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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:54 AM
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Rockefeller: "The president wants [a public option] he told me personally."
Jay Rockefeller on the Public Option: 'I Will Not Relent'

Jay Rockefeller has waited a long time for this moment. Since 1964, to be exact. So he was unabashedly emotional as the Senate Finance Committee neared completion of its work on health reform. "I feel the way I feel and I am who I am," the West Virginia Democrat said at the end of a teary, post-midnight monologue about his work as a VISTA volunteer 45 years ago.

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President Obama often says a public option is needed to drive down costs and keep insurance companies honest. To Rockefeller, it's both more basic and more vital: The federal government is the only institution people can count on in times of need. To conservatives, that same government is inefficient, intrusive and, in Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley's words, "a predator" in the market. The coming clash promises to be a defining moment, for Rockefeller, Obama and both political parties.

The Senate Finance Committee is expected to approve its bill this week, and it will not have a public option. Rockefeller's version lost 15-8, and a variation from New York Sen. Charles Schumer lost 13-10. The heated committee debate previewed what will be a similar but higher-profile debate on the floor.
Will the end result be the same? Rockefeller sees these reasons for hope:
- Four other House and Senate committees produced health bills that have a public option.

- A Finance Committee member came up to him after the public option vote, "somebody who had not necessarily voted for it," and told him to stick with it because "it could work out well in the end."

-The Senate is fluid. Tweaks may draw new support for a public option. Some people may agree to vote to shut off a filibuster, which takes 60 votes, even if they oppose a public option or a bill that includes it. "People make speeches in July or August, 'this is my line in the sand,' and then life gets to be a little bit more realistic. People can change. Pressure is brought to bear. The president enters the situation."

-"The president wants it, he told me personally. I think he will work very hard for it." When the House and Senate are ready to reconcile differences in their bills, "you may have that conference in the Cabinet Room at the White House. The White -House is going to be very, very much involved in that."


- Other alternatives are weak, and the Senate floor is a good place to expose their weaknesses.

more...
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/10/04/jay-rockefeller-s-health-care-moment-45-years-in-the-making/
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 09:55 AM
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1. But not enough to do anything about it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:02 AM
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3. You are ignoring that members of Congress are voting - and here, he is speaking to one directly
Obama has had MANY public comments on healthcare and has said he is for the public option. He is clearly trying to get A bill out of Finance and then he will do what he can to influence the bill on the floor of the Senate.

Rockefeller's words are encouraging.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:07 AM
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4. You are also ignoring
the past several months.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:11 AM
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6. Are you a terrier? Or a toy poodle?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:06 PM
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28. When the President gets a Public Option passed are you going to return
and apologize to everyone you have insulted?


4 out of the five reported bills have the public option.


55 Senators have already announced support for it.


Not a single Democrat has announced that they will join a vote to stop cloture.


The final negotiations always involve arm twisting and deals by the President but you don't bring in the heavy artillery until you have to, or you end up wasting a lot of ammunition.


This may be your first rodeo bucko but its not the President's.


The fact is that the President has passed every important piece of legislation he has sent to the Hill, he just doesn't grandstand in getting it done.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:15 PM
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30. I'll post a basic-global mea culpa, at the same time taking credit for said public option.
The one that most certainly would not be there 'cept for myself and my minions keeping the corporatists' feet to the fire.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:34 PM
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32. well then your "global mea culpa" will be as worthless to the DUer that
you just called a "lap dog" as the opinions that you put forth.


And now smashing down really really really hard on your key board in your basement does not count for "putting feet to the fire".


Your little key smashing had nothing to do with getting the public option in 4 out of the 5 bills in congress, it will have nothing to do with getting it in conference committee, nothing to do with holding caucus discipline in the Senate and nothing to do with getting a final bill passed.


Your delusions of your own importance are as great as your attempt to be clever was flaccid (" Are you a terrier? Or a toy poodle?).


Resulting to insult in the absence of a cogent argument, relevant fact or an intelligent observation is simply the sign of intelligence that has atrophied, not intelligence itself.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:41 PM
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34. My delusions???? LOL This is a fuckin' "chat board" it's "importance" is nil!!!
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 12:48 PM by MNDemNY
Sorry, you slow sort, I should have added this to that post.:sarcasm: WOW . Talk about a self important ninnie. I pose the same query to you...Poodle or terrier? Now, cry to the mods as, you always do.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:58 PM
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36. I never cry to the mods when people are engaging in petty insults.

I prefer to open the festering sore and expose it.


"Chat board" lol


You don't chat - devoid of intelligent point of view you simply continue to throw insults, but you missed my basic point:


1) Not only do you not engage in meaningful discussion and,
2) Not only do you have an inflated sense of your own self importance but,
3) Your insults lack any cleverness or originality, you take the same flaccid insult and simply repeat it again. Really is that your contribution to the discussion to simply go around to people you disagree with and ask what kind of a lap dog that person is?
Is that really the limit of your contribution?

It would seem so.

BTW your reply contains 4 grammatical mistakes prior to any editing you make. I am not a grammatical nanny but your sentences are barely coherent.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:59 PM
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 03:16 PM
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41. Typically you avoid the substantive issues and are left with crude vulgarity.

You are boring repetitive and add nothing to the discussion but can only insult the people you disagree with.

Vulgar insults are the last refuge of a lost position, the emotionally handicapped and habitually irrelevent.

It is a position that you frequently occupy.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:59 PM
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47. Again, wipe your chin.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:25 PM
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44. Yippy Kay Yay Cowboy!!!!
This may be your first rodeo bucko but its not the President's.

