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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:12 PM
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President Obama shuns Dalai Lama and Tibet
The Dalai Lama advocates the same human freedoms on which the U.S. was founded: Democracy and the right to exercise basic civil liberties. Obama's refusal to meet with the Dalai Lama while in DC, something that Bush and Clinton always did, is NOT change we can believe in.

Write to the White House immediately, please. This is unconscionable.

Wall St. Journal via a Tibetan friend living in exile
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203917304574416310279608876.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:22 PM
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1. "is NOT change we can believe in" How many times do we have to hear this BS
Edited on Fri Sep-18-09 10:23 PM by Thrill
Jeesh. It was played out the second week after the election.


And I don't need to read that Murdoch rag trying to stir up crap.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:24 PM
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3. Actually, it is change we can believe in.
Clinton and Bush-II regularly saw the guy.

Ergo, it is change that Obama will not.


Here's the creep-factor of them all:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/01/18/dalai-lama-i-love-president-george-bush.php
An interesting read.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 02:41 PM
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37. LOL I was thinking the same thing.
:thumbsup:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:57 PM
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13. I am so fucking sick of hearing that one.
It's the most overused sarcastic snipe at Obama since he won the election.
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FreedomTrain Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:21 AM
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18. Your lack of support for the Dalai Lama is duly noted.
Why do you hate Tibet?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:16 AM
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19. Bite me.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 05:55 PM
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39. Hah! n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:58 PM
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14. +1 as tired as "Under the bus", etc. etc. n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:51 PM
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31. The OP's head would explode trying to diss THIS article
No, it's not from Rupert Murdoch's OTHER BULLSHIT MEDIA CHANNEL:

http://www.examiner.com/x-14207-Lodi-Spiritual-Living-Examiner~y2009m9d17-The-Dalai-Lama-applauds-President-Obamas-use-of-cooperation-outreach-and-dialogue

The headline from yesterday reads:

The Dalai Lama applauds President Obama's use of cooperation, outreach, and dialogue

What the hell is wrong with some people?

:crazy:

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:22 PM
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2. Bush 41 or 43?
Why would President Obama refuse?

This is not logical.

Mr. Obama may be trying to smooth the waters after raising tariffs on Chinese tire imports Friday. Or he may think that a Tibet snub will buy him concessions from China when he visits Beijing in November. Or he may be simply caving to Chinese pressure not to have the meeting. China has bullied Australia, Germany, Canada and France in recent years for welcoming the man they label a "splittist."

By delaying his meeting with the Dalai Lama, Mr. Obama is only rewarding that choleric behavior and giving Beijing more leeway to protest whenever he does work up the nerve to meet the Dalai Lama. It also sends a message to other democracies that it's acceptable to cave to Chinese pressure.

Also missing from this picture is any understanding of why the Dalai Lama's cause is so important to both Chinese and U.S. interests. The Dalai Lama advocates the same human freedoms on which the U.S. was founded: Democracy and the right to exercise basic civil liberties, including freedom of worship. China won't be a stable and prosperous country until it respects these freedoms. And a peaceful China is in everyone's interests.


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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:30 AM
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21. Or Maybe He's Just Too Busy Trying To Get Health Care Reform Passed.......
he's also not going to Copenhagen for Chicago's bid for the 2016 Olympics.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:28 PM
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42. Why is Obama *shunning* Copenhagen and CHICAGO?!!!
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 11:31 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
WTF is wrong with the man that he can't/won't meet with EVERYBODY????!!!!

:sarcasm:
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:24 PM
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4. Sounds like he's delaying it rather than refusing to meet. Why the delay, I don't understand. nt.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:01 PM
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32. he probably doesn't want to piss off our sugar daddy, China. nt
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:26 PM
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5. Why should President Obama meet with the Dali Lama? nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:28 PM
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6. Nothing's coming up on the link and I'm going to
wait to hear from President Obama on this and not some broken link to the fearwing rag.

PO is helping implement a lot of good change since January.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:37 PM
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7. Talk about making
a mountain out of a mole hill. Sheesh!

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The Dalai Lama applauds President Obama's use of cooperation, outreach, and dialogue
September 17, 10:58 PM

Following a visit by President Obama's emissary Valerie Jarrett and State Dept. Under Secretary Maria Otero on Monday, the Dalai Lama applauded the president's use of cooperation, outreach, and dialogue. He encouraged him to continue to approach today's issues in that manner. He also expressed his appreciation for the president's concern for Tibetan issues, as well as his hopefulness that the conflict between Tibet and China will improve during President Obama's term.

