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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:10 PM
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Rick Sanchez said: "The Public Option is a conservative idea."
I agree, it is more cost effective than the Baucas bill if it is a real Public Option.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:16 PM
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1. Technically it is.
It allows the insurance criminal industry to remain in existence and allows competition.

Of course corporatism is not really conservative, and true "free enterprise" no longer exists when "too big to fail" Goliaths dominate most industries.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:17 PM
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2. Just don't confuse the word Conservative with Republican.
Republicans have not been conservative since Eisenhower.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:28 PM
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3. Exactly. Republicans are now Corporatist
On the otherhand, mandated and subsidized insurance is a corporatist idea. So there is a little something here for everyone.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:34 PM
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4. I hate when liberals call repukes conservatives, because they do conserve anything,
but money for a few. They are the corporatist/monopoly party.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:37 PM
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7. The Corporatist/Monopoly Party
is a good name for them.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:35 PM
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5. More like reactionaries...
"Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative"

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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:44 PM
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9. Failephants.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 03:12 PM
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13. I like that...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 03:54 PM
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14. I just call 'em Confederates. That seems to sum it all up.
and it pisses them off to no end.
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Locus Ceruleus Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:50 PM
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11. mandated, subsidized insurance is corporatist
Well put! Profit maximization is antithetical to the provision of health care.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:36 PM
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6. A true conservative
would be against 'foreign entanglements'.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 06:56 PM
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16. They aren't conservative
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 07:00 AM
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17. That's my point. nt
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:38 PM
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8. No, it's neo-liberal- american style. n/t
The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376


All this will explain why we will end up with a public option that will be destroyed in the marketplace when it is forced to compete with private for profit giants who will continue to make money denying care and dumping the sicker people into the public option/medicare, despite whatever weak regulations are proposed.

A real public option would be medicare for all who chose it phased in over 3-5 years beginning the day after reform is passed. Real regulation to strengthen the public option would be prohibiting the ins. companies from competing with the basic, comprehensive plan the public option offers which for profit ins. companies are also required to offer to everyone. Insurance companies compete in the add-on luxury/frills market.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 02:47 PM
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10. The same definition of a corporatist/monopoly party.
Edited on Tue Oct-13-09 03:15 PM by ej510
They support corporate controlled government and corporations hate competition. They want a monopoly.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 03:12 PM
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12. It is fiscally conservative to have Public Health Care...nt
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 04:03 PM
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15. Or you call them this party!
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