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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:16 AM
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The last two sitting presidents to earn the Nobel Peace Prize were...
Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt. Both would have been labeled "warmongers" by many DUers living at that time. Indeed, the US was involved in wars and occupations during both presidencies. But some DUers have a hard time getting beyond the idea that the presence of war means anything in relation to peace. Many European nations were being quite "peaceful" as they ignored the ethnic genocide going on in Bosnia. The truth is, things aren't as simple as "war and peace" and the sooner some DUers move beyond this dichotomy, the better.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:18 AM
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1. Both did something, got results, not just talked about it.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:20 AM
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2. Are you saying Obama is just talk? He didn't ask for the Nobel Prize
they unanimously gave it to him. He was as surprised as anybody and in reading why they awarded it to him I think they make some good points.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:20 AM
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3. You need to go over ---> with Michael Steele. He agrees with you and Rush Limbaugh.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:30 AM
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9. What hasn't he done in first 8 months? You know he's not a king, right?
Name one thing that he hasn't done that he could do all by himself?

He's trying to end the war in Iraq. He's trying to pass health care. He's trying to close gitmo.

But...

He can't stop a war all by himself.
He can't pass health care all by himself.
He can't close gitmo all by himself.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 02:38 PM
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14. one was dem and one was a liberal repug. the next three are dems:
Obama, Gore, Carter. Nice, huh?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:20 AM
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4. Woodrow Wilson tried to stop Prohibition, and he pardoned my grandfather
Edited on Fri Oct-09-09 10:21 AM by slackmaster
My grandfather was given a long prison sentence after failing to adequately defend his claim of Conscientious Objector status for World War I. For that I will be eternally grateful to President Wilson.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:21 AM
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5. You're asking people to realize that the world isn't as absolute as they think.
It's easier to have absolute morals, but reality isn't so simple.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:21 AM
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6. They gave one to Kissinger and Arafat.
I think Obama ranks above those two choices.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 01:01 PM
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13. Theirs made *some* sense, though you'd have to isolate them from the rest of their histories. (nt)
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sentelle Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:21 AM
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7. If memory serves me right
TR got his Nobel for brokering a Peace Treaty to end the Russo-Japanese war of 1906. I suppose Wilson's was for the end of WWI.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:55 AM
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11. Actually, for Wilson's work on behalf of the League of Nations. nt
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:25 AM
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8. War has nothing to do with the relation to peace?
I am pretty sure, but correct me if I am wrong, the complete opposite of Peace is War.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 10:47 AM
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10. War is a technical term...
and a confusing one at that. Just because war is not occuring in a given area doesn't mean it is peaceful.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-09-09 12:52 PM
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12. agreed, but that is not what i said. I said .......
The COMPLETE OPPOSITE of war is peace.

You can have conflict without war, and no conflict without peace, but you can't have peace with war x2.
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