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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:15 AM
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RECIPE FOR DISASTER: Afghanistan Will Undo the Democrats Who Take Obama w/ Them
Edited on Wed Oct-07-09 10:16 AM by Nuclear Unicorn
RECIPE FOR DISASTER

INGREDIENTS
The president is currently deciding how best to prosecute the war in Afghanistan (there is no BEST way to fight a war IMHO, but what do I know). He seems to not offer any hint of withdrawing. This will put him at odds with the dems. Worse, if he decides to escalate congress may balk at funding the increase. The GOP will come racing to the president's "rescue" with a handful of blue-dogs in tow.

PREPARATIONS
The GOP has had a good run obstructing HCR, Environmental Regs, Union rights, Gay rights etc. They have held party unity while the democrats have come apart at the seams with unblockable majorities. This scenario will repeat in relation to Afghanistan.

This makes Afghanistan the tipping point.

MIXING
The MSM will allow the GOP to present themselves as a party of unified principles that will back the president when they believe he is correct but offering "loyal opposition" when they disagree but the dems will be a party in disarray that cannot support their own president in war or even squeak out legislation with unblockable majorities.

COOKING
Congress gets gutted in 2010.

CHECK FOR DONENESS
A resurgent GOP blocks anything and everything the president wants to accomplish EXCEPT their wars.

SERVING SUGGESTION
2012 rolls around and the Quitter-in-Chief thrashes a beleagured Obama as a do nothing president.




Stick a fork in me I'm done.

No, not really. I have to hold on to my optimism but it's kind of hard to do lately.

Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong. I won't take offense (as long as you aren't offensive). I want to be wrong.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:23 AM
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1. He should have told the GOP: "Want your illegal wars? Vote Yes on Health Care Reform, or else"
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:35 AM
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2. If the war is illegal the president is obligated to withdraw
I think the war is a catastrophically tragic lack of imagination but I cannot accept Obama would be accessory to a crime.

Your post also misses the point of my OP that its the dems that can't get their act together and that GOP opposition to HCR is a given.

It is the lack of DEM party unity that is killing us; Afghanistan is merely the tipping point because it plays into GOP hands.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:39 AM
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3. Let the Taliban regroup in Afghanistan and hope they don't undermine Pakistan
:thumbsup:
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:42 AM
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4. I'm not keen on letting misogynists regroup in Afghanistan or Washington DC but...
...this isn't a thread about war strategy; it's about the political/electoral threat this issue poses to the president because the dems in congress are ruining him on the domestic front.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:44 AM
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5. And his approval ratings (as well as support for HCR) are up because...
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:50 AM
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6. OK, that's the president's ratings...
...but congress' rating is in the toilet: http://www.gallup.com/poll/123491/Approval-Congress-Falls-21-Driven-Democrats.aspx

If we lose congress the president's domestic agenda is all but over. That is what I'm worried about in my OP.

The president isn't the issue...he's the one being left to hang out to dry by dem disunity and that's what has me so worried.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 01:44 PM
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12. No, the Taliban will return to parts of Afghanistan that we are presently occupying.
In fact, withdrawing our combat troops will help to stabilize Pakistan.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:40 PM
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7. War and Health Care will be Obama's downfall. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:43 PM
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8. Yes, Democracy Now's whole program does and in depth analysis of today's situation ...
within Afghanistan.

http://www.democracynow.org/


In addition, Please visit *Rethink Afghanistan* ?

http://rethinkafghanistan.com/videos.php
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 12:43 PM
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9. Your premise ends with Palin getting elected?
Not even Repubs are fully behind her at this point.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 01:27 PM
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10. Strictly hyperbole, I assure you.
Still, I'm of the opinion the GOP will come out with better PR if the dems undercut Obama domestically and the war but the GOP backs Obama on the war. Technically, that makes them more supportive of the president than his own party.

Throwing Palin in there was just the frosting to a nightmare recipe.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 01:41 PM
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11. I agree, this will be their Vietnam. I'm still shocked that we've successfully tied Bush's war to us
Why did we do this? This was Bush's war! Why are we hitching our wagon to a giant failure??? We have loads of successful issues, why take on this war?
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 01:56 PM
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13. Over-zealousness
Edited on Wed Oct-07-09 01:56 PM by Nuclear Unicorn
After 9/11 Americans were more interested in revenge than the underlying causes of people supporting terrorists (often seperate, we should never forget the true believers are few but those with crappy circumstances seeking salvation of one form or another are legion). To not support that public cry for blood would have been political suicide.

Add to that opposition to the Iraq war. If dems opposed Iraq AND Afghanistan then the GOP would simply claim, "See, you can't trust democrats with national security". Our guys allowed that to be the defining terms of the war and any debate about it. Only a brave few said we should battle the poverty and lack of education that allows religious madmen to prey upon the exploited. So, in order to oppose Iraq many dems doubled-down on support of Afghanistan. IIRC it was even called "the good war". The term makes me want to vomit in my mouth.

So they bought it for street cred but they bought it nonetheless. Now they want out of it.

They should give the president his domestic agenda and then demand withdrawal. If we left Afghanistan today it won't be an issue come Nov 2012. If the dems would get out of their own way they could have enough of a domestic record passed to have bragging rights in 2010. But they won't and because of that they are sinking themselves which in turn allows the GOP to paralyze the president domestically while crowing about "bipartisanship...just like Obama wanted" for the war.

We HAVE to get our side in order and FAST!
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