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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:31 AM
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Do Mormon church leaders have anything to say about Beck?
Or is everything he says official Mormon policy?
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:35 AM
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1. Drag Mitt Romney into it
He's been hiding trying to keep himself all squeeky clean for the next election.
He could use some good ol' Republican mud.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:38 AM
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2. Ah, good idea. Someone needs to ask him a question with a microphone
in his face.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:41 AM
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3. Hey, that's good
"Mitt Romney belongs to the same church as Glenn Beck"

I like it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:06 PM
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35. That's actually an excellent idea you have.
Spread it around.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:42 AM
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4. I remember just a few months ago, when that organization
was focusing their bigot beams at the GLBT community, so many were certain that they did not have any reason to face off with bigots, organizing, marching in the streets, slandering minority groups, coming after our very human rights. Was it really so wise to lay down and let them attack your neighbors while y'all watched? CA passed Prop 8, the majority voting with Glenn Beck and his outfit. Now of course, you all wish to seem distinctly distant from Beck, as if you have always been out there, bravely defending minorities from attack by organized groups of haters. But that is not how it happened. Better late than never?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:42 AM
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5. I don't believe that Beck portrays himself as a spokesperson for the Mormon Church.
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 09:18 AM
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9. Perhaps not, but it doesn't stop them from hiring him to host their yearly 4th of July Gala at BYU
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 09:19 AM by Umbral
The Mormons clearly have no problem identifying with Beck and his politics (since the two are inseparable). And the Mormons have a saying, "Every member a missionary". Although I hear Beck's no longer a member, rumor has it he was excommunicated - TIFWIW.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:15 AM
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12. Every member a missionary.
Is both a benefit and a liability. In the case of Mr. Beck, it's a liability.
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Czar One Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 07:50 AM
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6. Beck is a Carny
This does not, however, diminish the danger which his antics pose to the President.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 08:03 AM
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7. Some Mormons have criticized him for having only one wife.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 08:42 AM
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8. Glenn Beck has a wife? EEewwwwww, gross.
What women was sufficiently insane to (ick) marry him?
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:12 AM
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10. Mr. Beck is not a spokesperson for the Church.
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 11:13 AM by SidneyCarton
The authorities in Salt Lake City are somewhat limited in what they can do with him. If he is in violation of certain doctrinal standards/practices, disciplinary action may be taken against him (disfellowship/excommunication) but beyond that there isn't much to be done.

The Pope does not issue comments on everything that prominent Catholics say in the Public Sphere, why should we be any different? Nor indeed is the Vatican's silence on such issues always seen as tacit endorsement.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:15 AM
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11. I know two Mormons, and they LOVE him!! Can't stop talking about how
he's a member of "THE church".

Of course, my church's most prominent members right now are Rev. Wright and Max Baucus. Maybe I'm just bitter.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:17 AM
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13. Yeah, I have some friends who think the same way.
I learned long ago that just because someone is a "fellow Mormon" does not mean that one can trust them implicitly. Like any other religion, my church has a fair number of asshats, who would sell their mother for the right price, and screw over their neighbors without thinking twice.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:20 AM
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14. Our local newspaper publisher, an ultra-right Libertarian and big Beck
fan is a Mormon, too. There seems to be some strong connection between Mormonism and the ultra-right Libertarian crowd. I don't think there's anyway around that, now. Just as my church is heavily imbued with Liberation Theology, which may or may not be a good thing, depending. I'm a Girardian pacifist, so the Liberation language drives me crazy.

Had a good friend recently leave the Mormon Church for the Community of Christ, saying the Mormons have just become, her word, "insane".
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:26 AM
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17. American Mormons have a ridiculous Libertarian streak.
I will not deny that. I read the screeds coming out of some of the folks in Utah and Idaho, and wonder what exactly is in the water. American Mormons are now a minority in the church (40% and slowly shrinking) Mormons outside the US are far less RW in orientation. (Every Brazilian Mormon I knew when I served a mission down there voted for Lula)
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:14 PM
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56. They don't care
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 01:15 PM by LoKnLoD
As long as the tithings keep coming in I think they could care less what the political leanings of their far flung religious empire is. As long as they maintain control of Utah and their iron grip on the government here that is their only concern. - from a non mormon Utahn
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:42 AM
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21. It goes back to Cleon Skousen - "The Naked Communist"
Skousen was the greatest of the red baiters in putting out books.

