One quote explains the vile, pre-emptive attacks on Kucinich that are again coming out of nowhere.

"President Obama told the committee chairman, George Miller, to oppose Kucinich's amendment, and he did so, leading off the voting with a resounding 'No.'"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6880388

Just like in July, when we saw a barrage of disproportionately vile and similarly worded attacks on Kucinich when the healthcare debate began, and single payer was being shoved off the table. Today the bashers are out in full force. What is motivating them to come out on Democratic Underground, looooooong after the primary, and use that nasty, glib tone to smear Dennis Kucinich and his supporters?

I don't even love his political style, but something is very fishy about the tenor, timing, and similarity of these attacks, isn't it?

I thought Kucinich was the one doing the attacking! :crazy:

This one, I'll give you. And I'm mainly just pointing out how vile and strange the attacks on DK are.

the antichrist, some bitter democrats from the primary see him as a cheater and a crook, and some of us see him as an excellent politician, but a politician is the keyword.

Some prime examples here.

It was amendment to allow states to do their own single payer system. First, states can already do that. They don't need Congress' approval. So why an amendment to that effect? Was that his way of putting in his own "opt-out" provision to the public option?

It was Kucinich being Kucinich again. I can see why his amendment was voted down.

States need a federal exemption from ERISA law to enact single-payer. As I understand it, the Kucinich Amendment would have granted this exemption to all states.

:dem:

-Laelth

I bet they don't know!

Those kind of vile attacks?

Kuch gets chided even worse for upholding them. The ones that started in July came out of nowhere for a lone representative without much power in the early stages of the healthcare debate, other than being the sponsor and biggest advocate for single payer---which they were also clearing from the table in around...July.

Obama is the President, and being criticized by progressives for twisting the Progressive Caucus's arms during this vital debate, comes with the territory on a generally progressive site.

is being called? "chided"?

for anything other than his own deslusions of self-importance. President Obama has to govern.

Viva La difference...

That is all I can say. 90% of the post lack any substance, and 100% of them are lacking any facts.

His fans are good at dishing it out, but not good at all when taking it.

DK has nearly zero track record for his lengthy tenure in office.

Maybe he would get stuff done if DLC'ers weren't directly working against the positive things he's done.

The House is filled with such people on both sides of the aisle.

"Centrists" are about as subtle as Republicans.

A Democrat who votes against Democrats is going to catch shit on a Democratic site, no matter how good his reasons are.

it's not his ideals, it's the fact he's 100% big talk and 0% accomplishment.
:shrug:

"Wake up, dionysus!!! Wake Up!''

Dennis may not fit the mold of a 'proper and soft spoken' politician, but it's torches and pitchforks time, not pinky finger sticky out drinking tea time. I have not problem at all respecting both Kucinich and Obama at the same time. Why does everything have to be black and white, right and wrong, good guy bad guy, left and right, etc.

I believe they think they are doing what is right according to their own ideas and take on what the situation is.

effective party organizer than a legislator.

or both.

He and the other members of the Progressive Caucus are our only real friends in Congress.

One does have to say though that some posters who decry progressives deserve what they end up getting.

Small solace, I know....

What other beloved Democratic politician gets attacked that way?

Only Barack Obama comes close, but he's the president. Even still, those attacks aren't nearly as personal and vile as the ones that came out of NOWHERE on Dennis Kucinich this July.

Now, what happened in July that would call for attacks on Kucinich? It's not like it was primary season.

The only answer, is that July is the month when single-payer was being taken off the table, and Dennis Kucinich was the strongest advocate for single-payer.

Dennis may have fought for it and bless his heart for it.

Obama and Clinton did not campaign on single payer - they did use the word 'universal health care' which was misleading in my view, but it was clear single payer was not what they were talking about.

SP is a wish for many, and I don't blame you one bit for wanted it as every country with plumbing probably has it or similar to. Sometimes it sounds like SP was a done deal and Obama came in behind the scenes and strangled it with his own bare hands for his own selfish and personal reasons. I just don't accept that.

