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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:55 AM
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Ed Shultz is WRONG Obama NEVER in the campaign said he was for Public Option
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 09:58 AM by bigdarryl
All he said was we need health care REFORM Big Ed is lying when he says Obama promised a public option during the 08 Presidential election http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/31/ed-schultz-obama-would-se_n_341136.html
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:05 AM
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1. I saw a commercial this morning that made the same claim...
It was on CNN, but was aimed at Olympia Snowe, but started out by claiming that Obama campaigned for a public option. As you point out, he did not. It's bad enough when the repugs lie about this, but I really hate seeing those on the left doing the same thing.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:07 AM
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2. I think it is up to Ed to prove it with a transcript - it sure wasn't a promise spoken often
Ed better be able to back it up - I generally like him but on big issues he better at least get the facts right otherwise he and FOX share that disregard in common.
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pot luck Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:09 AM
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3. I remember him mentioning the PO multiple times
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 10:10 AM by pot luck
throughout the campaign and him using it to contrast his plan with McCain's. That said, I don't get what Ed is talking about. How is Obama stabbing Reid in the back in regard to the PO? The final bill will have a public option, and Obama has said time and again that he wants one and is happy that the House and Senate are going to include one in the bill. If Obama were trying to get Republican support, he'd direct Pelosi and Reid to ditch the PO altogether. That's the only way he'd get a single Republican vote.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:09 AM
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4. Yeah, he did. He also supported single payer at one time.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:14 AM
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5. LINK!!!! PLEASE
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:39 PM
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33. here from Obama's own campaign web site!
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 04:40 PM by flyarm
from Obama's own Campaign web site:

The Obama Plan

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Quality, Affordable Choices

If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:
Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.
Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.
Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.


** maybe you could have looked it up before calling someone else a liar!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:23 PM
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62. Thank you. And yes they should have looked it up. nt
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #33
65. that just looks like his current website
carrying his current proposal. Not really a campaign site.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:36 AM
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86. That sounds like the current plan that the House passed - is that historical or present day?
I don't know when that information is dated from - is that from his campaign prior to election, or what he is pushing for now that he's been elected?
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:30 AM
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11. He said "If we were starting from scratch" he would be for single payer, however in retrospect
I think most of his health care reform talk was more about *appearing progressive* for election purposes. Same goes with his Iraq/Afghanistan shtick.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:41 PM
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61. He said he was for single payer when he was just a lowly state Senator,
not during the presidential campaign. During the last campaign he was opposed to mandates (except for kids being coverage) now he thinks they're a great idea.

The further up the food chain he moves, the more corporate friendly he becomes.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:38 AM
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87. Mandates are not strickly corporate friendly
I support them as I think it's wrong to have people using the service and not being accounted for (i.e., I pay for it anyway in my premiums.) What do you have against insuring the poor?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:35 AM
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94. Single Payer is like mandates
if they could institute SP we would all pay for it with a tax increase. That is what insures that the system is funded. Mandates are a way of insuring that everyone is paying into the pool, even the healthy.


The the exception of the poor of course, which is always understood.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:40 AM
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95. Yes, it is
...but you won't hear the same people complaining that their taxes went up to subsidize healthcare for others on top of the "medicare" type payroll deduction that would be required for single-payer. I swear - I think some people think single-payer is free or something - lol. It may be free if you're poor - true.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:10 PM
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101. The difference between single payer and mandates
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 01:11 PM by dflprincess
is that, if we're paying into a single payer system, we're more apt to be able to acutally access care than we are if we are paying the same old crooks for the same old "coverage".


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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:44 PM
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104. Oh, I'm all for a single payer system - I'd love to have it
Don't get me wrong, I'd fight tooth and nail for this if it was in the realm of the possible at this point in time. Since it isn't, I'm hoping that we can get a public option that can/will expand going forward. I want what the Republicans fear from this reform - I want it to morph into single-payer. If that's the only realistic possibility for single-payer in the future, then this is a battle I can invest my time in.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:50 PM
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105. Until we get a public option that will actually benefit Americans...
...I will oppose mandates as a scheme to turn the working guy into a pawn of Big Insurance.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:01 PM
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108. Until the earth is hit by a meteor
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 02:02 PM by HughMoran
I will work to create technology that can break it apart before it gets close enough to do damage.

:shrug:

No mandates = millions of uninsured Americans sapping the system dry through unaccounted for hospital expenditures = what we have now.

If you're happy with the status quo, then fight the reform that will eventually have a public option available to most Americans. Read the bill - best I can tell the incentives are there.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:19 PM
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109. If I were happy with the status quo,
I'd support the bill the House dreamed up. What they're "giving" us is nothing but a plan to protect the private companies and their campaign "contributions". Nothing in this plan does anything to move us closer to single payer. If anything, it will move us further away because they public "option" is going to be limited to so few people it appears to be being set up to fail - that way it can be claimed that a government program won't work.

If they had started by allowing the uninsured to opt into Medicare and had created a time table to expand Medicare to anyone who wanted it, then I would have believed they were interested in moving us to single payer.

If we can't have single payer, we would have been better off if they had decided to mimic the system Hawaii has had since the 1970s. Even though that does involve the private crooks, it requires low deductible, low copay plans (that alone is better than the House bill) and Hawaii has nearly if not the lowest health insurance costs in the country and 90% of Hawaiians are coverd by this or other programs.

(BTW - I keep forgetting to tell you, I love your user name. - It always makes me smile.)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:54 PM
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111. I think you may be missing the forest for the trees
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 02:55 PM by HughMoran
I know this isn't a single payer bill, but if you read through the abbreviated version, then get the full details in the appropriate sections, you may find that it's not as bad as you think. There are a lot of provisions that we're taking for granted at this point - these alone will help an awful lot of people. Reforms such as 1)can't deny or remove a sick person from coverage, 2) no pre-existing condition exclusions, 3) "exchanges" that force more competition - even if the public option may not be the best choice - at least there will be choices 4) allowing people like me who work in a small business to keep their Cobra coverage until the exchanges are set up. There are more good aspects to the bill - just a few highlights that I can remember there. I can't imagine anything being worse than $40k/yr family coverage that breaks both me and my company owner. I want a job AND insurance, not no job DUE TO insurance costs (and then, therefore, no insurance.) How does a small company like mine hire a person who needs family insurance? Answer: we don't.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 03:52 PM
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113. The out of pockets (aka "cost-sharing") permited in this bill are so
high, there will still be many people who can't afford care because they have to pay for it out of pocket until they hit the $5K (single) or $10K (family) annual out of pocket cap*.

In additon the bill will allow premiums equal to up to 11% of income. If you're a single person making $43,000 that puts you at 4x the poverty level (though there has been talk of lowering it to 3x or $32,500 for a single) so you get no subsidies and your premium could be nearly $400/month. Plus the $5K out of pocket before you see any claims paid other than preventative care and the "incidentals" that this won't cover - like dental and vision.

As we learned from "Sicko" you don't have to be without insurance to be without care and this bill won't change that.


*(The bill also has provision for both this cap and the premium amount to go up annually to keep pace with inflation. No requirements that you income also must keep pace with inflation.)
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:12 PM
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102. I would rather the poor (as well as the rest of us) get access to care
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 01:14 PM by dflprincess
not access to insurance.

Though many of the poor already have access through Medicaid, Medicare and other government programs.