There was a thread yesterday that Skousen is the man who influenced Beck the most.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleon_Skousen
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:54 AM
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30. Interesting. And scary. I've been concerned for some time about where Beck
was headed. Then, last week, I actually watched an entire show. Now I am deeply concerned. Yet, I hope people will come to their senses, as they ultimately did with McCarthy.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:08 AM
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59. Beck got Skousen's book 5000 Year Leap republished and wrote an intro
and he gave $25K to the George Wyeth University in Cedar City (I've lived in Utah for 50+ years and have never heard of it, neither has anyone I know). The "GW" University (as they call themselves, like they match up to the one in DC) uses 5000 Year Leap as a text book for freshmen. Apparently its about how the US is a Christian Nation, Constitution inspired by God (the Mormon God) blah blah.

Skousen was so crazy (a Bircher, not a member but did speeches, fundraisers for them, his son was head of the Birchers for awhile) that the church separated itself from him. The FBI had a 2000 page file on him and he was fired as the Salt Lake City chief of police in the 60s.

If Skousen is his hero, and we know Skousen was a nut case, Beck is flirting with insanity (I know, as if you didn't know already).
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:21 AM
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15. Doesn't matter. He's public about his Mormonism and no Mormon leaders have denounced him
Their silence is de facto support and appproval of his behavior.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:24 AM
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16. So, the Vatican's silence on Mel Gibson's idiocy is also de facto support?
I find it funny that of all religions, Mormons are expected to have perfect discipline among the ranks, without the slightest bit of deviation or dissent, yet that is precisely what you criticize us for.

What's the real problem, that Mr. Beck is an asshat whose existence we tolerate as he has broken no ecclesiastical law, or that we have not lived down to your expectations as a bunch of green-jello, mindless pod-people?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:30 AM
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18. Gibson is a heretic to the Catholic church
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 11:30 AM by WeDidIt
He belongs to a sect that has denounced Vatican II.

The pope need say nothing about a man who has already proven to be a heretic.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:34 AM
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19. How convenient for the Pope.
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 11:35 AM by SidneyCarton
Surely the heretical Mr. Gibson is not the only high-profile Catholic who acts like an asshat in public with the Vatican's indulgence.

But, wait that's right, there are a large number of Catholic Democrats, and a relatively small number of Mormon Democrats. Hence who is the cheap target? So we will hold the Mormons to a standard we would never dream of holding any other faith to.

And in fairness, considering some of Pope Benedict's recent acts, it appears that His Holiness is not all that fond of Vatican II either.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:37 AM
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20. Cardinals, bishops, and priests speak out against asshat Catholics all the time
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 11:38 AM by WeDidIt
The Mormon church would do well to follow the example of teh Catholic church in how to handle asshats who misrepresent them.

Problem is, it is my considered opinion that Beck represents the leadership of the Mormon church precisely how they want to be represented.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:42 AM
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22. Really, and what prey tell gives you such insight into Mormon Doctrine?
I've watched Beck, and I've watched the leadership speak, there is no good comparison.

President Monson, (The current head of the Church) is no fearmonger, nor are any of the Quorum of the Twelve. One does not get a tone of paranoia, nor of siege-mentality from their addresses, sermons, or from official Church publications.

So, do you have the Church Offices in SLC bugged? Are you bribing one of their secretaries? Or is this just more double-standard crap like so much of what I read here about my faith?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:44 AM
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23. You're biased
I disagree with your assessment of the leadership of your church.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:45 AM
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26. And your posts have shown you to be the soul of objectivity itself.
:sarcasm:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:47 AM
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28. I'm not a member of the Mormon or the Roman Catholic churches
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 11:47 AM by WeDidIt
Until your leaders denounce Becks statements, especially his statements regarding Obama's feelings about white people, it is my considered opinion he is 100% representative of what the Mormon church is all about.

