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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:07 PM
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BREAKING-House backs Gitmo prisoner transfer to U.S.
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 01:24 PM by jenmito
Now it goes to the Senate per MSNBC. Obama may just get Gitmo closed by Jan. 22nd afterall!

ETA link thanks to babylonsister: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g3S0nqr8jsHUnXW7-jjEE05TvIrgD9BBM29O0
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:08 PM
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1. kr
:thumbsup:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:08 PM
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2. Is this to stand trial or to be moved here permanently?
I hear Michigan (?) has an empty prison that needs to be filled so people can keep their jobs?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:10 PM
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3. They didn't say. But I think it's to be moved permanently...
to the empty prison in MI for the reason you said.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:15 PM
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4. I hope Levin doesn't muck this up. nt
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:13 PM
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11. Governor Granholm and many state legislators strongly oppose moving Gitmo to Michigan.
:hi:
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:43 PM
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14. Yeah and they're idiots for doing so
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:44 PM
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15. Well, that's a winning argument. nt
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:48 PM
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18. They're is not a single good reason to oppose the move
we have terrorist housed in US prisons now, I'm rather disappointed Granholm would support this stupid right wing fear mongering
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:49 PM
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19. I have one: it's bad publicity for Michigan.
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 02:51 PM by Romulox
edit: On edit, the presumptuousness with which the Obama admin attempted to shove this down the throats of the people of Michigan (and, mysteriously enough, not the people of Illinois or New York,) belies the argument that this isn't about a generalized disdain for Michigan.

Well, Michigan is not America's trash can. Put them in Chicago. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:59 PM
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22. Wow. I guess you didn't hear that the prison in MI WANTS to take these
detainees so the prison doesn't have to close and people can get JOBS working there.

Why are you afraid to have detainees in a MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON? Is any state with such a prison a "trash can"?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 04:53 PM
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26. Sure did. It's a town of a few hundred people in a state of almost 10 million.
"Why are you afraid to have detainees in a MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON? Is any state with such a prison a "trash can"? "

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Being "afraid" has nothing to do with it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:44 PM
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29. Then what's your problem? Why do you consider it "America's trash can"
just because we want Gitmo detainees to go there? And again, I'd have NO PROBLEM with them coming to a prison HERE in NY.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:03 PM
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37. Why the mania to send these folks to Michigan? We don't want them, end of story.
You're not going to convince us otherwise with a temper tantrum. Move them elsewhere; we don't want 'em.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:27 AM
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43. The only one having a "temper tantrum" is you. I KEEP saying I do NOT mind having them
come HERE if a facility is available. It's a shame you'd rather we keep Gitmo open, further harming our image in the world because of some irrational fear you have.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:39 AM
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48. You're under the bizarre misapprehension that your desires are controlling here.
There's a democratic process at play here! :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:48 AM
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52. You aren't making sense. n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:00 PM
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58. Umm, Michigan's representatives oppose this, so it's not happening.
It makes perfect sense. :shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:30 PM
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61. When did I say I thought my desires are controlling???
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:36 PM
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64. Jenmito #29: "...we want Gitmo detainees to go there..."
What a bizarre response to the idea that our governor opposes this. :wtf:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8703193&mesg_id=8703709
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:42 PM
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66. "Why do you consider it "America's trash can" just because we want Gitmo detainees to go there?"
THAT means I think my "desires are controlling"??? What a bizarre thing for you to say! :wtf:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:44 PM
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67. Listen, "we want Gitmo detainees to go there" is a strange thing to say
You simply don't have a say. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:48 PM
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I never SAID I had a say! You have NO comprehension ability!
So sad.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:51 PM
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70. You said, "we want..." in argument to the elected officials of Michigan being opposed.
That your wishes should have any standing is obviously implied in your argument itself.

At any rate, enough with your foolishness. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:55 PM
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73. Wow. You really need to go (back) to school with your level of reading comprehension.
Good luck with all THAT! :hi: :rofl:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 01:04 PM
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74. This is just namecalling now. nt
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:46 PM
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33. I'd say Michigan owes the US and the President one. Auto bailouts and all...
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 08:47 PM by ChimpersMcSmirkers
Bad PR huh? So we shouldn't close gitmo because it's bad PR? Ok that makes sense.