It's those just over the income limits and the middle class who do not have access to employer based coverage that don't have insurance.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #102
115. that is true
Single Payer would be the best solution.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:38 PM
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20. During the campaign? He did not. He said he was for Universal..but
not single payer.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:33 PM
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27. Yup, that he did. People just like putting words in his mouth. n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:17 PM
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45. go read his web site..please..you are embarrassing yourself!

from Obama's own Campaign web site:

The Obama Plan

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Quality, Affordable Choices

If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:
Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.
Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.
Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:46 PM
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48. You're embarassing yourself. You know how to read right? Where does it say "single payer"? n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 06:18 PM
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52. he didn't he said :
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.

from his own web site on what he was campaigning for and offering in his presidency.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:21 PM
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55. Then why are you commenting to my post. Get a clue before you post....
I am responding and agreeing to this poster:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8726435&mesg_id=8726872

Who said:
During the campaign? He did not. He said he was for Universal..but not single payer.


Who happens to be correct. The above person was responding to this individual...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8726435&mesg_id=8726447


Who said this:
Yeah, he did. He also supported single payer at one time.


And the other person on this thread that you commented too was replying to the above statement.

Which is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8726435&mesg_id=8726449
LINK!! PLEASE


But the link you provided was for the Public Option, not the link the person as demanding which was where Obama had campaigned on single payer.

Hence the reason I asked if you can read. If you were able to read and understand whatwas being said, all of us was saying that the topic of the thread was what he ran on. All of us said he ran on the Public option or universal health care, NONE OF US agreed that he ran on single payer. Which was what was being state by the above poster. He said so long before he was ran as President and actually stated that if the nation could start from scratch. You on the other want to push something, but I have no idea what it is...and you keep putting things in bold, red and large print to make a point we ALL already knew and were arguing was the case.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. actually I am sorry for my reply to you , it was unnessesary and rude on my part and i apologize.
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 07:15 PM by flyarm
sincerely..it wasn't nice of me and was out of line , and i apologize..i was taking out on you something someone had just posted to me that was unkind and rude and it wasn't fair of me or or kind or objective.

sorry ..fly
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #54
63. i shed a single tear for such civility
:)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #45
89. What is the date of that website?
I can't be sure that's not been updated since he was elected - it sounds like the House plan.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
26. We're talking about Campaign promises...not before the campaign.
Secondly, Obama came out and said againt that if he lived in a perfect world (he said this a few months ago) he wished we could have single payer, but as it is we have to work with what we got. He said that in the video before as well.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:14 AM
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6. The only thing I know is if Obama doesn't fight for a public option, HE IS WRONG, and there will be
consequences


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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
29. This sound scary
I'm sure this will make you fight, because he clearly isn't fighting now. I know that because i heard it on ED show.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #6
66. Dude elaborate on the "consequences" usage...b/c it sounds like a threat to the President. n/t
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #66
74. What reason do you have to suspect the poster meant....
anything more than political/electoral consequences?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #74
96. We've got crazies from all sides of the fence.
And especially considering the climate we're in, in regards to this statement...and the fact that it has been reported the SS is swamped...I'd be careful by anything anyone says, especially since I'm asking for elaboration.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #96
114. No argument there, buddy.
No doubt but that more people want Obama's blood than any other president since Lincoln. It's sobering.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:16 AM
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7. Obama never fought for Medicare for All or a strong public option.

That's because the insurance industry is against it.
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majamay Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:18 AM
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8. Yes, he did (link)
The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and meet the same standards for quality and efficiency. Insurers would be required to justify an above-average premium increase to the Exchange. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, transparent."


http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/518/create-public-option-health-plan-new-national-heal/

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:23 AM
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9. Shame on you for using facts against raging rants. n/t
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:26 AM
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10. Welcome to DU! nt
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:04 PM
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17. No he didn't fight for a strong public option and isn't doing so now! Links please.

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majamay Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:14 PM
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19. You're raising the bar with a strawman
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 12:16 PM by majamay
We are discussing whether Obama ever said he was for a public option.

Faced with the evidence, you now talk about "fighting for a strong public option," which is not what this thread is about.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:29 PM
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25. OK So he's fighting for a weak public option?
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 03:33 PM by Better Believe It
He's never said that. He's never indicated what kind of specific public option he favors to my knowledge so any general statement about "prefering" some sort of public option is all but meaningless. It's like President Obama saying he favors an affordable health care system as opposed to one that is not affordable.

So what's your point? Do you really think President Obama would try to turn more people against his administration by denouncing any kind of public option and advocating expensive, unaffordable health care?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:59 PM
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41. read his own Campaign web site dang it! here since you won't look it up!
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 04:59 PM by flyarm
from Obama's own Campaign web site:

The Obama Plan

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Quality, Affordable Choices

If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:
Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.
Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.
Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

and let me add.look at his video's during the campaign.

Healthcare FLASHBACKS (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html

I'm going to listen to everybody. We'll have the doctors and the nurses and the members of Congress and patient advocates. I'll have the insurance and drug companies at the table. They just won't be able to buy every chair. And we will... And I'll be at the table. I'll have the biggest chair, because I'm president. If people have other ideas and I don't assume that I've got every single idea. It can be improved and I want input. We're going to have to make some compromises.

But here's the thing. We're going to do all these negotiations on C-SPAN.

The American people will be able to watch these negotiations so if they start seeing a member of Congress who is carrying the water for the drug companies instead of for their constituents and says, 'Oh, you no. we can't negotiate for the cheapest available price on drugs because the drug companies need these profits to invest in research and development', I'll say, 'OK, let me bring my health care expert in here'. And on TV, we'll ask my health care expert, 'What do you think about what the drug companies are saying?'

And what that drug expert will undoubtedly say is 'Well, drug companies do need some profits to invest in research and development but a lot of what they're calling research and development is actually marketing costs for some of these TV ads you see' ... where everybody is, you have all these people dancing in fields, looking all happy. You don't know what the drug is for. Right? Except for that one drug, you know what that's for. You know what that one is for.

Anyway, you get my point. Open this. Transparency. You will hold me accountable, you will hold Congress accountable. That's how we'll get welfare... uh health care reform passed.



Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

then look at what we are getting>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6902415

The Two Percent Robustness
by david swanson
Imagine public elections in which 2 percent are allowed to vote and Diebold gets to nominate the candidates. Or public parks with guest lists of 2 percent of the public, and private prisons for anyone else who tries to enter. Or how about public schools serving 2 percent of children with fully televised lessons broken up by commercials promoting illiteracy? Welcome to the world of the robust public option.

At first the "public option" was to be a massive but less-than-universal healthcare plan that would prove so efficient and effective that over several years the public would all opt into it. It was a backdoor to a civilized system of Medicare for all. Now what's left of it? Now it's a public option for 2 percent of Americans, and in some states 0 percent, to be run by private corporations, with prices set to avoid any efficiency or competition for the wasteful health insurance companies.

Is that better than nothing? No, it's worse, because this pathetic scam of a healthcare plan is plastered like lipstick on a pig to a bailout for the health insurance corporations. (Sure, the bill contains some reforms to the insurance corporations' practices, but that's like trying to reform piranhas.) And when the healthcare crisis continues to worsen in the coming years, the blame will be placed on the nearly nonexistent public option, thus justifying making things even worse, if possible. And the same bill goes out of its way to prevent states from solving the problem on their own, allowing them to opt out of the perverse public option (opting into which would hardly be noticeable anyway) but denying states the ability to create real healthcare funding for their residents. Congressman Kucinich's amendment to remedy this has been stripped out by Speaker Pelosi.