I base this opinion upon the historical doctrines of the Mormon church with regards to racial matters.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:51 AM
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29. I never accused you of being a member of either.
You are entitled to your OPINION, misinformed as it might be.

Would that the other was always as monolithically homogenous as we would have it seem, it makes our own prejudices seem all the more just.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:55 AM
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31. You cannot deny the historical implications of Beck's statement that Obama is a racist
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 12:04 PM by WeDidIt
and hates white people coupled with the fact that Beck is a Mormon.

You know damned well and good what the historical stance of the Mormon Church was with regards to African Americans.

So long as Beck is publicly making such racially charged statements AND proclaiming his Mormon faith openly, it cannot help but reflect upon a church that has such a despicable history with regards to how it denigrated anybody of African American heritage until relatively recently in historical terms.

Edited to add quotes of Mormon Prophets:

JOSEPH SMITH
(First Prophet and President and Founder of the Mormon Church)

"Had I anything to do with the negro , I would confine them by strict law to their own species and put them on a national equalization.'' History of the Church, Volume 5, pages 218 - 219.


BRIGHAM YOUNG
(Second Prophet and President of the Mormon Church)

"I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the Children of men, that they may not call scripture!" Journal of Discourses, Volume 13, page 95.

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable, sad, low in their habits, wild, ad seemingly without the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind. The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be and the Lord put a mark on him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then other curse is pronounced upon the same race - that they would be the "servant of servants;" and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree." Journal of Discourses, Volume 7, pages 290 291

"In our first settlement in Missouri, it was said by our enemies that we intended to tamper with the slaves, not that we had any idea of the kind, for such a thing never entered our minds. We knew that the children of Ham were to be the "servant of servants," and no power under heaven could hinder it, so long as the Lord would permit them to welter under the curse and those were known to be our religious views concerning them." Journal of Discourses, Volume 2, page 172.

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so." Journal of Discourses, Volume 10, page 110.


Those are only two of your prophet's words. There were many others in the same vein about the "seed of Cain". It wasn't until 1978 when your church attempted to erase 140 years of overt racism contained within church doctrine. Beck merely reflects the history of your church.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:00 PM
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32. Yep. Blacks somehow only became fully human in 1978.
Why anyone would join such an organization is beyond me.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. Full text Official Declaration 2
(Would you please point out to me where in this document we state that Blacks were ever sub-human?)

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/od/2
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:10 PM
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39. Not subhuman, just "cursed by God"
MARK E. PETERSON
(of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Mormon Church)

"Who placed the Negroes originally in darkest Africa? Was it some man, or was it God? And when He placed them there, He segregated them.... The Lord segregated the people both as to blood and place of residence. At least in the cases of the Lamanites and the negroes we have the definite word of the Lord Himself that He placed a dark skin upon them as a curse - as a punishment and as a sign to all others. He forbade intermarriage with them under threat of extension of the curse

"....And He certainly segregated the descendants of Cain when He cursed the Negro as to the Priesthood, and drew an absolute line. You may even say He dropped an Iron curtain there. The Negro was cursed as to the Priesthood, and therefore, was cursed as to the blessings of the Priesthood. Certainly God made a segregation there.

"Think of the Negro, cursed as to the Priesthood. Are we prejudiced against him? Unjustly, sometimes we are accused of having such a prejudice. But what does the mercy of God have for him? This Negro, who, in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa , if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost....

"If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would all be cursed as to the priesthood. Do I want my children cursed as to the priesthood? If there is one drop of negro blood in my children, as I have read to you, they receive the curse, There isn't any argument, therefore, as to intermarriage with the Negro, is there? There are 50 million Negroes in the United States. If they were to achieve complete absorption with the white race, think what that would do. With 50 million Negroes inter-married with us, where would the priesthood be? Who could hold it, in all America? Think what that would do to the work of the Church!....

