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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:43 PM
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Ex. Republican Gov. says Bush vulnerable. Surprised Bush is ahead.
Ex. Gov. Gary Johnson said on local radio yesterday Bush was very vulnerable because of Iraq and the Economy only being average. Johnson said the environment is ripe for Bush to loose but Kerry has run a poor campaign so far.

In my opinion if Kerry does well in the debates with 60% of voters tuned in I think that will be enough to make the difference. Zogby said his internals are saying the same thing as Johnson was saying. The public is ready to dump Bush but they want to make sure Kerry is not worse. If it's a tie or Bush wins the debates Bush will probably win. I do think Kerry has to out do Bush in the debates but only slightly. The problems in Iraq will be enough to do Bush in and the economy does not help or hurt Bush at this point. That is unless 300,000 new jobs are created this month. That might be just enough steam to get Bush through.

During the Carter Reagan election Carter tried to paint Reagan as a nut case warmonger and it was hurting Reagan in the polls but when the country tuned into the debates they decided that Reagan was not what the Carter campaign had painted him to be. They determined Reagan was level headed and a nice guy. Reagan won because the Economy was in poor shape and he appeared no worse or perhaps better than Carter. Kerry simply has to accomplish just what Reagan did. Show the public he is closer to the middle than the Bush campaign has made him look. If Kerry can do this and come across as level headed it's Kerry's to loose.


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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:45 PM
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1. I think that is probably correct
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 07:45 PM by WI_DEM
hard to believe after four years of Bush people could even think that Kerry could be worse, but it's true, people want to make a change but want to make sure that Kerry is the one to change to. If he can accomplish this during the remainder of campaign and debates he will win. If not, Bush probably will.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:46 PM
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2. This election is Kerry's to loose Period
But the fact that yuo have a former GOP GOvernor saying this, it is amazingly good news
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:48 PM
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3. Gary Johnson is more of an Independent. He is for legalizing drugs
and is somewhat liberal on social issues. I don't think he has any need to show loyalty to Bush. While registered as a Republican he is really an Independent at heart.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:50 PM
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4. No, not quite, he is a MODERATE REPUBLICAN
they do exist, even if they are an endangered species

:-)

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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:54 PM
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5. Johnson was only Republican...
... in an economic sense. Before running for governor as a Republican, he was a Libertarian.

And, as a governor, he stank. His own positions on the environment in NM were as hypocritical as Bush's in some ways--while he was governor, there was to be nothing put in the way of business interests.

I don't think his opinion counts for a whole lot, especially.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:55 PM
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6. I read an interview with Gary Johnson once
It was in Playboy of all places.

He was very articulate and I actually agreed with him on many issues. He claims the war on drugs is pointless, and favors legalization. He is at the most moderate, perhaps even liberal.

Smart man. I was shocked to find out he was Republican. Guess we know what killed his political career, huh?

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:58 PM
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7. Kerry needs to destroy Bush in last debate like a demolition derby
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 08:00 PM by billbuckhead
Piss him off, call "W" a coward, a crook, a traitor, make him pissed. Make him do an O'reilly and leave the debate. Say "W" blasphemes Jesus when he talks about God. Kerry needs to kamikazee Bush and then tell America to watch 9-!! or do their own research about how little Bush has really done to defend America and how can they feel safe with such a dubious regime in charge. Until George Bush stands up to corporate America, he can never even make start in Iraq. Until he stands up to Halliburton, he can never stand up to bin Ladin and Saudi Arabia. Until George Bush can stand up to If Americans want terrorists on TV laughing at us for the rest of our lives then they should choose Bush but if you want to solve the problem for good, choose me and I'll report for duty and I'll never be AWOL.
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goodwalt Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:14 PM
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10. I agree-sort of
"Going Kamikazi" might be a little strong, but I definitely agree he needs to be agressive in the one-possibly two debates that Rove will approve. There is no POLITE way to accuse someone of being a corporate whore, wrecking the economy, and sending thousands of soldiers off to be killed and maimed in an effort to make us LESS secure. THAT needs to be the tone, and there is no NICE way to get there. On the other hand, I think Kerry should refrain frome using words like coward, whore and "corporate bitch" in an effort to appear "presidential". I DO however think he should ask W if Ken Lay's ass tasted like chicken, and whether or not Laura was jealous of "Kenny Boy".
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:00 PM
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8. Better the devil you know, etc, etc
This is always a strength of the incumbent. The advantage this Bush has over his father, Jimmy Carter, and Herbert Hoover is he seems to be able to "connect" better (comes across as ok) and is getting a massive free ride from the media.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:07 PM
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9. Good Lord, how could Kerry be worse?
My freaking dog could do a better job than whistle ass.
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:39 PM
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11. Tweety showed some past debates last night and one was Kerry
debate with opponent for his senate seat, I nearly fell off my seat, couldn't believe it was Kerry. He was concise, forceful,and was totally in command, now if he looks at that debate and uses that style he wins hands down. Kerry must shed the long wind, go short to the point, short jabs to the knock out punch.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:46 PM
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12. At least now you know that Kerry is capable of doing that.
Kerry can be a very strong candidate. I think we're beginning to see just how strong he can be.
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