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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:20 PM
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So would 2-1 be a win for Obama tonight?
Since we know full well the media is making this a referendum on him, what are we looking at here?

If NY-23 and NJ go Democratic and we lose Virginia, is that a Republican loss?

Or will the media still spin it as anti-Obama?

We know full well if it's anything less, they'll be saying it's proof Obama has zero national clout. :eyes:

I'm just wondering where we stand here.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:23 PM
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1. I think the media will spin it negatively for Obama no matter what.
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 02:23 PM by Jennicut
But I think we may go 0 for 3 tonight, or actually 1 for 4 since no one mentions the CA special election. If we actually do win NJ and Corzine pulls it out we will be 2 for 4 and totally even with Rethugs.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:24 PM
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2. Sadly, I think 0-3 is very likely.
I hate thinking that. But I don't have faith right now in Corzine and since what's her face pulled out in New York, I expect all the Republican votes to go to that Hoffman douche.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:25 PM
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5. 1 for 4!
At least we will most likely win one contest but it is too small a sample to mean much and Corzine has not been the greatest governor. It all depends on turnout. Low turnout is good for Christie.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:27 PM
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6. My only hope is how NJ likes to fuck with pollsters.
It seems it's always closer than it really is.

Think the 2004 presidential election when everyone thought it'd come down to a point or two and Kerry won comfortably.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:25 PM
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4. we won't loseout here in the bay area.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:25 PM
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3. I think we go 1-2
Edited on Tue Nov-03-09 02:25 PM by liskddksil
Corzine hangs on, we lose NY and VA and the good guys win in Maine.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:30 PM
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8. Washington state has a referendum on gay rights, too.
*crosses fingers*
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ind_thinker2 Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:27 PM
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7. it is possible 1-2, i just spoke to by brother in law in NJ
they are going out to vote as media is projecting the race on Obama, they care for obama and give shit to corzine.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:31 PM
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9. I hope that's the case...
Obama is still probably extremely popular there. IF Corzine wins, it'll be because of Obama.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:32 PM
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10. Nope. If Dems lose even one race, it'll be a negative.
Corporate media is geared up for an 'event' tonight and with ratings in mind, they'll create a referendum where there isn't one.

All three of these races are reflective on local politics and really have nothing to do with Obama or what will happen in 2010. But don't expect this rationality to come from the media.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:33 PM
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11. I was reading articles from 2001 about that race and the impact on Bush.
Republicans lost in Virginia and struggled in other states (NJ).

Yet the articles suggested it was because the issues were local and not national. Bush wasn't a factor in their mind.

Yet it's all about Obama now. :eyes:

Funny how things work, eh?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:44 PM
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14. And in 2002 Bush had a major victory in the Congressional elections.
Though it makes me want to puke to say that.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:37 PM
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12. The corprorate media will spin any result as anti-Obama
Hate to be cynical- but that's been the pattern.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:43 PM
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13. On a National scale there are not enough elections today to say anything about
Obama or 2010. Sorry MSM, but that is the truth.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:44 PM
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15.  If NY-23 and NJ go Democratic, that will be seen as a huge win for Dems. and Obama...
especially since we're expected to go 0-3.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 02:48 PM
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16. NY loss could still be spinned for dems if Owens makes it close
because it's a conservative/GOP district that Dems have always lost big in.
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