"Now we are generous with the Negro. We are willing that the Negro have the highest kind of education. I would be willing to let every Negro drive a Cadillac if they could afford it. I would be willing that they have all the advantages they can get out of life in the world. But let them enjoy these things among themselves. I think the Lord segregated the Negro and who is man to change that segregation?" Race Problems - as They Affect The Church (address given at Brigham Young University)


Your church has an overtly racist history. Beck is merely reflecting the history of your church and none of your leaders have denounced Beck's statements regarding the president. This reflects directly on your church.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. So, that talk, It was given at BYU last year?
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 12:16 PM by SidneyCarton
Oh wait, it was given in 1954! Gee, I wonder how many other faiths would be embarassed by talks on race and segregation given by their leaders in 1954?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #42
45. You know fully well teh history of your church's racist past
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 12:19 PM by WeDidIt
I'm not biting.

31 years ago was when your church attempted to erase a racist past and make it all seem better.

Then your church refuses to denounce a prominent member who makes racially charged statements regarding the first African American president of the United States.

And you're whining because I and many others consider this a reflection on your church?

:eyes:

You shouldn't be getting upset about non-Mormons who point out the blatant hypocrisy. You should be talking to the current Prophet and the Quorum opf the Twelve Apostles.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:21 PM
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46. I get it, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't!
We extend the Priesthood to African-Americans in 1978 and we're being inconsistent and "hiding our racist past."

And yet, I doubt you'd be praising our doctrinal consistency had we failed to do so?


As to Mr. Beck's statement, the fact that it is plainly idiotic and ridiculous (Mr. Obama's mother, and the grandparents who helped raise him were both white) makes me wonder why exactly a denunciation is necessary.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #46
52. Look, there's basically a couple of options here
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 12:57 PM by WeDidIt
Either your prophet is silently agreeing with Beck or your prophet is afraid Beck wields more power amongst the majority of your church's membership than he does.

Either way, Beck claims his faith shapes his worldview and his worldview has told him Barack Obama is a racist who hates white people. This reflects on your church whether you like it or not.

The silence from your church's leadership over Beck's overt racism lends credence to the long held belief by many in the non-Mormon community that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints only recanted the racist doctrines of the chruch out of convenience and not out of any real belief.

I have many young African American friends. They were outraged and shocked at Beck's statements. They became outraged and shocked at the Mormon church when I told them I wasn't surprised at all because of the fact that Beck is a Mormon. They had no knowledge of the RECENT HISTORY of official racist doctrine in the LDS church. They are now telling their friends about Beck and the history of Mormonism.

This isn't something that you can wish away.

Beck's racist rhetoric is a direct reflection on your church because of your church's history of overtly racist doctrine and Beck's assertion that his Mormon faith shapes his world view. Your church cannot escape this association until your church's leadership denounces Beck's racist remarks.

Of course, I don't expect that to happen because I am firmly convinced that your church's leadership shares the views espoused by Beck.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Beck was not raised Mormon.
In fact he spent a large portion of his life prior to conversion outside of the Church. (He spent much of it drunk out of his mind too, but that's another story.) So isn't it possible that he might have been a bigot before he chose to join the Church.

African-Americans were denied the Priesthood until 1978. Since 1978 they have had the same rights, privleges and powers as any other group in the church. The fastest growing regions for the faith are in sub-Saharan Africa and Brazil, so our historical stance has changed, wouldn't you say?

Yes, the fact that Mr. Beck is an asshat and makes such statements while proclaiming his faith smears the Church with his idiocy, I agree. However, the fact remains that until Mr. Beck does something that violates the ecclesiastical standards of the Church (Adultery, Child Abuse/Molestation, Stealing Church Funds, Teaching of False Doctrine, None of which covers his idiotic statement about President Obama) no disciplinary action can be taken against him by the Church leadership. Excommunication in the Church is no arbitrary thing, it involves an actual procedure and evidence.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. Not surprising that a racist would be attacted to a church that taught,
until it became inconvenient, that Blacks are not fully human, really. Is it?
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. So why not join a fringe Southern Baptist sect?
Or a Christian Identity sect?

