am) - if so, someone please set me straight. What I'd really like to have cleared up is, did our president mispeak, did he perhaps make an honest mistake in his speech, or did he speak 100% correctly and it's been twisted around?

Just curious...

Thanks!

addressing Congress. What Wilson did was inexcusable. I believe he's a racist. I absolutely think the state should be boycotted.

for non legal residents. In clear words. Simple language. What the President said was fully, 100% true.
If you were to read the proposed bills you could see that for yourself.
And you need to show a link for Bush being booed. I do not remember such a thing. I also do not recall Clinton being booed by the Republicans. The Congress is a place that drips of forced civility, a place where you call your nemesis 'gentleman' and 'honorable'. You make many claims without any form of
proof.

Here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

You're right, I should have backed up my claim. Sorry, I couldn't find the one where the Republicans booed President Clinton - actually, I think I was wrong on that one because from what I read, the 2005 incident was a first; at least, that is what Ted Koppel said: TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed.

You can read more about that here: http://mediamatters.org/research/200502040014

Do you have any links, documents, or exerpts from the proposed bills you mentioned I should read? I would like to see where you got your information too...

Thanks!

...the subject wasn't about Bush's character or how good/bad a job he did.

There seems to be a distraction from whether President Obama said something misleading (leading to Wilson's rude interjection) by saying the incivility in the house was unprecedented, when it wasn't. Let's examine the content of our president's character, not the color of their skin - by verifying what they say is in fact true. If President Obama was truthful, then Mr. Wilson looks even more despicable.

Can anyone please show me where it says illegals will not be covered under the bill President Obama spoke of the other night?

Thanks!

I was waiting for somebody to say something about that disrespectful clown name Joe "The Heckler' Wilson".

Publishers EVER want to hold a conference there?