The fact that you're in this thread arguing against this says alot and none of it is good.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:16 PM
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35. There's that..
quid pro quo.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:02 PM
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36. The President forced two of the largest employers here into bankruptcy
whilst simultaneously funneling trillions to the banksters. Call your favors in on Manhattan. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:44 PM
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16. That's irrational. I guess the RWers successfully scared the American people enough
so the politicians don't want to LOOK like they don't care about "bringing terrorists to our soil to run free in our streets."
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:46 PM
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17. It's irrational because you proclaim it such? No problem, let's just find a site in New York.
"so the politicians don't want to LOOK like they don't care about 'bringing terrorists to our soil to run free in our streets.'"

I haven't heard anyone make this argument. :shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:54 PM
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20. No, because it IS irrational. I'd GLADLY let the detainees go to a NY maximum security
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 03:29 PM by jenmito
prison! There are scarier people already in prisons who I'm not worried about. And I don't live in a prison. I live in a house. :shrug:

I've seen ads showing pics of suspected terrorists, talking about how they're "coming to a city near you." And the Repubs. keep saying if they DO come here, they could be running free in our streets.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 04:52 PM
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25. Then why hasn't any prison in NY been considered?
You keep on mentioning "scared", but you're the only one here talking about that, btw. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:48 PM
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30. Is there a maximum security prison in NY?
I don't believe it would be bad publicity for NY OR MI. The only reason it would be considered "bad publicity" is...WHAT if not fear from the people who live in that state?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:04 PM
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38. Of course there are Maximum Security prisons in New York. Strange question. nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:36 AM
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44. I just googled it. There ARE maximum security prisons in NY, but no SUPER-MAX prisons,
which are the only ones these detainees would be sent to. MI has an EMPTY super-max prison. If NY had one, I'd LOVE for the detainees to be housed there. Not only so Gitmo can be closed, but so people could get jobs.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:38 AM
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47. The Standish Prison isn't listed as "SuperMax", either...
:shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:46 AM
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51. What IS it listed as? n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:59 AM
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57. "Maximum Correctional Facility".
http://www.michigan.gov/corrections/0,1607,7-119-1381_1388-5268--,00.html
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:37 PM
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13. Blackwater has been 'patrolling' a town in Montana for over a month ...
... and IIRC, its the same town that has a completely empty super-max prison who's mayor went on Hardball or KO and practically BEGGED to have the Gitmo prisoners there, because the town needs jobs etc.

Works for me ...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 03:00 PM
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23. That would be GREAT!
A win-win. We can close Gitmo and people here can find employment!
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 03:20 PM
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24. Many, if not most, can't be put on trial, thanks to Bush.
Problem is that most of the evidence against the detainees is so tainted that we'd have no case in a normal trial. And the problem for Obama is that if he justs releases them and then something bad happens by one of their hands, holy hell is going to break loose. It's really a lose-lose. Thank you, Asshat Bush.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:18 PM
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5. LINK: only for prosecution...
Republicans fail to stop Gitmo transfers into US

By ANDREW TAYLOR (AP) – 24 minutes ago


WASHINGTON — Handing President Barack Obama a partial victory in his effort to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, House Democrats on Thursday repelled a Republican effort to block transfer of any of the detainees to the U.S.

Instead, by a 224-193 vote, the House stood by a Democratic plan to allow suspected enemy combatants held at the controversial Guantanamo facility to be shipped to U.S. soil — but only to be prosecuted for their suspected crimes.

The Guantanamo restrictions were attached by House-Senate negotiators on a $42.8 billion homeland security appropriations bill.