Critters2 you are a pastor right? Don't you believe in revelation? Don't you believe that God does things in his own appointed time? If not, what do you preach to your flock, whatever is convenient?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #38
41. For a Mormon to criticize anyone for preaching "whatever is convenient"
is laughable. My tradition has never changed doctrine in order to become a state, or to keep the IRS from pulling our tax-exempt status, as the LDS has.

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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Indeed and your tradition is?
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #43
57. I'm a member of the United Church of Christ. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Sorry, that does not alter a thing
He's read the words of the prophets.

The prophets have spoken. You can't cover it up. Your church has a despicable history with regards to African Americans, especially form teh mouths of your two most important prophets.

Beck is merely reflecting the historical doctrine of your church.

The lack of any denouncement from your church's leaders only serves to solidify this.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. I doubted it would
"Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin" (You have been weighed and found wanting)

Having already come to the conclusion you find correct, you will only accept as authoritative that evidence which supports your claim.

Tell me this though:

If Mr. Beck was a Baptist, would this be an issue?

How about an Episcopalian?

A Lutheran?

A Methodist?

A generic Fundie?

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. Let's see
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 12:15 PM by WeDidIt
Not any of those waited until 1978 to try to denounce racist histories.

We're talking just over thirty years ago before Mormons tried to erase a racist doctrine from their records.

So yes, I am holding the Mormon church to a different standard because the Mormon church held itself to a different standard WRT race until 31 years ago.

The one I would say comes close would be Baptists, yet that sect seems to condemn any hint of racial animosity coming from any prominent member due to the past of the Baptist church with regards to race.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:38 PM
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49. You organize against your neighbors.
You call prejudices just. You stand and defend the worst things. I am old enough to have heard all about how black people are cursed and not allowed to be 'high priests' and all of that. They were openly, dogmatically racist, within my lifetime, the whole organization. Last year y'all chipped in and came after the human rights of your GLBT neighbors, spouting the same dogmatic prejudice.
Kid, you are maintaining a delusion. I see your posts as being posts from a member of an openly bigoted, recently openly racist club. You speak of your friends, and I know they have attacked my people. Your friends. Paid to have my people's rights revoked. Yet you mince words and expect something other than utter derision? You should be abjectly sorrowful, and recanting those bags of hate, not calling them friends who have 'just reason' to be bigots. The very history of your group, like that of SC, makes the things you say and do righteously open to deep scrutiny.
With Prop 8, just like with Beck, there was NO voice from your group raised in opposition to the hate and venom. Silence is the most telling of actions. The most damning of choices.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:58 PM
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53. +1
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:12 AM
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60. oh please
I was raised in Utah and there are Mormons of all stripes. To stereotype them as you are doing is unfair.

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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:45 AM
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24. Gibson is not Roman Catholic. Catholic, yes. Roman, no.
This would be like expecting the hierarchy in Salt Lake City to denounce a member of the Community of Christ. Makes no sense.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:45 AM
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25. Bingo. n/t
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:46 AM
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27. As the poster above pointed out to me, point taken.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:28 PM
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47. Gibson is not a member of the Roman Catholic Chruch at all
He openly condemns the Vatican. He's not a Roman Catholic. No matter how many times you say he is, he's not.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:30 PM
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48. Is this the same Mormon church that pushed
Proposition H8?

Just askin'
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:46 PM
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50. Yes, as a matter of fact, it is! The same bigots who brought you
Prop 8, Mitt Romeny, polygamy, and blood atonment, now bring you Glen Beck!
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:02 PM
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55. In seven fruity flavors!
:bounce:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:52 PM
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51. bech is Morman?! Well What The
Fuck..I guess we can add Hypocricy to his resume.

Shouldn't everyone know this? Was it in the Time softball article?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 01:01 PM
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54. Beck has included it in every book he has written
and will often talk about how his faith shapes his world view on both his radio and television shows.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 05:31 PM
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58. Oh sure, bech would have to talk about "faith" so
he thinks he can get away with lying and being a devil in disguise.

I would think someone in the Mormon Church would speak out about beck using them..maybe Mitt?
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