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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 07:48 PM
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Kerry wary of sending more troops to Afghanistan

"Kerry is among a group of people Obama is consulting as he makes perhaps the most important foreign policy choice of his presidency, whether to commit more troops to an eight-year-long war where victory appears increasingly elusive.

He said he just got off the phone to Obama. "I said, 'I'm leaving to Afghanistan tomorrow night and he said, 'I'm really looking forward to your download when you get back.'"


Obama said on Tuesday he hoped to complete a review of his Afghan strategy in the coming weeks. Kerry said if he disagreed with the president's final decision, he would not hesitate to say so publicly.

"This is war, this is life and death, it is not a party issue, this is an American issue."


http://www.reuters.com/article/gc05/idUSTRE59C69420091013?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11621
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 09:10 PM
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1. I am counting on Kerry remaining true to form and speak his mind
War is not a game, and sending our best to die for the corrupt and criminal Karzai regime is something we must oppose.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 09:37 PM
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3. Same here
He was excellent in the four hearings that tried to, in Kerry's words, test the underlying assumptions. He asked very tough questions of all the people there. In one, a woman used the phrase "good enough governance. Many of the the other witnesses and Kerry picked up the phrase. I think the lack of that "good enough governance and Afghan history is why Kerry is seeing huge similarities to Vietnam.

The NYT had a nice column on Vietnam and Afghanistan. Near the end, there is an email from a former CIA agent, who was in Vietnam in the late 1950s and early 1960s, who has recently published a book called "Why Vietnam Matters". He spent a few weeks in Afghanistan before the elections and celebrated his 80th (!) birthday there. His email also leads to the idea that a counter insurgency strategy can't work. (The rest of the article is interesting to as it speaks of the Vietnam books the generals and administration people are reading. It is scary that our generals are reading a book that argues that we had won by 1970, but lost when teh US cut off aid in 1974. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/the-vietnam-war-guide-to-afghanistan

I hope the comments that Kerry is one of Obama's main influences is true. He knows this at both a political/diplomatic level and the gut level of having been in a war with a policy that made no sense. In his op-ed and other comments, wnating to stop that from being the case here is clearly what motivates him.

It will be interesting to hear what he has to say when he returns. He has said, more often than he has had to, that he will not stay silent if he disagrees.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-13-09 09:27 PM
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2. It's time to end the occupations

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 06:56 AM
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4. CNN was reporting this morning that McCgsytal has said no matter how many trroops we can fail
I can't find a link even on CNN's site. If this is true, it completely weakens the argument to have a counterinsurgency strategy - and ends up validating the concerns of people like Kerry, who have questioned that Afghanistan may not have the "good enough governance" needed.

My concern is that, as a country, we have always had the belief that, if we are clever, committed and hard working enough, we can figure out how to "fix" anything. This extends to almost anything, but here it is deadly. Here, it leads good people to think we can change Afghan society very significantly. (Kerry is not one of these people) Think of the article last week where some Code Pink people were concerned that women will be treated poorly if the Taliban returns to power - and it is true that the there is a very good chance that if we just leave they will return to power. The belief that a) we know what "fixed" means and b) we can do it, are what led to the neo-con ideas and maybe to the backing of counterinsurgency here.

It also, though leads, once people have severe doubts on counterinsurgency, to wanting to find a different, better solution. Now, it is important that, in this reassessment period, every possibility is examined, but the result may be that there are few alternatives and all have major downsides.

I think, if McChrystal really said this, we will go with counterterrorism - which, if you remember was what Kerry argued for as the way to fight non-state terrorism in addition to using law enforcement and intelligence. Biden seems to be the proponent of this in the White House. (Though I like that Kerry has the independence to speak out and has been very important as a Senator, this is one of the times I wish he were Secretary of State. Even at HRC's hearings, he was signaling concern on getting the Afghan policy right. Kerry and Biden together might have led to a different decision being made. Clinton backed Gates, not Biden, while Kerry was likely an influence on Biden. )
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-14-09 11:50 AM
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5. Suggestions that things are shifting against McCrystal's plan
Edited on Wed Oct-14-09 11:50 AM by karynnj
It was reported that Hillary Clinton was speaking of investigating if they could find common ground with some Taliban. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/13/hillary-clinton-it-s-time-for-talks-with-the-taliban-115875-21743467/
(not the best of sources - so take with grain of salt)


It was widely reported that Clinton backed Gates in March in intensifying the war. This article suggests that she will push for a middle ground between the counterinsurgency and the counterintelligence approaches. One question is what the goal of that middle position would be and whether it is realistic - or another version of Vietnam.


The thesis of Tuesday's NYT story is that this pattern may obscure her real influence. Secretary Clinton's power may come by way of serving as an amen corner for Secretary Gates, the most powerful member of President Obama's cabinet. By endorsing Gates's view on Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, and other issues, Secretary Clinton guarantees that the issue will not be framed internally as an us vs. him issue, where the "us" is Team Obama and the "him" is the holdover appointee from the Bush administration. She has thus played a crucial role in forging the most important, if most often misunderstood (cf. the curious convergence of views between former Vice President Dick Cheney and the Nobel Peace Prize Committee) fact about President Obama's national security policy thus far: its dramatic continuity with President Bush's national-security policy.

Ironically, however, that continuity may have played out its course. As the NYT story also suggests, Clinton and Gates appear to be teaming up to do something that Bush did not do: Stick with an incremental policy rather than embrace a surge. The reporters seem confident that Clinton and Gates favor a middle course between Biden's abrupt shift in mission and McChrystal's Iraq-like (Bush-like) surge in military and civilian resources.

Even without Clinton and Gates recommending it, most observers probably would bet that President Obama is going to split the difference in this fashion. The politics of the Afghanistan decision are such that a split-the-difference option is almost inescapable. Having the two most important cabinet principals endorsing it would make it virtually a foregone conclusion.

It would also do one more thing, which thus far has not happened: It would put Secretary Clinton's imprimatur on an important policy. The war in Afghanistan has already become President Obama's war. If he adopts Secretary Clinton's recommendation, it will also become her war. What comes of that war may well determine a key part of how history rates both of these political leaders in the foreign-policy arena.


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113783298

This makes me think that as much as Kerry has done (or is likely to do) as a Senator, the dynamics of Obama's national security team would have been FAR different with Kerry there rather than the more hawkish Clinton.

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