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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:18 PM
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Should Democrats Begin to Push Obama about a 2nd Bill of Rights
This has been brought to everyone's attention through Michael Moore's new film about Capitalism. Apparently, FDR saw an upcoming problem...Americans didn't have any type of economic right and were open to exploitation. I think many of the ills we're currently going through could have been diverted if we did have a 2nd BoR. So, should Dems pick this flag back up and push for something that hasn't been talked about since the 40's? Obama's and his team have made numerous comparisons to FDR...but so far I don't see it. FDR challenged the financial elites (and some say those same elites tried to take him out of power through a military coup that never got past the planning stages). So far, Obama hasn't really challenged them the way so many on DU wanted him to. Mind you, Wall Street is much more powerful now than it was during FDR's time. Calling for a 2nd Bill of Rights would be an open attack on their power.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:21 PM
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1. Given that we're spending months desperately battling over
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 12:25 PM by Occam Bandage
whether we can open up a government-run insurance company to compete with privately-run insurance companies over a small portion of under-served consumers, I think declaring war on capitalism itself may be just a teensy, wee tiny bit difficult to pull off.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:27 PM
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2. If Obama get re-elected I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility
You're talking about almost 10 years in office. We need to begin actively advocating moving back to a social Democratic society. We've swung so far to the Right, that guys like Nixon don't even seem like Republicans (outside of the corruption part). We've become a major Right-wing Corporatist nation. If we don't make a major shift, I fear for the future of this country. We're teetering on the brink here. Obama want's to do this issue by issue, and yes...that could take forever. Instead of simply going after the main problem which would undoubtedly solve other problems like healthcare reform and energy reform.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:31 PM
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3. FDR saved capitalism from itself and his 2nd Bill of Rights wasn't a declaration of war against it
merely an attempt to keep it from running amok as it has done by saying everyone had a right to a certain minimum standard of living.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights


Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union<1>:

It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.


I love that he even listed "recreation" as right. Think of the people who work three jobs with no sick time of vacation.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:30 PM
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6. Why do people find it realistic to compare 1944 to 2009?!
Vastly different issues, circumstances, and Presidents. This doesn't even include the improvements or lack there of in lifestyle, wars, inflation, role of Banks and Government, and laws. I've seen others do it for 1964 and 2009. This President is compared to every other President and then some, can we not take the issue as it presents itself and with current problems. Secondly, no other President I'm sure has to deal with the amount of racism that is inherent within the political sphere which is a second issue that enables Republican obstructionism---and this is just to get laws, irrespective of social concerns of the citizenry.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:17 PM
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7. You'll have to show me where I was comparing 1944 and 2009 in my post
Though, now that you bring it up - the circumstances aren't that different. A horrible economic situation caused by unregulated capitalism and a two front war. The only differences are is that FDR acted to regulate the crooks so we wouldn't wind up in that situation again and the wars Obama is dealing with are ones of choice.




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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:29 AM
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8. not to mention the vast right-wing media conspiracy against him,
lying and misleading every step of the way.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 12:32 PM
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4. Would that not have to be approved
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 12:49 PM by sharp_stick
by 2/3 of the States? If so, I don't think there would be a chance in hell that anyone could push anything through this partisan environment.

on edit to add: Although I would love to see a second bill of rights actually come about.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:07 PM
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5. Constitutional amendments require 3/4 of the states to approve it.
A constitutional amendment would need ratification by 38 states.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 03:51 AM
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9. Sounds fantastic to me.
It'll never get anywhere, but God it would feel good to see them try.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 04:11 AM
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10. Like 10 new Amendments to the Constitution?
Edited on Fri Oct-16-09 04:12 AM by PBS Poll-435
Nah. Better to leave that shit alone.

We all know what the 18th Amendment did to like help the people and all.





And seriously - I fucking get chills down my spine when folks on the internets try to misinterpret history and historical facts with what they heard on Glenn Beck or the remains of Mao.






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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 05:50 AM
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11. I don't know what Democratic party you've been watching lately
but the one I've been watching seems to be afraid of its own shadow. Maybe in some other lifetime in some other universe there's a Democratic party with the stones to do what you suggest but it ain't this one.
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