Now, enough House Democrats have publicly committed to voting No on any bill this bad, that it could not pass. On July 30th 57 of them signed a letter saying that any bill without a public option based on Medicare rates would be unacceptable. And therefore, this bill would be dead, and we could go into round 2 with a stronger demand for a bill that might actually save a significant number of lives. And we could move ahead on easy steps, like busting monopoly protections, passing the Kucinich amendment, and passing reforms proposed by Senator Sanders. That is, we could imagine all such scenarios if you could trust a progressive member of Congress as far as you could throw one. And some of them are pretty robust, if you know what I mean.

Sadly, these people's word is as trustworthy as the promises of a health insurance company. (And when they prove that yet again, you can forget about progressive legislation or action on any issue in the months and years to come.) And most so-called progressive and labor organizations don't even want to ask them to keep their word. So-called citizens' groups, now actually taking their directives from the very people they pretend to lobby, are so obsessed with passing any sort of bill, that the content of the bill is virtually irrelevant. I say virtually, because the collective decision is that it must contain something or other that can be mislabeled a "public option." Other than that, it could sentence millions of Americans to death, and it would still be fine and dandy. And that is exactly what it does.

And why is a bill better than no bill? Why is a bill that funds absolutely useless parasites like health insurance companies at the expense of our grandchildren's unearned pay better than nothing? Why -- when blocking a bill would almost guarantee a better debate in round 2 -- is it more important to pass the bill and close off the opportunity for valuable reform? Is there nothing this bill could do that would lead you to oppose it? If the senate turns the "public option" into something that does not even exist until possibly "triggered" years from now, then will you oppose the bill? But the public option barely exists in the House version either. Why wait until the last minute to pointlessly pretend you oppose this pig?

Why not speak up now wen it might make a difference? Why not at least demand No votes unless the Kucinich amendment is restored?

Silence is not speech.

War is not peace.

Illness is not health.

And 2 percent is not robust or public or an option.

http://www.davidswanson.org


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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:38 PM
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58. You have posted the evidence that Obama supported a PO during the campaign
multiple times on this thread now. And the Obama apologists who want to ignore the facts are still arguing that he never supported the PO during the campaign. Totally pathetic.
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Garam_Masala Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:01 AM
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70. Congrats on Fantastic research and detailed informative post n/t
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majamay Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:55 PM
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50. The OP's statement concerns a public option, regardless of whether it's weak or strong
We are trying to answer one question: "Did candidate Obama ever say that he wanted a public option?

The answer is yes.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:33 AM
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64. i can already tell im going to like you
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:36 AM
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12. I remember he campaigned strongly oppposed to personal
mandates, specifically attacking Clinton for supporting the idea. Now he supports mandates. So I'm not sure the 'what he said in the campaign' routine has much validity unless he's really going to hold to all he said during the campaign.
People who have bald heads should not suggest splitting hairs.

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:54 AM
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13. Obama did campaign on the public option, in part
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 10:55 AM by Zodiak
But it doesn't really matter, really, because no president in history is ever given a pass on criticism based only on what they campaigned.

That's like a meteor heading towards the planet, and the president does nothing about it at all because "he didn't campaign on space policy". Would people shrug their shoulders concedeing the point and accept their fate without criticism? Hell no!

He campaigned to be the leader, and now he is the leader....what results from his leadership, good or bad, is what is going to be used to judge him....not what he campaigned on.

This "you can't criticize him because he didn't campaign on it" meme that pops up EVERY time Obama is criticized is not an intellectually honest argument at all (and it's corollary, that the criticizer is a great fool for believing in something that the campaign was DESIGNED to make people believe in) ....just more chaff thrown out there in the hopes of deflecting criticism.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:03 PM
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42. not "IN PART" he campaigned on it..it was on his camapaign web site for all to read and see
what he said he stood for and what he was going to do!

go read the web site..i have it posted on this thread!

He campaigned against Hillary and mandates that he now supports..it was very heated aand nasty campaigning he did against Hillary on the mandates..
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:39 AM
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67. thats the current OFA website you keep linking to.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:45 AM
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73. it has been in my files since Sept 2008.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:47 AM
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81. the link or the pdf?
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 09:22 AM by mkultra
you have been storing a campaign doc for 2 years?

Here is what politico said in that very article..


"Well, no. We looked in our Obameter database for a promise the public option and couldn't find one.

We were surprised at first. After all, in recent days it feels like we hear the term "public option" a million times.

We are now adding a promise on the public option to our database. But make no mistake: The public option was rarely debated or even mentioned on the campaign trail. When we dug into the campaign record, we found the concept didn't receive much scrutiny prior to this summer."
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:52 PM
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106. "In part"...meaning it was part of his plan
He also proposed a lot of other things in addition to the PO. I am not saying "sliver" or "insignificant amount"....I said "part", which could even be greater than 50% of the whole.

Please do not over-react to a word that was entirely appropriate to use.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:35 AM
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14. Here is a link to the health care plan Obama campaigned on which DEFINITELY included a public plan
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 11:37 AM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
Sometimes DU is just one giant Groundhog Day where people discuss the same things over and over. There were HUGE discussions of his plan during the primaries and the general. HIs public plan was supposed to be "similar to Medicare" which is why one oft repeated comment and refrain here has always been, why "similar" to Medicare, why not just Medicare. Anyway Ed Schultz is right and you are mistaken.

Here is the link to the Obama/Biden Healthcare plan promoted heavily during the campaign and then relegated to the dustheap the day after like it never existed and Obama set out to recreate the wheel, with lots of help from the "stakeholders" while banishing single payer from the discussion.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues/HealthCareFullPlan.pdf

(2) NEW AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH INSURANCE OPTIONS. The Obama-Biden plan will create a
National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals purchase new affordable health care options if they are
uninsured or want new health insurance. Through the Exchange, any American will have the opportunity to
enroll in the new public plan or an approved private plan, and income-based sliding scale tax credits will be

provided for people and families who need it. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy and charge
fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans
offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and meet the same standards for quality and efficiency.
Insurers would be required to justify an above-average premium increase to the Exchange. The Exchange
would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, transparent.

*****************************************************************************
Sorry, didn't notice post #8 with the link as well before posting. But here it is again anyway.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 11:54 AM
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15. Google is your friend - use it
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 11:55 AM by GCP
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:02 PM
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16. He shore can give a great speech though.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 12:09 PM
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18. Dashels exchange proposal was Obamas po during the primaries
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 02:46 PM
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21. Obama talked about offering up what Members of congress have.....
which isn't a PO, apart from the fact that it is the public that pays for their salaries, as well, their Benefits. The exchange is what he referred to more than anything....

But then Big Ed is known to go with unnamed sources and such, so it appears that accuracy is not his biggest draw.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:03 PM
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22. So you didn't see this?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:10 PM
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44. seems to me accuracy was his strongest point..Ed was 100% right!
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 05:14 PM by flyarm
and the op is 100% wrong.

and the OP didn't say what Ed's source was..but it isn't difficult to look at Obama's web site and see it in clear language in print ..it was on Obama's own campaign web site.It took me less than a minute to find it!

from Obama's own Campaign web site:

The Obama Plan

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Quality, Affordable Choices

If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:
Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.
Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.
Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.
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JohnnyK Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:13 PM
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23. Shame on bigdarryl - this was cleared up on Chris Matthews weeks ago...
Why would somebody post that someone is wrong based on a guess or their recollection when all it takes is two minutes of research? Has bigdarryl never heard of YouTube or Google?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:36 PM
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28. And even if bigdarryl is right, how does that make Obama a better president?
I fail to see how promising to do the wrong thing from the start is any better than just doing the wrong thing. Either way we get screwed.
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JohnnyK Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 03:20 PM
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24. John Amato wrote about this 2 weeks ago...
John Amato:

Tweety sez Obama didn't campaign on the public option. He's WRONG and needs to apologize!
But President Obama did campaign on the public option., It was part of his health-care plan that he unveiled in the primaries. I asked Ezra Klein to verify it for me and he did.