President Barack Obama has ordered the facility closed in January but has yet to offer a plan to meet his deadline.

more...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g3S0nqr8jsHUnXW7-jjEE05TvIrgD9BBM29O0
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:20 PM
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6. Thanks for the link...
can I put it in my OP? I wish it was for permanent transfer.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:22 PM
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7. Please do, and I wish it was permanent, too. That's the only
thing holding up the closing of Gitmo, and iirc, Levin is against it, too. Maybe if he sees the need in his state he'll change his mind.

http://www.correctionsone.com/news/1955055-Mich-city-asks-for-Gitmo-transfers-to-fill-closing-prison/

Mich. city asks for Gitmo transfers to fill closing prison
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:25 PM
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8. Thanks...
I can't understand why these politicians won't allow Gitmo detainees in their maximum security prisons. They must be afraid they'll be painted as "weak on terror" by the Repubs. :eyes:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:30 PM
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9. What this says about our counties penal system is that th hard liners
want to toss the worse criminals in jail and throw away the key. Serial killer, serial rapists, mass murders, domestic terrorists and they don't think they can handle a couple hundred mooks from Afghanistan?

This is silly.

Bring 'em in and send them to the Max Prison outside of Denver...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 01:38 PM
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10. Exactly. It's a shame that the politicians are folding to the fears that the
RWers tried to put into the hearts of the people.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:16 PM
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12. Notice that they're not proposing to send these guys to NY, or California, or Colorado?
But rather the red-headed step child of a state, Michigan. Why do you expect that is? :shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 02:56 PM
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21. Because there's an empty max. security prison there that is EMPTY, and people want
JOBS. :shrug:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 04:54 PM
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27. That's a fairly lame response. Surely, people want JOBS (sic) in New York, Illinois.
Let's look at all the possibilities. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:49 PM
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31. Again, I have no problem with it like you apparently do.
You scared? :hi:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:12 PM
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39. I have been extremely forthright with my concerns. Why the adherance to the lame talking points?
"Scared", "irrational", etc. = canned talking points. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:40 AM
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45. Really? What IS your concern-is it the same as the politicians in MI, that it's "bad publicity"?
That seems to be YOUR talking point, along with repeatedly asking how I'd feel having them come to NY. I keep saying I wouldn't mind at all and you keep ignoring it. Oh, well. Keep up your canned talking points of not wanting them there for such a lame reason as "bad publicity." :hi:
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 08:34 PM
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32. Are there any empty supermax prisons in New York or Illinois?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:13 PM
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40. I expect one may readily be built. :) nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:40 PM
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42. If there's already an empty supermax there's no sense in building a new one
Building a new prison is a huge waste of resources if we don't need to build a new one. I would rather spend that money compensating Michigan for taking the prisoners.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:48 AM
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53. This can't be forced on Michigan, regardless of your weighing of the "efficiencies"
At any rate, political resistance obviously introduces a "transaction cost" that you haven't factored into your equation...
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:36 PM
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63. There's going to be political resistance everywhere
Building a new prison for no reason is one of the biggest wastes of taxpayer money I can think of, other than perhaps locking up pot smokers.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:40 PM
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65. That being the case, my "bad PR" argument is proven entirely rational
despite the stale talking points to the contrary.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 03:13 PM
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75. I agree that it's entirely rational
It doesn't change my argument that moving them to an empty prison is better for the country than building a new prison. Again, I would have no problem compensating Michigan for the bad PR that they might receive from this. At least that money would go to good use.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 05:00 PM
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28. Wonderful.... about time too!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 10:01 PM
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34. Here is a list from Wikipedia of many Supermax Prisons in the United States
It is not totally complete and many of these prisons simply have supermax wings or sections:

