***HEADS UP*** President Obama remarks on Iran nuclear news

VIDEO - http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

What do you think President "Ripper" is going to say?

Brilliant.

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NOW is like putting a finger in their eye.

We want ENDLESS WAR. How else can we justify spending 700+ Billion on our Military Industrial Complex each year?

The Power Elites are leading us "unwashed masses" by the NOSE.

You can send your child to go kill and die for The Oil Wars ... I will NOT! :grr: :nuke:



This is what it's all about:

nuclear materials to terrorists. Iran has a history of giving aid to terrorists.

back to them.

Is it any wonder that most citizens in the WORLD both "loathe and fear" our government?

So, yes, it IS always about the U.S. when we're discussing the U.S. government.

just the upper 1%, the legislators and their corporate war profiteering contractors.

Hell, we're abusing our military but we don't care as long as it isn't OUR CHILD who comes home maimed or home in a box.

How very UN-patriotic.

American Crusade 2001+ ?

Now everyone CHEER while the M$M manufactures consent for both upping troop levels in Afghanistan and the justifications for bombing Iran.

Do you really see the world and international policy through such a simpleton lens?

you question everything you ever BELIEVED about the sanctity of our three branches of government.

I suggest that you rethink this?

We have been compromised.

When Israel is awash in nukes, we should not be surprised that every other nation in the Middle East wants them for a DETERRENT. :shrug:

The evidence seems rather clear.

media went about to manufacture consent for the invasion of Iraq?

You wouldn't accuse me so quickly of being "a simpleton" if, I suggest, that you were NOT taken aback by this deja Vu moment.

YOU KNOW IT ... we will ramp up and eventually bomb Iran ... don't you?

And there's nothing the Average American can do about it UNLESS we rise up in unison and say, "NO!"

This morning, I've lost all hope of PEACE.

We have always been at war with Eurasia yet I still can't say that I love Big Brother.

They just say it's for energy. But they also say the Holocaust didn't happen and that there was no election fraud.

Whereas not even the IAEA found any evidence of any such program in Iraq and we based our presumptions for war on non-existent WMDs and Al Qaeda being in Iraq.

I find your deja vu lacking severely.

in addition to wasted bandwidth with each post.

:rofl:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29527268/

"GENEVA - Iran and the Palestinian militant group Hamas showed their support for Sudan's president Friday, sending top officials to the Sudanese capital and denouncing the international warrant for his arrest on charges of war crimes in Darfur.

Their visit came as the U.N. human rights group warned that Sudan's expulsion of 13 aid organizations from Darfur could also constitute a war crime. Sudan took the step in retaliation after the Netherlands-based International Criminal Court issued a warrant against President Omar al-Bashir on Wednesday.

The expulsion raised fears of a humanitarian crisis in the large, arid western region, where war has been raging for six years. Some 2.7 million people have been forced from their homes, and many rely on aid groups for food, water, shelter and medical care."

No, no nation is innocent. However, we, the USA is the ONLY nation to have used Nuclear Weapons.

We are also THE nation who has INVADED and OCCUPIED two muslim countries in the past decade.

Now we bluster at the UN instead of taking this via diplomatic channels through Russia.

Why is that?

Could it be to ramp up the rhetoric so that our whorish M$M can cheer lead us into ENDLESS WAR?

President Obama flanked by the leaders of Britain and France: Now tell me why the average Middle Eastern citizen should not consider this bluster a continuation of American Crusade 2001+?

Russia??

Really? Did you look into Putin's eyes the way Bush did or are you actively trying to prove just how naive you are?

bluster at the UN.

And Putin hasn't exactly proven himself to be an ally for peace. What on god's green earth makes you believe that Russia would be the most likely candidate to intervene for diplomacy?

"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war. "

No, much smarter people than myself have the skills of diplomacy. However, our President and two leaders from former Empire Building Nations "calling out" Iran today at the UN did NOT serve any true diplomatic purpose.

