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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:46 AM
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Capitol Hill Personalities Play A Key Role In How Health Bills Are Taking Shape
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Last Finance Hurdle: How To Pay For Overhaul

A final hurdle, how to pay for the health overhaul bill, remains, Bloomberg reports. The remaining items for the Senate Finance Committee are whether "to increase taxes on the most-expensive insurance plans, impose new fees on health-related industries, and limit the tax benefits of flexible savings accounts" (Donmoyer and Rowley, 10/1).

The New York Time on Baucus continuing to consider affordability changes: "In a push to lock down votes, Senator Max Baucus, the Montana Democrat and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, is pulling together a last-minute package of changes to his health care legislation aimed at addressing the chief concern among his fellow Democrats: that health insurance be made as affordable as possible for moderate-income Americans." The changes include Cantwell's plan, a proposal by Snowe to phase in the penalty for not obtaining coverage and allowing exemptions for the penalty if it would be more than 7 percent of income instead of the bill's mark of 10 percent (Herszenhorn, 9/30).

In the meantime, Baucus and other Democrats are seeking "to shield even more retirees and union workers from a tax on the most expensive health-care plans," Bloomberg reports separately. Baucus's original proposal included a 35 percent tax on plans worth more than $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for families. He's suggested increasing both the percentage tax and the threshold in hopes of protecting some lower-income workers and retirees. Sens. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., and John Kerry, D-Mass., has said his plans would hurt too many "ordinary people" and "high-risk" workers, such as coal miners (Gaouette and Donmoyer, 9/30).


Capitol Hill Personalities Play A Key Role In How Health Bills Are Taking Shape

A number of news organizations are detailing the conflicts and positions of certain lawmakers in the ongoing health overhaul effort.

Senators' egos are part of the mix, Roll Call reports: "Newly minted Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Chairman Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) is poised to assert himself in the health care debate and work aggressively to protect liberal reform goals, setting up a possible Senate showdown with Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and leading moderate Democrats. Harkin and Baucus have a history of collaborating on legislation, particularly on the Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee, where they both sit. But the duo has also clashed since Baucus often pushes a centrist agenda while Harkin advocates liberal priorities"(Drucker, 10/1).

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Sen. John Kerry, a Finance Committee member, is asserting his power now that he's the senior senator from Massachusetts after the death of Sen. Edward Kennedy, who is "involved in just about every policy initiative," The Washington Post reports. Kerry "is spending grueling hours in the Finance Committee to mark up a health-care reform bill," according to the Post, which has a video interview with him. (10/1).

Meanwhile, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid are working separately, Roll Call reports in a second story: "Both Reid and Pelosi appear to be banking on President Barack Obama to bring them back together as they hunker down to secure even bare majorities in their respective chambers for health care reform. … Though Reid and Pelosi talk frequently during the week and meet at least once a week, the disconnect between them has been evident recently in the public comments each has made about what they would accept from the other chamber, as well as in their maneuvering behind the scenes" (Pierce and Newmyer, 10/1).

NBC News profiled doctor and Rep. Steve Kagen, D-Wisc., who is pushing the public option after practicing medicine for 33 years. "He stressed three 'critical, essential elements' that he believes need to be in the legislation passed by Congress. One, he suggests there needs to be 'no discrimination against anyone due to a pre-existing condition.' Two, that there is 'complete transparency' by insurance companies, particularly regarding prices. And, three, that a 'standard health-benefit plan' is established for all citizens" (Price, 9/30).


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:04 AM
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1. No comment? n/t
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:12 AM
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2. Sounds like there is an absence of leadership at the top.
From the White House.

All these people are flailing about on their own.

Recipe for a fiasco.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:19 AM
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3. Actually, the President shouldn't get involved in committee wranglings
Four of the five committees, 80 percent, have produce bills that meet his goals.

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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:32 PM
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7. But this last one is another story altogether.
NT.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:13 PM
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5. "flailing about on thier own"???
Maybe you can describe in your own words the flailing that Kerry or Harkin are doing, just to name two?
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:34 PM
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8. There seems to be no real coordination of Dem efforts.
Where is this all heading?

No one can say...
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 01:44 PM
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10. WE can't say
but we are privy only to very limited information. I am sure there is coordination among those pushing in the same direction. Think of the public option amendments offered by Rockefeller and Schumer in the finance committee, 3 versions (actually only 2 were offered, I guess the 3rd was saved for later), going from very strong to kind of weak. DO you think they did not coordinate their efforts? Unfortunately Baucus and Conrad are also superbly coordinated, they have each other's back with arguments, etc all the time, they work like a perfectly oiled tandem. You may not agree with what they are doing, but coordinated they certainly are.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:23 AM
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11. What you describe is inter-party factionalism.
Not coordination of the party's actions and message to a common goal.

This looks very bad to the public, has attracted widespread disgust and derision, and will likely end in a very watered-down bill AT BEST, and a terrible one at worst.

OR we could be headed to stalemate, a wide perception of failure, and loss of majorities (which may also be the result if a bad bill passes).
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:21 AM
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4. We need Harkin and Kerry on this, it is a good thing.
Baucus needs another Senator to call him out.

And I agree with you Pro Sense, the President does not have to interfere on what different committees do.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:18 PM
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6. Baucus was called out quite forcefully in committee
by Rockefeller. Very strong words (that I do not remember, sorry), and very obviously displeased. But Rockefeller, wonderful as he has been on the health care issue, is not a strong speaker nor a great wordsmith, so I guess that what he says may have an impact in the closed clique that is the Senate and where he is a senior and major player, but not so much on the outside.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 12:41 PM
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9. Yes, I forgot about that. Rockefeller went up in my eyes after he did that.
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