* U.S. Penitentiary Florence ADMAX (Administrative Maximum) Facility - Florence, Colorado (entirely Supermax)
* United States Penitentiary - Marion, Illinois (Downgraded to a medium-security facility in September 2006)
* Alcatraz Island - San Francisco, California (Closed March 21, 1963)
* United States Penitentiary - Tucson, Arizona
* Holman Correctional Facility - Atmore, Alabama
* ASPC-Eyman, SMU II - Florence, Arizona
* Varner Supermax - Grady, Arkansas
* Pelican Bay State Prison - Crescent City, California
* California State Prison, Corcoran - Corcoran, California
* United States Penitentiary - Atwater, California
* Colorado State Penitentiary - Canon City, Colorado
* United States Penitentiary - Coleman, Florida
* United States Penitentiary - Atlanta, Georgia
* Tamms Correctional Center - Tamms, Illinois
* Wabash Valley Correctional Facility, SHU - Carlisle, Indiana
* Westville Correctional Facility, WCU - Westville, Indiana
* United States Penitentiary - Terre Haute, Indiana
* United States Penitentiary - Leavenworth, Kansas (being downgraded to medium security)
* United States Disciplinary Barracks, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas (military prison)
* Maine State Prison - Warren, Maine
* Maryland Correctional Adjustment Center - Baltimore, Maryland
* Minnesota Correctional Facility - Oak Park Heights - Stillwater, Minnesota
* Mississippi State Penitentiary - Parchman, Mississippi
* Jefferson City Correctional Center-Jefferson City, Missouri
* Northern Correctional Institution - Somers, Connecticut
* Florida State Prison - Raiford, Florida
* United States Penitentiary - Allenwood, Pennsylvania
* Sing Sing Correctional Facility - Ossining, New York
* Ohio State Penitentiary - Youngstown, Ohio
* Idaho Maximum Security Institution - Boise, Idaho
* Oklahoma State Penitentiary - McAlester, Oklahoma
* United States Penitentiary - Lewisburg, Pennsylvania
* Riverbend Maximum Security Institution - Nashville, Tennessee
* Polunsky Unit - Livingston, Texas
* United States Penitentiary - Beaumont, Texas
* Utah State Prison - Draper, Utah
* Wallens Ridge State Prison - Big Stone Gap, Virginia
* Red Onion State Prison - Pound, Virginia
* Ionia Maximum Correctional Facility - Ionia, Michigan
* Mt. Olive Correctional Complex - Fayette County, West Virginia
* Wisconsin Secure Program Facility - Boscobel, Wisconsin
* North Branch Correctional Institution - Cumberland, Maryland (final housing unit will begin operation in summer of 2008)
* New Hampshire State Prison - Men - Concord, New Hampshire
* Massachusetts Correctional Institution - Cedar Junction - Walpole, Massachusetts
* Souza-Baranowski Correctional Center- Shirley, Massachusetts
* Attica Correctional Facility - Attica, New York
* Upstate Correctional Facility - Malone, New York
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermax

The one in Colorado has quite a list of prisoners:
The Unabomber, Terry Nichols, Ramzi Yousef (from the WTC bombing in 1993), and Zacarias Moussaoui. Tim McVeigh was there until he was executed.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-15-09 11:14 PM
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41. Thank you. Utterly bizarre that they are pushing Michigan to host this against its will.
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 11:14 PM by Romulox
Plenty of other candidates, especially if this will be such an economic boon! :eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 10:43 AM
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46. Those are prisons with supermax "wings" in them. I guess the govt. wants a totally
supermax prison. There are NOT plenty of other candidates. And the one in MI is EMPTY. It would help the economy to keep that prison open.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:42 AM
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49. Good thing that the people of Michigan have a say! nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:50 AM
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54. They sure do! Too bad it's hurting our country's reputation. n/t
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:01 PM
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59. Perhaps it's the bullheaded attempt to force this upon Michigan that is bad for our reputation
:hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:28 PM
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60. Huh???
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:31 PM
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62. You really don't don't follow along very well, do you?
You've regurgitated the Obama admin's talking points ("irrational" and "scared") and now you're fresh out of coherency. :silly:

Nice speaking with you. :rofl:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:46 PM
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68. Anyone reading your strange comments, especially post #59, will see you make no sense.
It's kind of sad that a Democrat sounds so crazy.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:48 PM
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69. LOL. My thesis hasn't changed: People of Michigan don't want this; it ain't gonna happen.
Your wild gesticulations notwithstanding. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:52 PM
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71. "Perhaps it's the bullheaded attempt to force this upon Michigan that is bad for our reputation"
So a "bullheaded attempt to force this upon Michigan" is bad for MI's reputation??? That's your thesis?! :rofl:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:55 PM
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72. No other way to say it: you don't read good.
:silly:
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:45 AM
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50. Today's Free Press: "Standish council backs off welcoming Gitmo inmates"
http://www.freep.com/article/20091015/NEWS06/91015053/1008/NEWS06/Standish-council-backs-off-welcoming-Gitmo-inmates#pluckcomments
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:51 AM
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55. Yeah. That's a shame.
Irrational fear wins out.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 11:58 AM
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56. You don't have much respect for "democracy", do you?
:rofl:
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