Berkeley's Jacob Hacker, who was the first to persuasively articulate it; to the Economic Policy Institute, which fleshed out the specifics; and to the Campaign for America's Future, which took the lead in selling it to advocacy groups and the presidential campaigns. John Edwards picked it up and made it central to his proposal, and the other candidates followed suit to protect their left flanks.

And I found that Paul Krugman has it also.

The idea of letting individuals buy insurance from a government-run plan was introduced in 2007 by Jacob Hacker of Yale, was picked up by John Edwards during the Democratic primary, and became part of the original Obama health care plan.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:05 PM
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30. I am going to K&R this, hoping people will read....
...the whole thread.
There is a persistent effort to re-write history underway, even at DU.

Unfortunately, I am cursed with a memory.
Obama did indeed campaign on a "Public Option like Medicare" available to anyone who chooses it.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:43 PM
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37. amazing isn't it, and they have the nerve to call others liars without even checking documentation!
revisonism was a ploy of of the previous adminstration bots as well! If i remember correctly..and surely i do!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:05 PM
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43. +1 Too many people continue to delude themselves ... they WANT to believe the image ...
while denying and/or spinning the ugly truth.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:07 PM
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31. OP better read this..! look here >>>
http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/09/10/yes-obama-campaigned-on-a-public-option/

Yes, Obama Campaigned on a Public Option
By: Jane Hamsher Thursday September 10, 2009 10:18 am

I'm not sure exactly what Chuck Todd is trying to prove here:

he speech also will be a failure if progressives -- Obama’s second audience tonight -- are still obsessing over the public option a week from now. We've said this before and we'll say it again: Obama never made the public option the focus of his health-care ideas, in the primaries or in general election. In fact, he never uttered the words "public option" or "public plan" in his big campaign speeches on health care. But there is no doubt that the public option has fired up the left, and how he sells them near-universal coverage and lower costs -- even if it means no public plan -- could very well be the trickiest part of tonight's speech.

From the Obama '08 campaign document, "Barack Obama's Plan for a Healthy America" (PDF):

The Obama plan both builds upon and improves our current insurance system, upon which most Americans continue to rely, and leaves Medicare intact for older and disabled Americans. The Obama plan also addresses the large gaps in coverage that leave 45 million Americans uninsured. Specifically, the Obama plan will: (1) establish a new public insurance program available to Americans who neither qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP nor have access to insurance through their employers, as well as to small businesses that want to offer insurance to their employees; (2) make available the National Health Insurance Exchange to help Americans and businesses that want to purchase private health insurance directly; (3) require all employers to contribute towards health coverage for their employees; (4) mandate all children have health care coverage; (5) expand Medicaid and SCHIP to cover more of the least well-off among us; and (6) allow state flexibility for state health reform plans.

I'm not quite sure how that jibes with "never made it the focus of his health care ideas," but YMMV.

But if the DC wags think that the base is going to get over its "fixation" on a public option in a week, I seriously doubt it. Here's Rasmusssen from yesterday:

One major challenge is that while most voters oppose the legislation with or without a so-called “public option, that option is essential to supporters. In fact, without the inclusion of a government-run health insurance company to compete with private insurers, enthusiasm for the reform plan collapses among Democrats.

Mind you the polling data is from mid-August, well before the speech, but I doubt he moved that needle much:

Without the public option, just 50% of Democrats support the legislation. That’s down from 69% support measured a week ago. But here the enthusiasm gap is especially strong. A week ago, polling found that 44% of Democrats Strongly favored the reform plan. Without the public option, just 12% of Democrats Strongly support it.

Instead, he's trying to exploit this:

A cautionary note should be issued on this topic: It’s likely that there is no common understanding of just what the public option is at this point in time.

Obama says he will include a public option in his health care plan, but stipulates that co-ops or triggers could satisfy his definition. But 179 members of Congress signed on to HCAN's health care principles, which explicitly define a "public option" as not co-ops or triggers. It's not going to be easy to walk that one back without completely demoralizing the base and potentially suppressing 2010 turnout just like the passage of NAFTA did in 2004.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #31
79. As I said--it is the Daschel language that was used in the
campaign. thanks
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:36 PM
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32. from Obama's own Campaign web site:
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 04:38 PM by flyarm
from Obama's own Campaign web site:

The Obama Plan

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

Quality, Affordable Choices

If You Don’t Have Insurance, the Obama Plan:
Creates a new insurance marketplace — the Exchange — that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices.
Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance.
Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering employees.
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
Immediately offers new, low-cost coverage through a national “high risk” pool to protect people with preexisting conditions from financial ruin until the new Exchange is created.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:40 PM
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34. public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 04:41 PM by FrenchieCat
Doesn't say everyone.....
Doesn't even say anyone, just the uninsured and those who can't afford private insurance.

I think that is the PO that is in the House bill, no?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:44 PM
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39. no it is not unless you think only 2% of Americans are the only uninsured ..
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 04:52 PM by flyarm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6902415

The Two Percent Robustness
by david swanson
Imagine public elections in which 2 percent are allowed to vote and Diebold gets to nominate the candidates. Or public parks with guest lists of 2 percent of the public, and private prisons for anyone else who tries to enter. Or how about public schools serving 2 percent of children with fully televised lessons broken up by commercials promoting illiteracy? Welcome to the world of the robust public option.

At first the "public option" was to be a massive but less-than-universal healthcare plan that would prove so efficient and effective that over several years the public would all opt into it. It was a backdoor to a civilized system of Medicare for all. Now what's left of it? Now it's a public option for 2 percent of Americans, and in some states 0 percent, to be run by private corporations, with prices set to avoid any efficiency or competition for the wasteful health insurance companies.

Is that better than nothing? No, it's worse, because this pathetic scam of a healthcare plan is plastered like lipstick on a pig to a bailout for the health insurance corporations. (Sure, the bill contains some reforms to the insurance corporations' practices, but that's like trying to reform piranhas.) And when the healthcare crisis continues to worsen in the coming years, the blame will be placed on the nearly nonexistent public option, thus justifying making things even worse, if possible. And the same bill goes out of its way to prevent states from solving the problem on their own, allowing them to opt out of the perverse public option (opting into which would hardly be noticeable anyway) but denying states the ability to create real healthcare funding for their residents. Congressman Kucinich's amendment to remedy this has been stripped out by Speaker Pelosi.

Now, enough House Democrats have publicly committed to voting No on any bill this bad, that it could not pass. On July 30th 57 of them signed a letter saying that any bill without a public option based on Medicare rates would be unacceptable. And therefore, this bill would be dead, and we could go into round 2 with a stronger demand for a bill that might actually save a significant number of lives. And we could move ahead on easy steps, like busting monopoly protections, passing the Kucinich amendment, and passing reforms proposed by Senator Sanders. That is, we could imagine all such scenarios if you could trust a progressive member of Congress as far as you could throw one. And some of them are pretty robust, if you know what I mean.

