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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:41 AM
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Question: When someone like Harman sees the HCR light because her son was dropped by an insurer...
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 12:21 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
Question: When someone like Jane Harman (D-CA and one of the wealthiest people in Congress) sees the HCR light because her son was dropped by an insurer, what the hell was she thinking before?

We hear this all the time from politicians... "I take health insurance reform seriously because my spouse had cancer."

That's kind of like saying, "I was for Vietnam until my son got drafted."

(Rudyard Kipling pulled strings so his almost-legally-blind son could go serve in WWI and not miss out on the glory of it all. Then when his son was killed he changed his hawkish tune and took a very sour position on the war. Think locally, act globally!)

Surely Harman knew that OTHER PEOPLE, people whose interests she was elected to represent, were being treated horribly by health insurers, right? I mean, it's been on the news and stuff. She has constituents she hears from.

The implicit message is that things are so bad that even the *good people* are affected.

Whatever it takes to get someone on board is better than nothing. But geez...
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:47 AM
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1. I've got mine, fuck you...
That's the mentality we are fighting here. They don't understand how fragile "theirs" is. Any one of us could lose all we have if there were a costly medical emergency. Sometimes all we have, and more. I heard a figure the other day, must have been from Steph Miller or Mike Malloy... 60% of personal bankruptcy is due to losing medical coverage. Add that figure to the 44k who die yearly (one every 12 minutes) due to lack of health care insurance, and we have a good frame for public option arguments.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:49 AM
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4. You are 100% correct. I hope these selfish people lose their health insurance
so they can see life from the other side.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:17 PM
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24. True. Except.....just maybe one day it will be them, too, or someone they love. nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:49 AM
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2. Harman's shows once again how ridiculous she is. If she needs to be hit directly, she misses the
basic understanding and empathy to be a Congressperson.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:56 AM
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5. Most of these politicians lack the basic empathy to be in Congress.
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 11:56 AM by Jennicut
Sad but it is true.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:18 PM
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21. Empathy is a bad thing now...
Wasn't that a fairly recent GOP talking point?
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:56 AM
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6. Yes, she and many others are truly OUT OF TOUCH
with their constituents. They really do exist in a bubble.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 07:04 PM
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23. +1
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:49 AM
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3. Sometimes it has to get personal for people to have an epiphany about
social justice.
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Ineeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:58 AM
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7. true. n/t
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:00 PM
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8. Marcy Winograd , a progressive challenger.
I'm sure she would appreciate our support.

http://www.winograd4congress.com/
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:05 PM
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11. I think we should have better things to do
than to target for elimination people who are in favor of the public option.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:10 PM
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20. Did you visit her website?
Winograd's in favor of single payer. Harmon's a blue dog & despite her recent change on the public option, which only happened after a family member was personally affected, she's still a blue dog. The only way to get rid of the blue dogs is to primary them. But sure, continue to support Harmon, if you like, & then wonder why we never get any significant change. :crazy:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:04 PM
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9. She was operating within her preexisting framework,
and was susceptible to information and arguments that reinforced her general political opinions. Then she found her political opinions at odds with a major event in her personal life. She had to then either recalibrate her personal beliefs regarding the value of her son, or had to recalibrate her political beliefs. Her personal beliefs won out, she found herself now susceptible to information and arguments that would lead to political viewpoints that did not lead to internal conflict, and adjusted accordingly.

Humans are tribal apes. We all naturally gravitate towards valuing those in our sphere of attachment more than those outside; it takes great mental effort to come to any. National politics is a strange framework in which we generally aren't quite equipped to operate.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:04 PM
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10. I don't get why she said this. She claims she learned some kind of lesson b/c her son lost his
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 12:05 PM by rvablue
coverage.

In her case, big deal. Isn't she the richest member of the House? She could easily sudsidize it.

What I'm saying here is why come out with this dishonest "oh, I've seen the light" comment?

It might be a CYA move after hearing from her constituency and trying to come up with a "personal" story to ease the tide of negative criticism.

Perplexing.

And agreed. Glad she is on board. But I'm not buying this as the reason.


edit to add: I see the answer to my query in a comment above. A more progressive challenger in the primary!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:09 PM
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12. For some reason the public eats up these Oprah-esque personal angles
It's like if a politician cites a personal angle that gives his/her view greater credibility.

But if someone said, "I oppose HCR because my family is quite healthy" it would sound absurdly self-interested.

So it only works one way.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:11 PM
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15. We want to think our representatives are well intentioned,
but nobody really believes they're wholly altruistic. "She/He has the same problems and concerns I do and therefore will work on something approximating my behalf" is the closest we can get.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:10 PM
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13. Took her son being at risk before SHE could see beyond her delusion.
Delusions die hard. For some, they don't die up at all. Is it possible that a lot of people are missing some essential human genes? Some do not have enough imagination to enable them to consider anything beyond their own experience/needs. Some have no empathy.

Someday, science may be able to provide gene therapy to make such people more fully human.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:10 PM
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14. Some people can't bring them selves to walk in other's shoes
until they're literally forced to wear them.

I believe this is because those people consciously or subconsciously succumb to their instinctive nature or fear of wanting to avoid bad things, unpleasantness and tragedy; probably in the DNA as a survival mechanism. Some people are afraid of the dark and won't go there and I believe this is all Harmon saw until her son's plight illuminated the area.

I believe humanity has a long way to go in a short time if we're to avoid major catastrophe for our species.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:17 PM
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16. Maybe she assumed most folks dropped had done something wrong
Maybe she assumed most folks dropped by insurers had done something wrong, in the way we assume everyone arrested is guilty until someone we know is arrested.

That's normal human nature, but one hopes that veteran legislators have some sort of developed objective sense of things beyond the anecdotal.

C'est la vie.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:54 PM
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18. Those people were in the dark fringes of her consciousness having done bad or wrong things.
In spite of our best efforts I believe most, if not all objective sense is clouded by subjective emotion, with some people that may be just a few clouds on an otherwise sunny day but with others it's more like a prelude to a tornado.

Having said that, I do agree with your hope.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:39 PM
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17. Some people think bad things can't happen to them....until they happen. nt
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:57 PM
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19. Human Beings are sometimes blinded to the needs of others till they are in that same place
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 12:58 PM by Peacetrain
Our politicians are not special people. They do not have special knowledge. They are joes and janes just like us, and screw up just like us, make poor decisions just like us, and everyone now and then, see the light... just like us

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:32 PM
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22. Inherit in empathy is the ability to see oneself in anothers position.
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