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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:34 PM
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Marc Lynch - FP - Why President Obama Disclosed Iran's Nuclear Facility Ahead of Talks
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 01:36 PM by TomCADem
Here is a great analysis of the diplomacy behind the disclosure:

http://lynch.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/09/25/the_iran_nuclear_revelation

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It also demonstrates to the Iranians the quality of Western intelligence and the difficulty of deception and denial -- especially in the atmosphere of (quite warranted) mistrust of their intentions. That may reduce their reasons to oppose the intrusive inspections and monitoring regime which Gary Sick argues is the most likely reasonable negotiated outcome. Such an outcome would be far more in the interests of the U.S., Iran, and Iran's neighbors than any plausible outcome of a military strike, and has to be the target of the engagement process.

So despite what I expect to see swarming the media in the next few days -- wanna bet that John Bolton or John Bolton-equivalent oped is already in production over at the Washington Times/ Washington Post (sorry, it's hard to tell the difference on foreign policy issues sometimes) -- I actually think that this public revelation makes war less rather than more likely. The timing of the announcement, immediately following the consultations at the UN and the G-20 and just before the Geneva meetings, makes it seem extremely likely that the Obama administration has been waiting for just the right moment to play this card. Now they have. It strengthens the P5+1 bargaining position ahead of October 1, changes Iranian calculations, and lays the foundations for a more serious kind of engagement. So now let's see how it changes the game.

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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:50 PM
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1. But, but but DUers are telling me that Obama is beating the drums of war!
:rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:54 PM
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10. Poor things can't recognize
strategy when they see it.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:50 PM
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2. Thank you for posting this
all the handing wrining by some that this the beginning of some Bush like plan to invade Iran is just stupid.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:53 PM
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3. All the "Obama is evil" posts are just freakin hilarious, aren't they?
Apparently we have no right to discuss security matters anymore since Bush was president. :eyes:
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 05:04 PM
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8. Yeah too many have boy who cried wolf syndrome
I don't they gotten the idea that Obama is not Bush.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 01:00 PM
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13. Precisely. The World did not become a safer place
when bushcheney got through breeding more terrorists because they bombed Iraq.

Now, PO has to come along and use his mad skills to get us out of jeopardy.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:56 PM
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12. Yeah, what's
new?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 01:57 PM
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4. it was also done to show that Russia and China are on board with
a united front
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:03 PM
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5. I thought that....
the Iranians found out we knew so they informed the IAEA so Obama outed them. i think either Russia or China (who we just informed of the new Iranian plant) told Iran.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 02:18 PM
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6. I'm a little confused as to how a site disclosed to the IAEA by Iran on Monday
is somehow a "find" by the USA, GB, or Fr? WTF kind of spin is this crap?
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-25-09 03:04 PM
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7. It's like confessing to something before the story breaks
Edited on Fri Sep-25-09 03:05 PM by SpartanDem
they still got caught lying


We've known for some time" about the Iranian facility, said a U.S. official briefing reporters at the G20 Economic Summit in Pittsburgh. And other officials said President Obama was first informed of the facility after his election last year.

To beat the U.S., Britain and France to the punch, Iran on Monday informed the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) about the nuclear facility. That was three days before the allies presented the United Nations watchdog group with its intelligence.

"It's very clear the Iran letter (to the IAEA) is too little, too late," said a U.S. official. It'll be difficult for Iran to "mount a defense" of its efforts to avoid exposure of its nuclear fuel processing facility.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/politics/politicalhotsheet/main503544.shtml
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 05:01 PM
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9. Also, Iran's "Disclosure" Was Long After The Program Began...
...and just prior to the upcoming talks when the U.S. My take is that Iran decided to fess up, rather than denying the existence of the plant, in order to preserve the upcoming talks or they would have ended before they began if Iran did not even acknowledge the facility.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 01:30 PM
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15. Very good sign and evidently
a hard secret to keep.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 01:03 PM
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14. Yeah, think Senator John Ensign coming out with his confession
of his affaire before he was busted by other sources.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:36 AM
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16. +1
The story is just neo-con bullshit and lies.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 01:18 PM
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21. It's neo-con bullshit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-27-09 12:55 PM
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11. So, Mark Lynch gets it!
"So despite what I expect to see swarming the media in the next few days -- wanna bet that John Bolton or John Bolton-equivalent oped is already in production over at the Washington Times/ Washington Post (sorry, it's hard to tell the difference on foreign policy issues sometimes) --"
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:39 AM
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17. What a big pile of neo-con bullshit you keep posting!
Typical neo-cons strategy. Repeat a lie one thousand times until people can't tell truth from fiction.
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hokies Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 08:51 AM
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18. He disclosed it because Iran sent a letter to the IAEA
telling them about this facility. This is beyond obvious. Iran somehow found out that we had intelligence on their nuclear facility and knew about it, so Iran sent a letter to the IAEA to tell them about the facility to try to act as if they were being upfront and honest. Obama had to act quickly to make sure that Iran would be viewed as hiding the facility instead of disclosing the facility to the IAEA.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:02 AM
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19. Smells like neo-con bullshit
"Iran somehow found out that we had intelligence on their nuclear facility and knew about it, so Iran sent a letter to the IAEA to tell them about the facility to try to act as if they were being upfront and honest." So how did Iran find that out? That's total neo-con bullshit. Neo-cons are trying to create an issue to justify bombing the country.
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hokies Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 10:22 AM
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20. Well, why did Iran just now decide to tell the IAEA about this nuclear facility?
You seem misinformed because this is not neo-con BS. However, to put your mind at ease, military strikes are very unlikely, mostly because they have little chance to succeed. Israel bombed Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor that he bought from France in the 1980s. Iran learned from that experience which is why this nuclear facility is underground with tons of concrete on top of it to protect it from a conventional strike. The ironic thing is that the only sure way to destroy an underground nuclear facility protected with enough concrete is to use a low-yield nuclear bomb, something which Obama is clearly not going to do. :hi:
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 01:34 PM
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22. Iran revealed this facility well in advance of when they are required to do so. Neo-cons are trying
to invent controversy where none exists.
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