What to say to Republican "Socialists"

Encountering right wingers out there blah-blahing about Obama/Dems and "socialism"? Look right at them, point at them, and say, "Republicans like you are SOCIALISTS and now I am going to PROVE it to you." (I have done it, and it turns them red and makes them SQUIRM. I love it !):

Now say the following things to them as assertions as I have them written here (or you can put them on the spot and re-phrase them as questions: i.e. "So you want to shut down Medicare, right?" "So you want to shut down the public schools, right?" etc. These are also great points for blogs, forums like this, call-in shows, letters to the editor, email blasts, etc.)

1 - When I ask Republicans on Medicare if they want to shut that down, they shout NO !

2 - When I ask Republicans on Social Security if they want to eliminate it, they shout NO !

3 - When I ask Republicans with children in the public school systems if they want to start paying private school tuition and shut down the public schools (among the MOST "socialist" systems we have), especially the sports programs, they shout NO !

4 - When I ask Republicans eligible for VA hospital care or any other VA benefit to which they may be entitled regardless if they ever heard a shot fired in anger if they want those shut down, they shout NO !

5 - When I ask Republicans if they want their trash pickup, road repairs, sewer systems, snow removal, mail delivery, public parks, public pools, public recreation programs, etc. shut down, they shout NO !

6 - When I ask Republicans with children who receive special education services if they want those programs shut down, they shout NO ! (** There I was a few years ago providing entirely publicly-funded at-home tutoring services for a Republican family's disabled child, who was receiving TONS of other public services as well, and they had the gaul to rib me about my Kerry for President bumper sticker.
I laughed out loud all the way home.)

7 - When I ask Republicans if they want their local public fire departments and police departments shut down, they shout NO !

8 - When I ask Republicans with kids in Headstart or who need to access to unemployment benefits or other public programs when THEY lose their jobs if they want these shut down, they shout NO !

9 - When I ask Republicans who, like the vast majority that join the military, if they joined the service because they wanted a job and wanted college money, etc., if honest, they shout YES ! to that one as the US military, its hospitals, and other services is the MODEL "socialist" jobs and benefits program in America. * Of course, these benefits are the recruiters' selling points.

10) REPUBLICANS WANT HEAVY HANDED GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN OUR PRIVATE LIVES: Republicans want to: take reproductive decisions away from women and doctors; take other medical decisions always from families and doctors (i.e. the Schaivo case); force selected religious doctrines onto everyone; tell individuals who can commit to each other legally and who can't; tell us what books to read, tv shows to watch, music to listen to, etc. and on it goes.

11 - Here is the Bush/Republican record: surplus turned in to massive DEBT; Medicare-D = complicated, donut hole, still 500 billion added to the DEBT; Iraq war DEBT; tax cuts for the rich DEBT; corporate giveaways and no-bid contracts DEBT; warrantless wiretapping, torture, Gitmo, nationbuilding = national disgrace immorality DEBT and monetary DEBT.; corporate deregulation DEBT; Bush/Paulson TARP DEBT; .......

They should be renamed the DEBTpublican Party.

Republicans? "Conservatives"? They "conserve" very little. And "Socialists?" Republicans need to take a good long honest-for-a-change look in the mirror. By their very own definitions and conceptualizations, they are "SOCIALISTS."

I'm adding this list to my other argument I use with right wingers (which is-Read the Bill for Yourself--you don't trust government, why should you believe what anyone says about anything?--Make sure you're not being flim-flammed)

We need to pull them aside, one by one for a cup of coffee and a reality check. Just a friendly little chat.

for their Medicare and Social Security. I have found that it is not possible to have a rational debate about anything political with them without their getting all worked up with red faces and loud voices. Yes, they get their indoctrinations from the Limbaughs and Becks and so they are not good at thinking for themselves. There is no reasoning with them.

all they want about how they "paid into Medicare, SS," . Just say, "No way there pal/gal, you are not going to SNEAK OUT THE BACK DOOR with that. These are GOVERNMENT RUN PUBLIC PROGRAMS. (Just keep saying GOVERNMENT RUN PUBLIC PROGRAMS... over and over and over and THEY ARE SOCIALIST PROGRAMS...) BE CONSISTENT NOW. BE CONSISTENT. You paid not nearly as much as you ultimately get in benefits, and if you are against GOVERNMENT you need to be against these programs and ONLY for PRIVATE health insurance and PRIVATE retirement. Right? C'mon now, right? Be consistent. Be honest now. Admit you are a SOCIALIST! "

I value my relationship with them far more than winning a political point.

It is not my nature. I'll leave it to those who relish it.

taxpayers are paying for your friends' Social Security and Medicare.

It's only recently that the Baby Boomers generation started paying more for Social Security than it cost so that a Trust Fund could be built up for the Baby Boomers' Social Security retirement pay.

But the Republicans wanted tax cuts and they used the Trust Fund to finance the government instead of using their taxes.

Makes these services affordable for all of us, and those cost savings allow our economy to become more dynamic.

For example, without public schools, SS, and medicare, each individual American family would have to pay for schools and care for their elderly parents, items that are extremely expensive. After paying for them, how much would be left over to buy new cars or TVs or clothes or any other consumer item, not much.

We clearly see the effect of paying for healthcare on an individual basis. We see how that's bankrupting us left and right.

money your kids have received in college grants or loans and pay for college completely out of your own pocket?'

Repukes want to control every aspect of your personal life, but don't want to protect you against big business or anyone else with power.

In other words, we want to spy on you, but you don't get any help from anybody when you need it.

:toast:

...over a cut-and-spend-anyway "conservative."

I hope this gets to many of them.