Sadly, these people's word is as trustworthy as the promises of a health insurance company. (And when they prove that yet again, you can forget about progressive legislation or action on any issue in the months and years to come.) And most so-called progressive and labor organizations don't even want to ask them to keep their word. So-called citizens' groups, now actually taking their directives from the very people they pretend to lobby, are so obsessed with passing any sort of bill, that the content of the bill is virtually irrelevant. I say virtually, because the collective decision is that it must contain something or other that can be mislabeled a "public option." Other than that, it could sentence millions of Americans to death, and it would still be fine and dandy. And that is exactly what it does.

And why is a bill better than no bill? Why is a bill that funds absolutely useless parasites like health insurance companies at the expense of our grandchildren's unearned pay better than nothing? Why -- when blocking a bill would almost guarantee a better debate in round 2 -- is it more important to pass the bill and close off the opportunity for valuable reform? Is there nothing this bill could do that would lead you to oppose it? If the senate turns the "public option" into something that does not even exist until possibly "triggered" years from now, then will you oppose the bill? But the public option barely exists in the House version either. Why wait until the last minute to pointlessly pretend you oppose this pig?

Why not speak up now wen it might make a difference? Why not at least demand No votes unless the Kucinich amendment is restored?

Silence is not speech.

War is not peace.

Illness is not health.

And 2 percent is not robust or public or an option.

http://www.davidswanson.org
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:19 PM
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46. that is not what this thread is about..the op said Ed Shutlz lied..he did not!
that is what this thread is about.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:41 PM
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35. LOL! Figures.
How many times has this bogus claim that "Obama never promised a public option" been floated around here? And here it's right on his own website.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:42 PM
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36. But a PO is in the health bill proposal, both in the house and the senate....
So what's the big beef? :shrug:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:43 PM
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38. Ask the OP.
He's the one getting on Ed Schulz' case about public option.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:44 PM
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110. A public option that only covers 2% is neither public nor much of an option.
I am extremely underwhelmed by what's been put out so far. I don't see it being improved during the deliberations.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 04:48 PM
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40. Healthcare FLASHBACKS (w/VIDEO) Huffingtonpost
Healthcare FLASHBACKS (VIDEO)
Huffpost - Healthcare FLASHBACKS (VIDEO) stumble reddit del.ico.us

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/09/flashback-obama-promises_n_254833.html
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:34 PM
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47. Looks like Ed Shultz is RIGHT and you are wrong
I see a lot of evidence from this thread, links in this thread, that he supported a public option.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:53 PM
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majamay Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 05:57 PM
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51. Some people recommend a lie if it tells them what they want to hear n/t
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 06:00 PM by majamay
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 06:25 PM
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53. I believe itis better to let it stand so others that try to repeat the same lipstick on a pig will
think twice about repeating this crap!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 07:50 PM
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56. There are sharks everywhere and Big Ed is jumping all of them. NT
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 08:19 PM
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57. Not on this issue. Read the tread.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:03 AM
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76. "Get Lost TROLL. Go wave to your pizza buddies up close now asshat."
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 08:08 AM by joeycola
Various threads upstream point to posts that document what Obama said is my point. That was my point.

There was no need for the very rude response to my simple typo.


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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:13 AM
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77. off your meds I see. Holy CRAP
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:10 PM
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59. Go ahead. tell the voters they are stupid for having voted for HOPE
They voted hoping for universal health care, among many things. But you and the rest of the apologists go ahead and tell the voters they were stupid for having voted for their hopes and aspirations for a better future. Good luck next election, because you are on your own buddy!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 09:36 PM
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60. I wish that when obvious factual errors are the major part of an OP that the mods would lock it.
Is all factual history subject to interpretation?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:46 AM
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68. so everyone is linking to the current OFA webstite...
claiming it is the campaign website? Is it me or doesn't that just seem like his current plan? Can anyone point to an actual document from the campaign?

Im not saying your wrong, i would just like to see some actual evidence that this guy is wrong.
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majamay Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:00 AM
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69. That plan was posted there before election day, obviously
And here is a New York Times article on a speech given by Obama in May, 2007:

In the biggest domestic policy proposal so far of his presidential campaign, Mr. Obama, the Illinois Democrat, said he would rely on a combination of the existing employer-based system and a new government program to make health insurance accessible to everyone. He also promised to reduce the cost of health insurance by helping with expenditures for catastrophic illnesses that are a major factor in driving up employers’ rates.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=print
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:02 AM
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71. well, thats fine, but what your linking to is not campaign material
its current day material. And the article could easily be talking about the exchange program which is really what he campaigned on in majority. Again, im not saying your wrong, you just haven't presented any credible references.
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majamay Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:22 AM
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72. Your claim that the document is not campaign material is contradicted by Politifact.com
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 01:38 AM by majamay
Several points.

1) Politifact.com, the pullitzer-prize winning website that keeps track of campaign promises, describe the document as follows:

"In looking into the public option's history, we first turned to Obama's health plan from the campaign. The public option doesn't merit even a bullet point in that document. It's mentioned in passing, and most prominently on page 5 under the heading, "New, affordable, accessible health insurance options."

So in order for your assertion to be true, Politifact.com must be lying.

2) You apparently assume that the New York Times lied as well, when it reported in 2007 (link provided by me earlier) that Obama had said in an Iowa City speech that he was proposing a public option.

3) Here's the text of the speech above-mentioned: http://www.asksam.com/ebooks/releases.asp?file=Obama-Speeches.ask&dn=Cutting%20Costs%20%26%20Covering%20America%3a%20A%2021st%20Century%20Health%20Care%20System

Let's see the relevant portion:


Everyone will be able buy into a new health insurance plan that's similar to the one that every federal employee - from a postal worker in Iowa to a Congressman in Washington - currently has for themselves. It will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity, disease management, and mental health care. And it will also include high standards for quality and efficiency.

If you cannot afford this insurance, you will receive a subsidy to pay for it. If you have children, they will be covered. If you change jobs, your insurance will go with you. If you need to see a doctor, you will not have to wait in long lines for one. If you want more choices, you will also have the option of purchasing a number of affordable private plans that have similar benefits and standards for quality and efficiency.


Finally, a question: Could you link us to the campaign health plan proposed by Barack Obama, if it's not the one posted in Barackobama.com?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:45 AM
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80. im not saying they are lying but perhaps wrong
i can certainly point you to his current plan which can be found at the Obama for America website. barackobama.com under issue. Which is exactly where your/politico gets its link.


the text of the speech is better. Even though i would point out that it could also be referring to exchanges as opposed to the public option.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:14 AM
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82. FDL has this in which Obama memtioned the PO as part of the National
Edited on Mon Nov-02-09 09:35 AM by joeycola
Exchange (which is a Sen. Daschel concept). She has posted the original PDF file from the campaign also.

edit to add the correct link.


http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/09/10/yes-obama-campaigned-on-a-public-option/
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:21 AM
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83. even politico thinks its a stretch to call this a campaign promise
"Well, no. We looked in our Obameter database for a promise the public option and couldn't find one.

We were surprised at first. After all, in recent days it feels like we hear the term "public option" a million times.

We are now adding a promise on the public option to our database. But make no mistake: The public option was rarely debated or even mentioned on the campaign trail. When we dug into the campaign record, we found the concept didn't receive much scrutiny prior to this

summer."
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:23 AM
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84. you may be surpised to learn this but..
giving me the location of a shortcut file on your desktop doesn't actually give me the URL location. I don't have access to your C drive.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:34 AM
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85. Sorry, my mistake. This one will take
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:30 AM
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91. very interesting, heres what has me confused though
that pdf people keep talking about looks like the one currently available at OFA. So I'm wondering if everyone is not echo chambering from this one document.