Look at the quote in my OP, and tell me Obama didn't help take it off the table. State-by-state single payer was taken off the table by Barack Obama. Saying we're accusing him of "strangling" it is a strawman.

especially in a political climate like the US - the corporate personhood greed capital of the world - there is no way in gawds green earth sp would have passed. Lots and lots of other things have to be done first and Obama has been working on that - nibbling at the Causes for the reasons health care is at a point of desperation for having to be fixed. The anti-trust bill, the going after tax evaders, things are Happening. Once the Robber Barons lose Some of their power and lockpicking abilities to the taxpayers money, there will be a much better chance for a much better HC system.

I'd have to do some research to see how long it took other countries to finally get to Single Payer and what was initially introduced but I think your struggle is very different than it was for most others because of the very near fascist system you have had in place for so long and still have. Plus the media in the US is so corporate slanted its a joke, everyone here pretty well agrees with that - which leaves the general public pretty ignorant, which is purposeful.

I've seen comments that suggest he is a gad fly and that he was not a serious candidate and that he often voted against the good because it is not the perfect. None of those are vile - they are arguable subjective comments that do not attack his character or his integrity. I have seen some push back to Kucinich people here who think almost every other politician is evil, corrupt of owned by corporations - those are vile attacks,

The timing was obvious, and not nefarious in the least.

The one calling him a "little grandstander" is in the ballpark, too.

but I've seen Kucinich supporters post far worse against Obama, Kerry, Hillary .....

I don't endorse that kind of namecalling, but seriously "little grandstander" would be one of the milder attacks on the politicians I named. (Kerry has faced that accusation, though not prefaced by "little" unfairly since the 1980s.) In the overall scheme of things, Kucinich supporters questioning the integrity of almost every other politician - accusing them of being bought is far beyond this.

Ever hear Kucinich supporters used words like "prick", "asshole", "fucker" about Obama---all at the same time, out of nowhere? Just when it so happens that Kucinich's push for single payer, or criticism of the current bill hits the news?

any more than Mr. Kucinch is. I have seen at least the second word used for Obama. Not to mention, these words are almost never used for Kucinich.

Look, I respect Senator Kerry more than any other politician. I notice attacks on him more than on others. To me, this seems just what you are doing here with Kucinich. Just as I am more sensitive and disgusted with attacks on Senator Kerry, you are with attacks on Kucinich. Whether that makes sense to you, I think though knowing how I felt when Senator Kerry was trashed by many, I do understand what you are feeling here.

Though Kucinich's talk infuriated some people here, the language you cite is disgusting.

I respect what you're saying about noticing more when you're sensitive to it. I do believe in confirmation bias and all that. What I'm observing goes beyond that. It reeks of orchestration, in the similarity, timing, and over the top vile nature as illustrated in post 28. That's the kind of thing that sticks out beyond any confirmation bias, which I grant may be a small influence.

in every thread, every time there may be something to it or it could be they all jump in when they see it because they agree. I know I just looked at the op and responded.

He needs to get off the soap box and get on board.

He is a perfectionist in an imperfect world, and if he was astute enough to actually notice, this is how legislation gets written in this country, for good or ill.

I'll take a good start over nothing, any day.

Yeah, I said it. The little fuck can sit back and throw rocks all day without any consequences for his bullshit.

So fuck him. He has no clue about how legislation is really passed. All the little prick can do is throw rhetorical bullshit and make unreasonable demands.

Seriously, what calls for 20-30 people to go after Kucinich so violently, all at the same time like that?

Besides $9 an hour, I mean.

:shrug:

Just trying to knock out a few more that are on their list. ;)

every turn and democrats doing the same for Obama. Obama took glass steagall off the table. Both groups are sheeple.

is into reality and bush was a freaking puppet handled by cheney.

That's the freaking difference.

hmmm, interesting.

But Kucinich can afford to throw bombs. He's guaranteed his seat and he'll never be anything more than his current seat.

Did you ever wonder why Kucinich isn't a part of the Democratic leadership?

Kucinich is to the Democratic Party what Tom Tancredo used to be to the Republicans.

Both sides for the purpose of DK assume the role of the other side. With Obama's supporters going on the attack and DK's supporters going on the defensive. Not that anyone will notice that time makes hypocrites of us all but it still makes me chuckle.

to myself..but, I will defend President Obama from the Kucinich crowd.

Dennis is a pain in the ass.

The Kucinich cheerleaders here have to get over their hero worship and learn to take what they dish out everyday against President Obama.