We, the people, must tell Our President and Legislators that we will NOT tolerate ENDLESS OCCUPATION and BOMBING of other sovereign nations.

Until we speak up to our ruling elites, we will remain "at endless war."

...all the while dropping verbal bombs, not really knowing why you're even doing it. Just want to make sure we're on the same page here.

:(

Unfortunately, neither are a substitute for solid policy and diplomacy is often meaningless without at least the threat of war, especially when it comes down to a clearly irrational leader, as we clearly have in Iran. Until this goes beyond talk and into actual planning, this actually IS part of the diplomatic process.

That's cool. We've INVADED two Middle Eastern Nations and now want to tear ass around in Iran.

Yet, we can rationalize anything because we are the mighty USA.

BTW the real leaders in Iran are not CRAZY or IRRATIONAL. That's a ploy that I remember the power elite using on us about the GOOKS :blush:, I'm sorry, I meant Vietnamese. It falls on deaf ears.

view of our Three Branches of Government. You are not ready to challenge that incongruity.

I understand, nothing that I type will change your entrenched belief system.

Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.

You just scream "Peace" and expect it to happen. You have no idea how that will occur, but you expect it to. That's not policy. That's not even an opinion. It's closer to tourette's than it is to policy. There is nothing serious whatsoever about any of your remarks.

Further, I'm not sure where the "three branches of government" came into this discussion. This has nothing to do with that.

I'll try to be gentle when the time comes for me to type, "I told you so."

Have a good neo-liberal day. :-) :hi:

That we *might* be going to war in Iran? I never said that we weren't - it's definitely a possibility - I just think you're way, way overreacting at this point in time.

But you know what? Keep posting your trading cards of horrific images. Keep screaming "peace" at the top of your lungs. Keep accomplishing absolutely nothing.

Thank-you, I will call for PEACE as long as the government lets me.

I hope you didn't make them.

where all of Bush's imminent bombings of Iran were predicted?

:crazy:

to allowing Israel to do it for us. :wow:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

"The Bombing of Dresden by the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and United States Army Air Force (USAAF) between 13 February and 15 February 1945 remains one of the most controversial Allied actions of the Second World War. In four raids, 1,300 heavy bombers dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city, the Baroque capital of the German state of Saxony. The resulting firestorm destroyed 39 square kilometers (15 sq mi) of the city center, and killed up to 135,000 civilians.<1> Estimates of civilian casualties vary greatly, but recent publications place the figure between 24,000 and 40,000.<2>"

I'm glad Churchill bombed the fuck out of the Nazis. Here is a little bit of Nazi propaganda on Churchill.

within your family to go kill and die for Oil?

Perhaps you won't boast so proud? :eyes:

BTW my father was battlefield commissioned during World War II. He told me that war was truly "hell" and should be avoided given MOST any other alternative.

Most people who've seen the horrors of war, want NONE OF IT save for the sociopaths and the Generals ... and the Corporations who thrive off of all the killing and dying.

Get the fuck over yourself.
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and Marines who have been to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Get the fuck over yourself WARMONGER .... or go enlist today?

Have fun dishonoring the Military you say you served in.

You have NO right to tell me what does or does NOT constitute honoring my country.

I've already PROVED my faith to my beloved nation.

It's MY LOVE of my country and my respect for my belated father's memory that I SPEAK OUT when she is going astray.

Process this civilian: WAR IS TERRORISM and should always be undertaken as A LAST RESORT.

Many PATRIOTIC Americans believed that we should NOT have invaded Iraq. They too were discounted and disparaged by the M$M led herd mentality.

I have every right. My Cousins in Afghanistan, my Father in Vietnam, my Grandfather in WWII, and my ancestors in the revolution and civil war fought to make sure I have that right. I'm just a civilian to you but civilians control the military. You signed up to serve and protect.

As a veteran, I find it inappropriate for someone who has never wore the uniform lecturing me as to how to honor my service IN THE MILITARY. Very inappropriate.