Not that i really care. My recollection is that he talked about insurance reform and i always thought that a national plan was part of that concept. I don't remember him ever saying "public option" but fail to see why that's even important. Are we debating it because that douche Chuck Todd made that statement?
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majamay Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:35 AM
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93. 1) It's not Politico. It's Politifact. 2) They did not say it's a stretch
They said Obama rarely mentioned the public option.

But in this thread we seek to find out whether he "never" said it during the campaign.

And obviously, Politifact added the public option as campaign promise #518. It is a promise.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 10:22 AM
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116. to be accurate, he never said public option
he said a national plan.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 08:21 AM
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78. obama sucks geitner sucks pelosi sucks reid sucks they all SUCK
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:15 AM
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90. Yeap, I wish McKKKlan and Palin were running things, everything would be 100% better now
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:31 AM
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92. +1 fuck democrats
republicans rule!
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 09:41 AM
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88. I don't recall a campaign "promise" for a public option, either.
Congressional support is tenuous, at best, even for a quarter-assed private option they call public.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 11:20 AM
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98. But, indeed he and Joe did.....
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:12 PM
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99. I'm only questioning whether this counts as a "promise."
It would have been foolish indeed to to have guaranteed that such a thing would get through Congress.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 12:43 PM
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100. Yes, I see his campaign health plan as a promise to the American people....
I am only able to download a text version.

But the pretty version can be found at:


http://www.scribd.com/doc/6385377/Barack-Obamas-Healthcare-Full-Plan

BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN’S PLAN TO LOWER HEALTH CARE COSTS
AND ENSURE AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH COVERAGE FOR ALL


BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN’S PLAN TO LOWER HEALTH CARE COSTS
AND ENSURE AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH COVERAGE FOR ALL


Health care costs are skyrocketing. Health insurance premiums have doubled in the last 8 years, rising 3.7
times faster than wages in the past 8 years, and increasing co-pays and deductibles threaten access to care.1
Many insurance plans cover only a limited number of doctors’ visits or hospital days, exposing families to
unlimited financial liability. Over half of all personal bankruptcies today are caused by medical bills.2 Lack of
affordable health care is compounded by serious flaws in our health care delivery system. About 100,000
Americans die from medical errors in hospitals every year.3 One-quarter of all medical spending goes to
administrative and overhead costs, and reliance on antiquated paper-based record and information systems
needlessly increases these costs.4

Tens of millions of Americans are uninsured because of rising costs. Over 45 million Americans5—
including over 8 million children6—lack health insurance. Eighty percent of the uninsured are in working
families.7 Even those with health coverage are struggling to cope with soaring medical costs. Skyrocketing
health care costs are making it increasingly difficult for employers, particularly small businesses, to provide
health insurance to their employees.

Underinvestment in prevention and public health. Too many Americans go without high-value preventive
services, such as cancer screening and immunizations to protect against flu or pneumonia. The nation faces
epidemics of obesity and chronic diseases as well as new threats of pandemic flu and bioterrorism. Yet despite
all of this less than 4 cents of every health care dollar is spent on prevention and public health.8 Our health care
system has become a disease care system, and the time for change is well overdue.

OBAMA-BIDEN PLAN TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH CARE TO ALL

Barack Obama and Joe Biden’s plan strengthens employer–based coverage, makes insurance companies
accountable and ensures patient choice of doctor and care without government interference. Under the plan, if
you like your current health insurance, nothing changes, except your costs will go down by as much as $2,500
per year. If you don’t have health insurance, you will have a choice of new, affordable health insurance
options.


!
Inefficient and poor quality care costs the nation at least $50 to $100 billion every year.9 Billions more are
wasted on administration and overhead because of inefficiencies in the health care system.10 And given current
trends, this problem will only get worse as health care spending is expected to double within the next decade.11
A growing body of research points to substantial opportunities to improve quality while reducing the costs of
care. Health care systems in many parts of the country deliver high quality care to the populations they serve at
half the cost of other equally renowned academic medical centers in other parts of the country.12 The key is to
provide information, incentives and support to help physicians and others work together to improve quality of
care while reducing costs.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe we must redesign our health system to reduce inefficiency and waste and
improve health care quality, which will drive down costs for families and individuals. The Obama-Biden plan
will improve efficiency and lower costs in the health care system by: (1) adopting state-of-the-art health
information technology systems; (2) ensuring that patients receive and providers deliver the best possible care,
including prevention and chronic disease management services; (3) reforming our market structure to increase
competition; and offering federal reinsurance to employers to help ensure that unexpected or catastrophic
illnesses do not make health insurance unaffordable or out of reach for businesses and their employees.
(1) INVEST IN ELECTRONIC HEALTH INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS. Most medical records are still
stored on paper, which makes them difficult to use to coordinate care, measure quality, or reduce medical errors.
Processing paper claims also costs twice as much as processing electronic claims.13 Barack Obama and Joe
Biden will invest $10 billion a year over the next five years to move the U.S. health care system to broad
adoption of standards-based electronic health information systems, including electronic health records. They
will also phase in requirements for full implementation of health IT and commit the necessary federal resources
to make it happen. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will ensure that these systems are developed in coordination
with providers and frontline workers, including those in rural and underserved areas. Barack Obama and Joe
Biden will ensure that patients’ privacy is protected. A study by the Rand Corporation found that if most
hospitals and doctors offices adopted electronic health records, up to $77 billion of savings would be realized
each year through improvements such as reduced hospital stays, avoidance of duplicative and unnecessary
testing, more appropriate drug utilization, and other efficiencies.14
(2) IMPROVE ACCESS TO PREVENTION AND PROVEN DISEASE MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS. Experts agree that
several steps should be taken immediately to help patients get the care they need and to help providers improve
medical practice. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will expand and support these and other efforts to lower costs
and improve health outcomes.
HELP PATIENTS
! Support disease management programs. Over seventy-five percent of total health care dollars are
spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease, and high blood
pressure.15 Many patients with chronic diseases benefit greatly from disease management programs,
which help patients manage their condition and get the care they need.16 Barack Obama and Joe Biden
will require that plans that participate in the new public plan, Medicare or the Federal Employee Health
Benefits Program (FEHBP) utilize proven disease management programs. This will improve quality of
care and lower costs, as well.
LOWER COSTS TO MAKE OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM
WORK FOR PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES – NOT JUST
INSURANCE COMPANIES