HA HAAAAAAAAAA!!! That was funny!

I think I just found my new sig line!!! lol

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:12 AM
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9. Are you a terrier? Or a toy poodle?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:11 AM
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7. Yeah, he should take the blue dogs and choke the snot out of em hunh? :rolleyes:
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 02:11 PM
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40. you don't really know what Obama is doing, do ya?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:39 PM
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45. Ah, two cents from the "I have a crystal ball and know
everything..therefore I spout just like a know it all" faction.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:02 AM
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2. How's about he tells all of us that too?
Geez, this stealth support thing sucks.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:12 AM
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8. What were you doing the thousands of times he has publically said he wants it?
Probably holding your hands over your ears and going "na na na na na I can't hear you na na" or something like that, right?
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:37 AM
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23. yeah, like during his big speach where he chocked on the words
and tacked them onto the end like an afterthought.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:38 AM
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24. LOL, now you are just making shit up. Desperation is an amusing thing.
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 11:39 AM by phleshdef
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:58 AM
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27. Laugh away.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:12 PM
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29. Oh I will. Mainly because I regard any notion that you sincerely care about reform to be a joke.
Its obvious from your posting patterns that you have an agenda to create doubt and spread cynical sentiment. Consider yourself called out.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:18 PM
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31. Your comment shows how little you actually know and are willing
to show the world that fact.

Have a good day. I tire of your kind of posts.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:19 AM
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11. Did you watch his speech to the joint session a couple of weeks ago?
He clearly stated that an OP should be part of reform. Or did I just dream that?
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:17 AM
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17. It's a "chess" game, donchyano.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:26 AM
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21. One where you and the person you are responding to haven't paid a lick of attention, apparently.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:09 AM
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5. I think Rockefeller IS for public option, but, I also think his unusually dramatic statements have
been calculated to set up a political goodwill buffer on the left for him when Senate Climate Bill debate becomes the next big battlefield.

Rockefeller will be the Dem leading the defense of coal industry the way Baucus has been leading the defense of insurance industry.

This could possibly be just my cynicism talking....but, I doubt it.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:17 AM
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10. You're right....
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 10:18 AM by Clio the Leo
.... you're being too cynical. ;)

In order for that idea to work, we have to presume his story about Eddie is BS. It could just be my optimistic nature talking, but I doubt it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:18 AM
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18. Like I said, not doubting his commitment to public option...it's the unusualness of his
public statements and how often he is finding a camera to make them.

His story about Eddie doesn't have to be BS, nor his commitment. The VOLUME of his POV is unusual.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:26 AM
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20. But we are in unusual times.....
.... and despite his, as you say, louder than usual tone, some still aren't getting it ... as evidenced by some of the other replies in this thread.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:22 AM
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12. K&R. No matter how often we hear this message, some people choose to ignore it and
claim he doesn't want a public option or doesn't care.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:30 AM
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14. point that out and they cry "DLC!!1!!! " or "PAID POSTER!!1!!1!!" or "POM POMS11!!1!11"
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 10:30 AM by dionysus
:rofl:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:34 AM
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16. Just imagine how hard it was for me to type and drink Kool Aid at the same time. NT
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:22 AM
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19. Yup-or "WORSHIPPER!!11!!" or "BLIND FOLLOWER!!!11!11"
:rofl:
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:34 PM
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33. No, the claim is that he's DOING nothing to advance it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:51 PM
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39. Well, that claim is false.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:20 PM
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43. Exactly...
.... the problem is NOT that he's doing "nothing to advance it" he's not doing it in the way some would like. But this is one of those times I'm gonna presume that former Senators Obama and Biden are doing what they need to do to get their agenda through Congress.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:57 PM
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46. Well, that is your Obama skewed opinion.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:28 AM
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13. The threat of public option
Aparantly has some Health insurers reducing their rates... I came across this this Weekend in an arguement on the subject. I was using the calculator from the Kaiser family foundation and my nemesis introduced the ehealthinsurance website.

I used ehealthinsurance.com two years ago and could not find any policy I could afford for myself. this time around though, it would appear the prices for the cost of same policies have been cut in half or more. to be less than what all of the public options were.

so do not be suprised when the republicans discover this and use it to argue against a Public option.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:32 AM
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15. Re-enrolling in health insurance was A LOT different for me this year....
.... for starters, I didn't have to re-enroll, it happened automatically.

Also, I've been given the ability to reduce my weekly contributions.

And it's not even October 15th yet.

(and LOL @ "my nemisis.")
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:33 AM
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22. These are the negotiations that need to be televised. Keep those Conservadems' feet to the fire!
Edited on Mon Oct-05-09 11:33 AM by flpoljunkie
Or, better yet--don't pick them to be on the conference committee to reconcile the House and Senate health care bills!
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rmp yellow Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:39 AM
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25. Does the "trigger" qualify as a public option?
Who knows.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:43 PM
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35. Not to me.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:42 AM
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26. "How Not to Get Invited to Further Private Chats with Presidents," lesson one.
Seriously, after a certain point we have to assume that the White House really wants this info to leak out--without giving blatant fodder to the TV/radio shouters.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:49 PM
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38. This thread is ten times cooler because of the responses (which is the real entertainment).
There are some here who are as delusional as the fringe right----"Oh why can't Obama say it publicly?" Obviously my response will always be, and on which planet were you habitating when Obama made his 100 Health refom speeches and statements in which he advocated and stated he wanted a PO.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:10 PM
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42. Yep. ;-) NT
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