Ms. Jarrett met with the Dalai Lama to brief him on our administration's intent regarding the struggle between China and Tibet. President Obama will be visiting China in mid-November.
http://www.examiner.com/x-14207-Lodi-Spiritual-Living-Examiner~y2009m9d17-The-Dalai-Lama-applauds-President-Obamas-use-of-cooperation-outreach-and-dialogue
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:42 PM
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8. Thanks for that article
Undercurrent~
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:49 PM
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10. Thanks.
Tibetans in exile are very unhappy about this. It may not be a big deal to DUers but it's HUGE to them. Time is running out on the Dalai Lama's current life and who knows what will happen when he dies. I understand the administration's reasons but...

I have to say, my skin is too thin for most of what is posted on here. What does Undercurrent~ mean?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 02:32 PM
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35. Could you please point out the evidenc e for your claim
about Tibetans in exile being unhappy with Obama? In other words, where our Tibetan exiles in their own words?
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Shanti Mama Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:15 PM
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41. They're unhappy with this decision, not Obama.
I'm deeply involved with the exiled community. I don't have a specific reference.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 05:59 PM
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40. Undercurrent~ is in reference to the poster of the article Cha responded too.
He was thanking the poster.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:56 PM
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11. Thanks for the article undercurrent...
Can't believe the lengths some will go to try to get people upset over some "unconscionable" act the president has supposedly committed. silliness :eyes:
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 02:09 PM
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34. This post should be an OP to give an accurate read on the situation. Thanks for the article! nt.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:47 PM
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9. so let me get this straight
there was no meeting setup, but because Obama doesn't drop what he is doing to have an unscheduled meeting with the DL, he is "shunning" him?

Yeah, ok.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 10:56 PM
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:55 AM
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26. If you believe that human rights are a 'pet issue'
then you are truly addicted to Kool-Aid.

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:01 PM
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15. Your title is inflammatory and judgmental.
Not very peaceful.

Obama highly respects the Dalai Lama and has said so on numerous occasions, so judging his intentions by using the word 'shun' is deplorable.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:24 PM
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33. It is totally inflammatory and not very
Peaceful. Not worthy of the Dalai Lama~
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 11:27 PM
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16. Take a little salt. That is the Crook St. Journal.
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namahage Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:16 AM
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17. Why not go straight to the source?
http://www.dalailama.com/news.432.htm


US President Barack Obama's emissary, Valerie Jarrett, called on His Holiness the Dalai Lama on September 13 & 14. She was accompanied by State Department Under Secretary Maria Otero, who she introduced formally to His Holiness as the designated new Special Coordinator for Tibetan Issues.
...
His Holiness gave an overview of the situation of the Tibetans in exile. He informed Ms. Jarrett of the measures taken by the Tibetans in India to preserve and promote the distinct Tibetan culture and identity through the kind and generous assistance of people and government of India.

He also updated Ms. Jarrett on the status of the dialogue process with the Chinese leadership, including the presentation of a comprehensive Memorandum on Tibetan autonomy to the Chinese leadership during the eighth round of discussions in October-November 2008. Ms. Jarrett discussed with His Holiness on the best way the United States could assist in the resolution for the Tibetan issue, particularly in the light of the first visit by President Obama to China in November. His Holiness conveyed to Ms. Jarrett the issues that he would like President Obama to take when he visits China. His Holiness also conveyed his strong belief that the United States and China need to have very good and principled relations.

His Holiness greatly appreciated President Obama's concern for the situation in Tibet and said he was hopeful that during his presidency the Tibetan people can see progress in the resolution of their problem. His Holiness is looking forward to meeting President Obama after his visit to China.

His Holiness expressed his concerns on a number of issues, including global conflicts and matters relating to the environment. He applauded President Obama's initiative to tackle these issues through cooperation, outreach and dialogue and urged him to continue doing so.


His Holiness welcomed the decision to appoint Under Secretary Maria Otero as the Special Coordinator for Tibetan Issues and said he looked forward to working with her.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 01:23 AM
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20. LOL
I'm glad the Dalai Lama's not a total dick.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:13 AM
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22. As soon as anyone says "That's not change we can believe in"
I immediately ignore anything they have to say. That phrase is like nails on a chalkboard....god, it's annoying.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 07:16 AM
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23. Bullshit story! It was not a "shun." "This is unconscionable!" LOL. Calm down. nt
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 07:18 AM by EmilyAnne
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 10:17 AM
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24. this a.m. I read a headline saying Obama has sent a delegation to

meet with the Dali.

what's wrong with that? he doesn't have to meet in person the Dali to get things done.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 11:53 AM
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25. The Dalai Lama stands on human rights principles, unlike our Leader
in the White House who has thrown LGBTs under the bus and continues to pursue several criminal Bush policies.
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:17 PM
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27. The Dalai Lama stands for human rights principles? All human rights? Really?
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 12:29 PM by Jackeens
You must be an unquestioning Hollywood celeb! Next you'll be posting photos of the Dalai Lama's puppy :rofl:

Here, educate yourself:


Has there ever been a political figure more ridiculous than the Dalai Lama? This is the "humble monk" who forswears worldly goods in favour of living a simple life dressed in maroon robes. Yet in 1992 he guest-edited French Vogue, the bible of the decadent high-fashion classes, which is packed with pictures of the half-starved daughters of the aristocracy modelling skirts and shirts that most of us could never afford.