! Coordinate and integrate care. Rates of chronic diseases have skyrocketed in the last 2 decades.17
Over 133 million Americans have at least one chronic disease.18 With proper care, the onset and
progression of these diseases can be contained for many years. In addition to the needless suffering and
early death they cause, these chronic conditions cost a staggering $1.7 trillion yearly.19 Barack Obama
and Joe Biden will support providers to put in place care management programs and encourage team
care through implementation of medical home type models that will improve coordination and
integration of care of those with chronic conditions.
! Require full transparency regarding quality and costs. Health care quality and costs can vary
tremendously among hospitals and providers; however, patients have limited access to this
information.20 Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require hospitals and providers to collect and publicly
report measures of health care costs and quality, including data on preventable medical errors, nurse
staffing ratios, hospital-acquired infections, and disparities in care and costs. Health plans will be
required to disclose the percentage of premiums that actually goes to paying for patient care as opposed
to administrative costs.
ENSURE PROVIDERS DELIVER QUALITY CARE
! Promote patient safety. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require providers to report preventable
medical errors, and support hospital and physician practice improvement to prevent future errors.
! Align incentives for excellence. Both public and private insurers tend to pay providers based on the
volume of services provided, rather than the quality or effectiveness of care.21 Barack Obama and Joe
Biden will accelerate efforts to develop and disseminate best practices, and align reimbursement with
provision of high quality health care. Providers who see patients enrolled in the new public plan, the
National Health Insurance Exchange, Medicare and FEHB will be rewarded for achieving performance
thresholds on physician-validated outcome measures.
! Comparative effectiveness reviews and research. One of the keys to eliminating waste and missed
opportunities is to increase our investment in comparative effectiveness reviews and research. This
information is developed by reviewing existing literature, analyzing electronic health care data, and
conducting simple, real world studies of new technologies. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will establish
an independent institute to guide reviews and research on comparative effectiveness, so that Americans
and their doctors will have accurate and objective information to make the best decisions for their health
and well-being.
! Tackle disparities in health care. Although all Americans are affected by problems with our health
care delivery system, an overwhelming body of evidence demonstrates that certain populations are
significantly more likely to receive lower quality health care than others. Barack Obama and Joe Biden
will tackle the root causes of health disparities by addressing differences in access to health coverage
and promoting prevention and public health, both of which play a major role in addressing disparities.
They will also challenge the medical system to eliminate inequities in health care by requiring hospitals
and health plans to collect, analyze and report health care quality for disparity populations and holding
them accountable for any differences found; diversifying the workforce to ensure culturally effective
care; implementing and funding evidence-based interventions, such as patient navigator programs; and
supporting and expanding the capacity of safety-net institutions, which provide a disproportionate
amount of care for underserved populations with inadequate funding and technical resources.
! Reform medical malpractice while preserving patient rights. Increasing medical malpractice
insurance rates are making it harder for doctors to practice medicine22 and raising the costs of health
care for everyone.23 Barack Obama and Joe Biden will strengthen antitrust laws to prevent insurers

from overcharging physicians for their malpractice insurance. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will also
promote new models for addressing physician errors that improve patient safety, strengthen the doctorpatient
relationship, and reduce the need for malpractice suits.
(3) LOWER COSTS BY TAKING ON ANTICOMPETITIVE ACTIONS IN THE DRUG AND INSURANCE COMPANIES. It
is not right that Americans families are paying skyrocketing premiums while drug and insurance industries are
enjoying record profits. These companies benefit most from the status quo and in many cases are the greatest
obstacles to reform. The Obama-Biden plan will tackle needless waste and spiraling costs by increasing
competition in the insurance and drug markets.
! Increasing competition in the insurance industry. The insurance business today is dominated by a
small group of large companies that has been gobbling up their rivals. In recent years, for-profit
companies have bought up not-for-profit insurers around the country. There have been over 400 health
care mergers in the last 10 years and just two companies dominate a full third of the national market.24
These changes were supposed to make the industry more efficient, but instead premiums have
skyrocketed, increasing over 87 percent over the past six years.25 Over the same time period, insurance
administrative overhead has been the fastest-growing component of health spending. The 2007
Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance Health System reported that between 2000
and 2005, administrative overhead – including both administrative expenses and insurance industry
profits – increased 12.0 percent per year, 3.4 percentage points faster than the average health
expenditure growth of 8.6 percent.26
And while health care costs continue to rise for families, CEOs of these insurance companies have
received multi-million dollar bonuses.27 Barack Obama and Joe Biden will prevent companies from
abusing their monopoly power through unjustified price increases. In markets where the insurance
business is not competitive, their plan will force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums
for patient care instead of keeping exorbitant amounts for profits and administration. Barack Obama and
Joe Biden’s new National Health Insurance Exchange will also help increase competition by insurers.
! Prevent private insurance waste and abuse in Medicare. Medicare’s private plan alternative, called
Medicare Advantage, was established to increase competition and reduce costs. But independent reports
show that on average the government pays 12 percent more than it costs to treat comparable
beneficiaries through traditional Medicare.28 These excessive subsidies cost the government billions of
dollars every year and create an incentive structure that has led to fraudulent abuses of seniors. Barack
Obama and Joe Biden believe we need to eliminate the excessive subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans
and pay them the same amount it would cost to treat the same patients under regular Medicare.
! Allow consumers to import safe drugs from other countries. The second-fastest growing type of
health expenses is prescription drugs.29 Pharmaceutical companies should profit when their research and
development results in a groundbreaking new drug. But some companies are exploiting Americans by
dramatically overcharging U.S. consumers. These companies are selling the exact same drugs in Europe
and Canada but charging Americans a 67 percent premium.30 Barack Obama and Joe Biden will allow
Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are
lower outside the U.S.
! Prevent drug companies from blocking generic drugs from consumers. Some drug manufacturers
are explicitly paying generic drug makers not to enter the market so they can preserve their monopolies
and keep charging Americans exorbitant prices for brand name products.31 The Obama-Biden plan will
work to ensure that market power does not lead to higher prices for consumers. Their plan will work to

increase use of generic drugs in the new public plan, Medicare, Medicaid, FEHBP and prohibit large
drug companies from keeping generics out of markets.
! Allow Medicare to negotiate for cheaper drug prices. The 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug
Improvement and Modernization Act bans the government from negotiating down the prices of
prescription drugs, even though the Department of Veterans Affairs’ negotiation of prescription drug
prices with drug companies has garnered significant savings for taxpayers.32 Barack Obama and Joe
Biden will repeal the ban on direct negotiation with drug companies and use the resulting savings, which
could be as high as $30 billion,33 to further invest in improving health care coverage and quality.
(4) REDUCE COSTS OF CATASTROPHIC ILLNESSES FOR EMPLOYERS AND THEIR EMPLOYEES. Catastrophic
health expenditures account for a high percentage of medical expenses for private insurers.34 In fact, the most
recent data available reveals that the top five percent of people with the greatest health care expenses in the U.S.
account for 49 percent of the overall health care dollar.35 For small businesses, having a single employee with
catastrophic expenditures can make insurance unaffordable to all of the workers in the firm. The Obama-Biden
plan would reimburse employer health plans for a portion of the catastrophic costs they incur above a threshold
if they guarantee such savings are used to reduce the cost of workers' premiums. Offsetting some of the
catastrophic costs would make health care more affordable for employers, workers and their families.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden will guarantee affordable, accessible health care coverage for all Americans.
Currently, there are over 45 million Americans lacking health insurance, and millions more are at risk of losing
their coverage due to rising costs.36 Rising costs are also a burden on employers, particularly small businesses,
which are increasingly unable to provide health insurance coverage for their employees and remain competitive.
Nearly two million fewer Americans receive health insurance coverage through their employers now compared
to eight years ago,37 and this trend shows no sign of slowing down. It is simply too expensive for individuals
and families to buy insurance directly on the open market and impossible for many with pre-existing conditions.
The Obama-Biden plan both builds on and improves our current insurance system, which most Americans
continue to rely upon, and leaves Medicare intact for older and disabled Americans. Under the Obama-Biden
plan, Americans will be able to maintain their current coverage, have access to new affordable options, and see
the quality of their health care improve and their costs go down. The Obama-Biden plan provides new
affordable health insurance options by: (1) guaranteeing eligibility for all health insurance plans; (2) creating a
National Health Insurance Exchange to help Americans and businesses purchase private health insurance; (3)
providing new tax credits to families who can’t afford health insurance and to small businesses with a new
Small Business Health Tax Credit; (4) requiring all large employers to contribute towards health coverage for
their employees or towards the cost of the public plan; (5) requiring all children have health care coverage; (5)
expanding eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs; and (6) allowing flexibility for state health reform
plans.
(1) GUARANTEED ELIGIBILITY. Obama and Biden will require insurance companies to cover pre-existing
conditions so all Americans, regardless of their health status or history, can get comprehensive benefits at fair
and stable premiums.
(2) NEW AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH INSURANCE OPTIONS. The Obama-Biden plan will create a
National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals purchase new affordable health care options if they are
uninsured or want new health insurance. Through the Exchange, any American will have the opportunity to
enroll in the new public plan or an approved private plan, and income-based sliding scale tax credits will be
AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE COVERAGE OPTIONS FOR ALL