Go on down and enlist if you truly believe that all these low intensity conflicts are HONORING the people of this nation.

I, as an American Citizen and veteran also have the right to say "You're wrong."

You typed "serve and protect" - that's the Police Force ace, not the Officer Corps in the Military.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45870

"Civilian control of the military is so ingrained in America that we hardly give it a second thought. Most Americans don't realize how special this relationship is and how it has contributed to the country.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution worked to ensure the military would be under civilian control. They did not want to emulate the European experience. The colonies had just fought a war for freedom from Britain. The king controlled the British military, and the framers had no interest in duplicating that system.

When they wrote the Constitution they separated the responsibilities for the military, placing the responsibilities firmly in civilian hands.

Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power "to raise and support Armies …" and "to provide and maintain a Navy." In addition, Congress must provide for the state militias when they are called to federal service.

Article II, Section 2 states, "The President shall be the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States when called into the actual Service of the United States."

Congress has the power to declare war and to make the rules for governing the military."

But I knew you'd come back. :evilgrin:

I don't want to watch it or engage in it but I'm amazed by people having a mental train wreck.:evilfrown:

ace :evilgrin:

Sport:evilgrin:

to be wiped off the map.

http://www.rferl.org/content/Article/1062452.html

"Iran: President Says Israel Should Be 'Wiped Off Map'

Prague, 27 October 2005 (RFE/RL) -- Iran’s President Mahmud Ahmadinejad yesterday cited comments by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the founder of the Islamic revolution, when he declared, "As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

Ahmadinejad told an audience of 3,000 students that there was "no doubt the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world."

The remarks were immediately condemned by a number of countries including Israel, which said that Iran should be expelled from the United Nations."

And supporting a holocaust in Darfur.

http://www.ushmm.org/maps/projects/darfur/

"In partnership with Google Earth, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is releasing compelling new visual evidence of the destruction in Darfur.
What’s New?

* New information from the U.S. State Department identifies more than 3,300 Darfur villages as damaged or completely destroyed, twice the number that were confirmed when Crisis in Darfur launched in 2007.
* Additional details about when villages were destroyed. The data now include for most of the villages the exact year or a year range when they were destroyed. This confirms that over 2,000 villages were destroyed by 2005, marking the height of the conflict.
* Hundreds of before and after satellite images. Now you can use Google Earth's historical imagery to see villages before and after they were attacked and destroyed.
* Coming soon: narrated flyover tour and a map of destroyed villages by year."



Have fun with that.

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But she has been doing this for a long time.

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suicide or something. Apparently we aren't allowed to speak out about or defend ourselves from anything anymore, just because of what Bush/Cheney did. We're supposed to paint huge targets on our chests and tape our mouths shut. I guess they think that's all we deserve.

No one is more paranoid then me about the possibility of another war in the Middle East and I have witnesses to prove it. My own post and my own journal proves it.

President Obama may not be the perfect progressive dream. But he is neither insane or evil.

The consequence of war with Iran would be so severe, there is no way he is going to easily be led into a a devastating war that would almost certainly wreck the American economy and plunge America and the world into a catastrophic depression and likely trigger a broad regional and intractable conflict.

Any attack would mean that Iran would retaliate against the U.S. presence in the Gulf. For the U.S. to continue such an attack and to make the attack at least technically successful, this would require forcing the Gulf states into granting rights to air space and facilities. Thus making the Gulf states and their oil fields, refineries, infrastructure and transport network targets of devastating Iranian retaliation. Although Iran does not have particularly sophisticated weaponry, they do have a vast array of relatively unsophisticated medium range missiles positioned in hostile and unapproachable terrain and quite capable of causing enormous and crippling damage very rapidly and choking off the Straits of Hormuz.

Even more importantly, any attack by either the United States or Israel on Iran would have a catastrophic effect on the world's oil supply thus sending oil prices into the stratosphere way beyond anything currently imaginable thus making the current global economic collapse lead inevitably into a massive worldwide depression of catastrophic proportions.

