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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:04 PM
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Iran to allow IAEA visit nuclear site
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 01:07 PM by Peacetrain
Bingo... we got 'em




TEHRAN, Iran – Iran will allow the U.N. nuclear agency to inspect a newly revealed and still unfinished uranium enrichment facility, the country's nuclear chief told state television Saturday.

Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi didn't specify when inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency could visit the site, but said it has to be worked out with the agency under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty rules.

Iran's newly revealed enrichment site is said to be in the arid mountains near the holy city of Qom, inside a heavily guarded, underground facility belonging to the elite Revolutionary Guard.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090926/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_nuclear


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This is how you do it..


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090926/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_iran


WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is offering Iran "a serious, meaningful dialogue" over its disputed nuclear program, while warning Tehran of grave consequences from a united global front.

"Iran's leaders must now choose — they can live up to their responsibilities and achieve integration with the community of nations. Or they will face increased pressure and isolation, and deny opportunity to their own people," Obama said in his radio and Internet address Saturday.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:05 PM
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1. Yep, Obama did.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:06 PM
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2. Yes he did, without all the huffing and puffing..
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:07 PM
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3. After a few weeks (or months) of stalling to allow the questionable items to be removed.
We got 'em. Sure.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:09 PM
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4. Okay,, and your solution is?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:13 PM
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5. For one thing intelligence agencies have already penetrated the facility

That facility, along with the others in Iran are under constant satellite surveillance.


More to the point radioactive processing equipment cannot simply be packed up and moved around. These are not mobile facilities.


The allies know exactly what is going on in that facility with or without the inspections.


The President is offering a reasonable way out for the Iranians, and extreme sanctions if they do not.


The likelihood of positive outcome has increased significantly with the addition of the Russian voice on the matter.


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:31 PM
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7. Yes, that was the key (Russia)
If they have known of the plant for several months, then that means it has been under enormous, intense scrutiny.
They would not have shirked on watching anything nuclear.

They were probably aware of the 6 month before start-up notification.
There may also have been some gamesmanship to see what Iran would do.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 01:28 PM
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6. What questionable items?
From a plant that has not started up?

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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:22 PM
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14. +1
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:11 PM
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9. Weeks and months of stalling? Do you even know what you're talking about?
Edited on Sat Sep-26-09 03:12 PM by Phx_Dem
We (U.S. Intel) have known about this for YEARS. It happened on Bush's watch and do you recall him doing anything about it in those YEARS?

Obama found out about it when he started receiving intelligence briefings, and he started planning his strategy months ago. He had to wait until the right time -- when they would have some leverage to force Iran's hand. Tuesday, they got their leverage.

PITTSBURGH — On Tuesday evening in New York, top officials of the world nuclear watchdog agency approached two of President Obama’s senior advisers to deliver the news: Iran had just sent a cryptic letter describing a small “pilot” nuclear facility that the country had never before declared.

The Americans were surprised by the letter, but they were angry about what it did not say. American intelligence had come across the hidden tunnel complex years earlier, and the advisers believed the situation was far more ominous than the Iranians were letting on.

That night, huddled in a hotel room in the Waldorf-Astoria until well into the early hours, five of Mr. Obama’s closest national security advisers, in New York for the administration’s first United Nations General Assembly, went back and forth on what they would advise their boss when they took him the news in the morning. A few hours later, in a different hotel room, they met with Mr. Obama and his senior national security adviser, Gen. James L. Jones, to talk strategy.

The White House essentially decided to outflank the Iranians, to present to their allies and the public what they believed was powerful evidence that there was more to the Iranian site than just some pilot program. They saw it as a chance to use this evidence to persuade other countries to support the case for stronger sanctions by showing that the Iranians were still working on a secret nuclear plan.


<SNIP>

A second senior official said: “Everybody’s been asking, ‘Where’s our leverage?’ Well, now we just got that leverage.”

Administration officials said that Mr. Obama had two goals in going public: to directly confront Iran with the evidence, and to persuade wavering nations to take a hard line on Iran.

In fact, the makings of the administration’s strategy was hatched months before, when the White House first came to believe that the complex, built into a mountain on property near Qum controlled by Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guards, might be a part of the nuclear program. Over time, the file that intelligence officials accumulated on the facility developed as a cudgel, a way to win over wary allies and test if the Iranians were being truthful in their disclosures.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/26/world/middleeast/26intel.html?_r=1&hp

A significant question in my mind -- which we'll probably never get the answer to -- is how did the administration find out about Iran's letter? No one knows, and anyone who does know isn't talking. Amazing how intelligence has improved so vastly since Barack Obama became president, isn't it?

And here's something else for Dick Cheney to suck on. Obama thwarted his 911 attack -- the one the Denver/NY terrorists were planning on the anniversary of 911. Bush/Cheney recieved a fucking report warning of their 911 two weeks before it happened and they had intelligence telling them Al Quada operatives were in the U.S. and training to fly airliners, and they ignored it. I can't say this enough . . . Fuck you Dick Cheney, you made us less safe.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 03:38 PM
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10. Thanks for that
link, Phx!
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 04:36 PM
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11. ...
:fistbump:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 06:33 PM
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12. More to refute your inaccurate and uninformed remark about stalling . . .
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/76091.html

The revelation Friday that Iran has a secret nuclear facility capped a calculated effort by Obama to build pressure against Iran days before a multinational confrontation over its nuclear plans on Thursday in Geneva, Switzerland.

For weeks, Obama played a form of international chess to build a unified multi-national front against Iran while preserving the option to talk and negotiate. He abandoned plans for a ballistic missile defense in Europe, apparently in part to win Russian cooperation, slapped tariffs on Chinese tires, arguably to prod them along, then huddled with their leaders and finally rolled out the news that he'd held close to the vest for months — that Iran has a secret uranium enrichment plant.

"This is a very clever way of doing it," said Fariborz Ghadar, a professor at Penn State University and Iran scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

"We've been taking baby steps. Now we have the Oct. 1 meeting coming up and we have an ace in the hole, knowing that these guys have been cheating again. He played the cheating card. They're making Iran look really bad."

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 06:35 PM
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13. Actually, they watched questionable items being moved IN
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33029659/ns/world_news-the_new_york_times//

Spying on the covert site
Mr. Obama was first told about the existence of the covert site during his transition period in late 2008, White House officials said, after he had been elected but before he was inaugurated. But it was not until earlier this year that American spy agencies detected the movement of sensitive equipment into the facility — a sign, they believed, that whatever work was involved was nearing its final stages.

You assumed wrong!!!!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 07:46 PM
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15. Now that you've been thoroughly refuted, I hope you'll have to guts to apologize?
Just goes to show that irrational knee jerk stupdity is not only the province of the rightwing wackos, but a fair number on the left as well.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 08:16 PM
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16. I believe the internet term for your new condition is "pwnt"
Take your fearmongering bullshit somewhere else.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-26-09 02:50 PM
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8. See, George. That wasn't so hard after all. You just have
to know what the fuck you're doing!

And what say you now, Dick Cheney? In 8 years all you accomplished with respect to Iran and NoKo was to stand around screaming that the sky was falling while they restarted their Nuke programs. You're a fool.

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