He claims to be the current incarnation of the Tulkus line of Buddhist masters, who are "exempt from the wheel of death and rebirth". Yet he's best known for hanging out with clueless western celebs like Richard Gere and Sharon Stone (who is still most famous for showing her vagina on the big screen). Stone once introduced the Dalai Lama at a glittering fundraising ball as "Mr Please, Please, Please Let Me Back Into China!"

The Dalai Lama says he wants Tibetan autonomy and political independence. Yet he allows himself to be used as a tool by western powers keen to humiliate China. Between the late 1950s and 1974, he is alleged to have received around $15,000 a month, or $180,000 a year, from the CIA. He has also been, according to the same reporter, "remarkably nepotistic", promoting his brothers and their wives to positions of extraordinary power in his fiefdom-in-exile in Dharamsala, northern India.

More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/29/downwiththedalailama

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/5170/


BY CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS | The Dalai Lama has come out in support of the thermonuclear tests recently conducted by the Indian state, and has done so in the very language of the chauvinist parties who now control that state's affairs. The "developed" countries, he says, must realize that India is a major contender and should not concern themselves with its internal affairs. This is a perfectly realpolitik statement, so crass and banal and opportunist that it would not deserve any comment if it came from another source.

http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13news.html




What we don't hear about Tibet

While the world moralises over China's occupation, feudalism and abuse in Tibetan culture has been conveniently forgotten


Sexual abuse in monasteries and oppressive feudalism in traditional Tibetan society has been factored out of the argument against China's occupation, oversimplifying it.

Han Chinese guards deliberately obstruct the pilgrim route through Lhasa to the holy Jokhang temple by sipping tea at strategically placed tables in the middle of the road. In front of the Potala, the Dalai Lama's former seat of power, an imposing guarded concrete square glorifies China's occupation.

Tibet seems like as a celestial paradise held in chains, but the west's tendency to romanticise the country's Buddhist culture has distorted our view. Popular belief is that under the Dalai Lama, Tibetans lived contentedly in a spiritual non-violent culture, uncorrupted by lust or greed: but in reality society was far more brutal than that vision.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/10/tibet-china-feudalism
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:40 PM
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28. Obama to Meet With Dalai Lama After President's China Visit
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 12:43 PM by muriel_volestrangler
President Barack Obama will hold off meeting with the Dalai Lama until after his first visit to China in November, a White House official said.

Obama decided not to meet the Tibetan spiritual leader during the Dalai Lama's trip to Washington in October, said White House adviser Valerie Jarrett. The two will meet in the U.S. capital "after the president's trip to China," she said in an interview with Bloomberg News.
...
Jarrett said in a statement she emphasized Obama's commitment to supporting the Tibetan people and securing their human and civil rights. She also said Obama commended the Dalai Lama for looking for a solution based on autonomy within China.

The Dalai Lama expressed the hope the Tibetans may see progress in the resolution of their differences with China during Obama's presidency, according to the statement.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSg.pjlsQSQk
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:42 PM
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29. What DO you know?! The wsj lies, and the OP swears to it?
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 12:43 PM by babylonsister
:rofl:

That's unconscionable!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 12:46 PM
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30. "The Dalai Lama applauds President Obama's use of cooperation, outreach, and dialogue"
Edited on Sat Sep-19-09 12:47 PM by zulchzulu
Should Obama drop everything for the Dali Lama when he's in town?

What about this article?



Following a visit by President Obama's emissary Valerie Jarrett and State Dept. Under Secretary Maria Otero on Monday, the Dalai Lama applauded the president's use of cooperation, outreach, and dialogue. He encouraged him to continue to approach today's issues in that manner. He also expressed his appreciation for the president's concern for Tibetan issues, as well as his hopefulness that the conflict between Tibet and China will improve during President Obama's term.

http://www.examiner.com/x-14207-Lodi-Spiritual-Living-Examiner~y2009m9d17-The-Dalai-Lama-applauds-President-Obamas-use-of-cooperation-outreach-and-dialogue



Yeah... I get it. Obama hates the Dali Lama.

Go CHENEY YOURSELF.


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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 02:34 PM
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36. bullshit
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-19-09 03:13 PM
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38. I know.. Bullshit! This is the kind of thing we have to put of with
around here..bogus headlines attempting to drag down the President.
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