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"I think of war with Iran as the ending of America's present role in the world. Iraq may have been a preview of that, but it's still redeemable if we get out fast. In a war with Iran, we'll get dragged down for 20 or 30 years. The world will condemn us. We will lose our position in the world."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Vanity Fair, 2006.

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Furthermore President Obama is not going to simply ignore his own intelligence agencies. That is NOT going to happen:

.. this is INSANITY in motion. How come when a country drops the U.S. dollar for oil trade, suddenly Bin Laden or WMD's show up? Panic... Yellow Cake from Niger..

Obama should instead be declaring war against the Federal Reserve.. who refuse to let inspectors in.

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This stalemate with Iran has been going on for decades. I'm sorry, but I just don't see our President taking us into a world war. Are you as angst ridden about all the other nuclear arms holders in the world? Who has used one of these weapons, except us?

during the early stages before the MASSIVE run-up to the invasion of Iraq.

Keep the people afraid and we will tell our beloved "Daddy" leaders to please keep us safe.

They will whisper that the only way to keep us safe is to bomb Iran.

Wait for it? We will be in endless war until we kill off our entire species ... in the not too distant future.

I'm depressed. I give up trying to convince you. Time to work locally because our fate is sealed by people we can't influence UNLESS we organize.

Good luck and may God have mercy on our warmongering souls. :(

Mankind has been in endless wars since the species appeared on the planet. Give this new group of people a chance to try at least. Not every person in power is a Cheny or *.

for endless warmongering will be our demise. All that will soon be left are the cockroaches.

We often use our intelligence for sinister purposes.

EVOLUTION does not always favor intelligence.

If we wish to SURVIVE as a species we must embrace our common HUMANITY and find PEACEFUL ways to resolve conflicts.

At the 100,000 year mark, most species either evolve or die.

It's up to us, the human race - do we choose survival or a war to extinction?

Or that we don't deserve to protect ourselves after Bush/Cheney.

...adding more nukes doens't help.

But I am loathe to see a war started over this.

But this notion that President Obama is part of the Bush-corporate warmachine is as despicable as it is unfounded.

but until we are down to say 5 on hand, I do not think we need to be telling sovereign nations what to do. We keep helping India build more nuke plants, and for what? electricity?? I am sure that is all they are being built for....:eyes:

reality.

The only thing that will satisfy you and your constant claim that everything is propaganda is someone actually using a nuclear weapon.

...we should leave them alone

...dunk" and told us that Russia was a threat when it wasn't.

Again, you lose the benefit of the doubt when you're wrong so many times no?

We should check and double check and triple check ANYTHING coming from these agencies not just go along with who THEY say is a threat any longer.

IGNORING their sordid past when it comes to war or "influence" in a region isn't objective.

Also, Iran is NOT saying they don't want inspections just that the inspections be no more intrusive than any other nation.

already. You're assuming that everything that went wrong under Bush will go wrong under Obama. That is totally illogical.

...around 200,000 people who worked for our intel agencies and replace them with people he or his admin approved of...that didn't happen so MOST of the same people who were there when Bush ran things are there now.

If I were Iran why in the world would I assume Obama was a total 180deg different from Bush when it comes to the relationship with them?

Because the rest of the planet loves him?!

I don't care who is leading, we should be even handed with inspections and we should be even handed in expectations when it comes to Iran....overthrowing their government a couple of generations ago didn't help with the trust thing

"blessed" leaders are TELLING US at this time.

The folks who only talk about corporate overlords and that kind of stupidity are sillier and more worthless than the protestors at the G whatever. And haven't THEY accomplished a lot? :rofl:

As far as I am concerned, the US does not have the right to dictate who can and can not have nukes. All the countries the US likes, seems to have nukes, how ironic.

The US has detonated 300+ nukes since the 60s and used 2 on another country.

...with the UN inspections outlined for every other nation not the same intrusive inspections applied to Saddam before the Iraq war.