provided for people and families who need it. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy and charge
fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans
offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and meet the same standards for quality and efficiency.
Insurers would be required to justify an above-average premium increase to the Exchange. The Exchange
would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, transparent.
The Exchange will have the following features:
! Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through the Federal
Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the program through which Members of Congress get
their own health care. Plans will include coverage of all essential medical services, including preventive,
maternity and mental health care.
! Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles. Participants will be charged fair premiums and
minimal co-pays for deductibles for preventive services.
! Simplified paperwork. The plan will simplify paperwork for providers and will increase savings to the
system overall.
! Easy enrollment. All Exchange health insurance plans will be simple to enroll in and provide ready
access to coverage.
! Portability and choice. Participants will be able to move from job to job without changing or
jeopardizing their health care coverage.
! Quality and efficiency. Participating hospitals and providers that participate in the new public plan will
be required to collect and report data to ensure that standards for health care quality, health information
technology and administration are being met.
(3) TAX CREDITS FOR FAMILIES AND SMALL BUSINESSES. Barack Obama and Joe Biden understand that too
many families that do not qualify for public health programs like Medicaid and SCHIP have trouble finding
affordable health insurance. They know from talking to small business owners across the nation that the
skyrocketing cost of healthcare poses a serious competitive threat to America’s small businesses. The Obama-
Biden health care plan will provide tax credits to all individuals who need it for their premiums. They will also
create a new Small Business Health Tax Credit to provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to
50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees. To be eligible for the credit,
small businesses will have to offer a quality health plan to all of their employees and cover a meaningful share
of the cost of employee health premiums.
(4) EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION. Large employers that do not offer meaningful coverage or make a meaningful
contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a
percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this
requirement.
(5) REQUIRE COVERAGE OF CHILDREN. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will require that all children have health
care coverage. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will expand the number of options for young adults to get
coverage by allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents’ plans.
(6) EXPANSION OF MEDICAID AND SCHIP. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will expand eligibility for the
Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net
function.

(7) FLEXIBILITY FOR STATE PLANS. Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care
reform. Under the Obama-Biden plan, states can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum
standards of the national plan.
PROMOTING PREVENTION & STRENGTHENING
PUBLIC HEALTH

Covering the uninsured and modernizing America’s health care system are urgent priorities, but they are not
enough. This nation is facing a true epidemic of chronic disease. An increasing number of Americans are
suffering and dying needlessly from diseases such as obesity, diabetes, heart disease, asthma and HIV/AIDS, all
of which can be delayed in onset if not prevented entirely. One in 3 Americans—133 million—have a chronic
condition, and children are increasingly being affected.38 Five chronic diseases—heart disease, cancer, stroke,
chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, and diabetes—cause over two-thirds of all deaths each year.39

In addition to the tremendous human cost, chronic diseases exact a tremendous financial toll on our health care
resources. Care for patients with diabetes costs $130 billion each year alone, and this amount is growing.40
Tackling chronic diseases is also straining our public health departments and finances, which are already
stretched too thin carrying out traditional public health functions, which include ensuring our water is safe to
drink, the air is safe to breathe, and our food is safe to eat.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that protecting and promoting health and wellness in this nation is a
shared responsibility among individuals and families, school systems, employers, the medical and public health
workforce, and federal and state and local governments. All parties must do their part, as well as collaborate
with one another, to create the conditions and opportunities that will allow and encourage Americans to adopt
healthy lifestyles.

(1) EMPLOYERS. Reduced workforce productivity from illness and disability represents an additional drain on
business. To address employee health, an increasing number of employers are offering worksite health
promotion programs, onsite clinical preventive services such as flu vaccinations, nutritious foods in cafeterias
and vending machines, and exercise facilities. Equally important, many employers choose insurance plans that
cover preventive services for their employees. Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that worksite interventions
hold tremendous potential to influence health and they will expand and reward these efforts.
(2) SCHOOL SYSTEMS. Childhood obesity is nearly epidemic,41 particularly among minority populations,42 and
school systems can play an important role in tackling this issue. For example, only about a quarter of schools
adhere to nutritional standards for fat content in school lunches.43 Barack Obama and Joe Biden will work with
schools to create more healthful environments for children, including assistance with contract policy
development for local vendors, grant support for school-based health screening programs and clinical services,
increased financial support for physical education, and educational programs for students.
(3) WORKFORCE. Primary care providers and public health practitioners have and will continue to lead efforts
to protect and promote the nation’s health. Yet, the numbers of both are dwindling,44 and the existing
workforce is further challenged by inadequate training for new health threats such as bioterrorism and avian flu,
antiquated funding and reimbursement mechanisms, and limited access to real-time information and technical
support. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will expand funding—including loan repayment, adequate
reimbursement, grants for training curricula, and infrastructure support to improve working conditions— to
ensure a strong workforce that will champion prevention and public health activities.

(4) INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES. Preventive care only works if Americans take personal responsibility for their
health and make the right decisions in their own lives – if they eat the right foods, stay active, and stop smoking.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden will ensure that all Americans are empowered to monitor their health by ensuring
coverage of essential clinical services in all federally supported health plans, including Medicare, Medicaid,
SCHIP and the new public plan. Americans also benefit from healthy environments that allow them to pursue
healthy choices and behaviors that can help ward off chronic and preventable diseases. Healthy environments
include sidewalks, biking paths and walking trails; local grocery stores with fruits and vegetables; restricted
advertising for tobacco and alcohol to children; and wellness and educational campaigns. In addition, Barack
Obama and Joe Biden will increase funding to expand community based preventive interventions to help
Americans make better choices to improve their health.

(5) FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. The federal government and state and local governments
play critical roles across the full range of disease prevention and health promotion activities. First, working
together, governments at all levels should lead the effort to develop a national and regional strategy for public
health and align funding mechanisms to support its implementation. Second, the field of public health would
benefit from greater research to optimize organization of the 3,000 health departments in this nation,45
collaborative arrangements between levels of government and its private partners, performance and
accountability indicators, integrated and interoperable communication networks, and disaster preparedness and
response. Third, the government must invest in workforce recruitment as well as modernizing our physical
structures, particularly our public health laboratories. And finally, the government must examine its own
policies, including agricultural, educational, environmental and health policies, to assess and improve their
effect on public health in this nation. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will prioritize all of these activities, to
ensure a 21st century public health system and healthy America.
Paid for by Obama for America

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:53 PM
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107. Well, that's a pretty strong case for the Obama-Biden plan...
...but I would say that the only promise involved there is the White House's pledge to push for something as close to that as they can get. Historically, Congress doesn't just rubber-stamp everything the Administration wants, so I would say that this was only a promise of effort.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 02:56 PM
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112. Seems we will just have to disagree
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97. Ahhh - more BULLSHIT from bigdarryl - how surprising...NOT!!!
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