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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 09:51 PM
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There is nothing negative about where the House bill stands right now
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 09:55 PM by ProSense
This is was the state of the House bill on August 1:

Key Committee Backs Better-Than-Expected Health Plan

posted by John Nichols

The House Energy and Commerce Committee on Friday evening voted 31-28 for a health-care reform plan that uses a relatively robust "public option" and other strategies to insure the nearly 50 million Americans who currently lack health-care coverage.

The plan, which would cost $1 trillion over ten years, would be financed by controlling Medicare and Medicaid costs and by taxing businesses and the wealthiest Americans.

With the House breaking for its August recess, the roughly 1,000-page Energy and Commerce plan will become an improtant focus of an intense month of grassroots campaigning for reform and high-stakes lobbying against it.

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In the end, however, five Democrats still voted with the committee's 23 Republicans to block the measure, which includes a relatively robust public option. The Democrats who voted with the "party of no" were all conservatives or moderates who thought the measure was too progressive: Representatives Rick Boucher of Virginia, Bart Stupak of Michigan, Jim Matheson of Utah, John Barrow of Georgia and Charles Melancon of Louisiana.

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Here is what Congressman Grijalva said based on a report that Pelosi will introduce the above bill:

“I am not rolling over,” said Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

“I will insist on a Medicare-plus-5 (percent) amendment on the floor so that the full caucus can vote on it. We are hopeful that the Rules Committee will allow this amendment, which has tremendous public support, to be voted on for the record.”

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Here is what the House Rules Committee Chair Louise Slaughter wrote last Wednesday:

The version of H.R. 3200 that will be presented on the floor is still being compiled. After the three committee’s products are reconciled, the Rules Committee, which I chair, will determine the rules for debate and amendment of the bill on the House floor.

Progressives have been trying to secure universal health care for Americans for nearly a century, and we are now the last industrialized country in the world to not provide this critical service to its citizens. It is imperative that we take advantage of this opportunity and achieve meaningful reform.

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edited to correct day.

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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 09:59 PM
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1. knr
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:21 PM
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2. Amazing. Pelosi herself didn't get the bill she wanted and is disappointed yet you post
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 10:21 PM by saracat
implying that it is "better than expected". Pelosi thought she had the votes for as much better bill. Grijalva doesn't like this bill and is trying to add an amendement to make it ascceptable because it isn't. This is NOT a better than expected bill. That is why Raul is saying he won't "roll over". It could not be clearer.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:26 PM
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3. Learn to read and understand reality. Here you are defending Pelosi
while trashing her in another thread. Reality: The Dems are working to pass a public option. Grijalva and other are still fighting to strengthen the bill. In the end, they will come to consensus and pass a bill.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:32 PM
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4. Wow. You like to make up stuff. I didn't trash Pelosi anywhere.
Edited on Wed Oct-28-09 10:36 PM by saracat
I have trashed pols in general but their is NO thread that trashes Pelosi! This is getting bizarre. This happened yesterday as well. reality: Pelosi was disappointed. Reality Grijalva: doesn't like this bill. He is working to fix it so that it is worth something.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:47 PM
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6. Making stuff up? You're salivating over the prospect of another chance to deem health care reform a
failure that you're pronouncing the bill Pelosi will reportedly introduce "crap" while claiming to know she is disappointed. It's called reality, you should take stock in it sometimes.

Did you suggest: "Grijalva for President 2012"? Or am I making that up?

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 11:19 PM
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7.  I said nothing negative about Pelosi. I do think unless fixed the bill is crap.
there are stories p;osted all over DU from the major news outlest about Pelosi's disappointment. She wanted a robust public option. Raul is trying to get an amendment passed to fix the bill. I certainly did post Grivlja for President 2012 and see nothing wrong with that. He is a real fighter and I would like to see him in the WH. You actually laughed at the idea of a latino president. Then said no one would ever run in a primary against Obama. I basically said one never knows. I doubt Raul would run but he would be a wonderful President.He is a real fighter, and a proud liberal.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 10:33 PM
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5. I also thought "nothing negative" is a tad bit of a stretch
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 11:21 PM
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8. Data exclusivity amendment - "might not affect us now, but 10 years down the road it will be huge,”
We better hope this does not come back to harm us in the next decade or so. None of the proposed legislation negotiates lower drug prices for all Medicare recipients. With the number of people on Medicare growing from 46 million to 79 million there could be some hefty prices to be paid...by someone???

This amendment was approved in both the House and Senate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6866481&mesg_id=6866481


"The public option has received the lion’s share of attention in the health care debate, but there is an equally important one relating to generic drugs that could mean the lifesaving drugs of the future remain too expensive for all but the wealthy.

Biologics are drugs made from living organisms, and they are considered the miracle drugs of the future. They are the new “blockbuster” drugs for the pharmaceutical industry. Herceptin, for breast cancer, costs $48,000 a year, and many insurance companies won’t cover it — or people quickly hit their limits and must pay for it out-of-pocket or go without.

Embrel and Remicade, for rheumitoid arthritis, Rituxan, for Non-Hodgkin’s lymphpoma, Avasta, for metastatic colorectal cancer, Lantus, for diabetes, and Avonex, for multiple sclerosis, are just a few of these biologics. When I was on chemotheraphy, I took Neulasta to boost my white blood cell count and keep my immune system going...

...But young medical and public health students across the country feel their hands are being tied as healers of the future, and they are coming out in protest. Eric Butter, a biostatistics major at UNC, led one of many such protests around the country last week.

“It is a really important issue that might not affect us now, but 10 years down the road it will be huge,” Butter said..."



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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 09:11 AM
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9. "Healthcare Hoax from Hell" Single payer amendments ....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6880388&mesg_id=6880388

"Lies, damn lies, and promises from Democrats. An amendment allowing states to create state-level single-payer healthcare has been stripped out of the House healthcare bill, after having passed in committee back in July by a vote of 27 to 19. And rumor has it that a vote on national single-payer that was promised in July in exchange for skipping a committee vote on it will now be denied..."



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