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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:28 AM
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When HCR passes, 38 million Americans, many of them minorities,
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 04:14 AM by FrenchieCat
will now be able to see a doctor for preventive care.
This will help reduce unwanted pregnancies,
improve prenatal health,
and effectively combat infant mortality.

Many of my own Black brothers and sisters will be
able to get tested for HIV and get treatment;
same for high blood pressure, diabetes,
and the other fatal ailments that are more prevalent in my community
more than many others....

It ain't the principle (as some think) that's important here,
it's what action is taken that directly affects people who have never
had the luxury to even think about seeing a doctor when they need to.

That's what the Democratic party is supposed to be about,
to help the least of these....
not to belittle progress that may or may not affect them,
just because they've got a computer and an idealistic view
on how things should be.

The dreamers are good to have and I wouldn't trade them for anything in the world,
but when it comes right down to it,
it is the realists that seek results to make things actually happen.

This bill, when passed will make a difference,
and anyone who says otherwise really doesn't care about the downtrotten,
they just like to pretend that they do.



Insurance companies could no longer deny coverage to people because they've had health problems in the past, nor could they charge hugely different rates for different groups of people (premiums could only vary by age, geography, tobacco use and family size).

The House bill bans recissions -- the insurance industry's habitual practice of collecting premiums until someone gets sick, and then digging through their histories for an excuse to cancel coverage.
Insurers wouldn't be allowed to cancel an individual's coverage for reasons other than failing to pay the premium.

Insurers would no longer be permitted to impose annual or lifetime caps on benefits.

Insurers that sell insufficient, cheapo plans that leave people vulnerable to medical crises would be required to disclose that fact to their customers.

All insurers would be required to disclose how much of their spending is on health care and how much goes to costs like overhead, advertising, etc.

The legislation (especially the Senate HELP bill) creates new tools for fighting insurance fraud and abuse.

3. Medical Bankruptcies Would Plummet

One of the most significant of these regulations is in the House bill: a cap on out-of-pocket expenses. If the measure passes, individuals would face a maximum of $5,000 in out-of-pocket expenses a year, and families no more than $10,000. For poorer families, the limits would be much lower: $500 per year, for example, for a family making less than 1.33 times the poverty rate.

In 2007, Harvard researchers studied thousands of bankruptcy filings and found that medical causes played a role in more than 6 in 10.

4. People Who Could Never Get Decent Coverage Will Finally Be Able To

So far, one of the great victories for the anti-reform movement has been convincing many small-business owners that health reform will put them under.

The reality is that small-business people, their employees, independent contractors, freelancers, entrepreneurs, part-timers and the "marginally employed" would be the biggest winners from the legislation if it passed as currently drafted. Small business owners and their employees -- as well as those other groups -- would, for the first time, be able to get decent coverage at a fair price, and if eligible, both employer and worker would be able to get extra help paying for it.

Under the current system, most of the largest employers in the country self-insure -- they pay their employees' claims directly and cut out the middleman.

Big firms that don't self-insure buy insurance on the large-group market, where risk is spread out over a large pool. Large-group plans tend to be more or less comprehensive and, relatively speaking, affordable.

But those forced to purchase coverage on the individual or small-group markets have little buying power and are routinely forced to pay budget-busting premiums for the worst possible coverage -- plans with high deductibles, caps on benefits and strict limits on what is and isn't covered.

This gets to the heart of the "public insurance option" -- the most contentious point of debate in the reform battle. It would work like this: The government would establish regional exchanges, or "gateways," that would be open to those who would otherwise be forced into the individual and small-group markets. These gateways would have relatively large insurance pools just like large employers -- and public programs like Medicare -- have now.

Within these large purchasing pools, people would be able to choose from among different insurance plans -- one a government-run "public option" and the rest offered by private insurers.

In order for private insurers to sell plans through the exchanges, they would be required to offer a standard set of benefits (which the public option would have to offer as well). They'd also be permitted to offer plans with more bells and whistles at a premium price.

For those enrolled in the public exchanges, the process would be quite similar to what employees in many large companies experience -- they would simply choose from among a variety of plans, with slightly different levels of coverage and costs.

Compared to the plans now available in the individual and small-group markets, they would pay a lot less for significantly better insurance (which, in reality, is what those "teabaggers" are protesting).

Because of pressure from Republicans and conservative Blue Dog Democrats, the public exchanges will phase in slowly, over a period of four to six years.

5. (Almost) Everyone Gets Covered
http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/141916/10_awesom... /

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:29 AM
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1. for all the flaws, there are lots of people who simply can't wait for a better bill
Kucinich may be fighting for Medicare for all in 20 years for all we know. Even though that's what I'd prefer, I'm not going to say do that or do nothing in the interim.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:31 AM
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2. Dennis Kucinich has health insurance.....
and so does his wife.

Some people don't. 47 million of them to be exact.

How can someone proclaim that they are for the downtrotten,
when they vote against them in the name of perfection?

Lip service is only so good for so long, no matter who's lips are moving.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:33 AM
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3. i'm okay with him trying to improve the outcome of the bill, but I prefer Grijalva's approach
and if Barbara Lee can vote for it, then it will do some good.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:37 AM
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4. I write to Barbara Lee often! She is my rep......my youngest daughter interned for her.....
and of course she represents those whom I post about.
She knows why she was sent to congress,
and it ain't to play the game of who can look the purest
under any and all circumstances.
She's real, and understands that based on how things are,
the only progress that counts is the progress one can see,
smell, touch and feel.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:48 PM
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11. You have no problem with poor women being denied abortions under this insurance industry bill?
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:54 PM
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12. Women aren't people so it doesn't matter.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:02 AM
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15. What about the men who would remain uninsured if this doesn't pass?
Aren't they people? Or the women who need something other than an abortion?

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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:08 AM
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18. Would it be acceptable to you if any other group was being discriminated against in order to get
this pathetic bill through? Or is misogyny the only bigotry you support? What if it was health insurance for everyone but African Americans? Or coverage for all ailments except testicular cancer? Or Tay-Sachs? Whose lives are worth less to you?
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:13 AM
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20. Well, it isn't. What about the men who would not be covered at all?
Aren't you bigoted there? I mean hell with them or with women who would need coverage for anything else, right?

those lives are all worth less to you, right? and some of them could be fatal diseases. Not having an abortion is not fatal (it is covered where it would be) and the person can still get the abortion.

You really have lost your sense of perspective.
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:22 AM
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24. I could not, in good conscience, support any bill health insurance bill which
discriminates against any citizen. There is no justifiable reason to make common cause with bigots.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:02 AM
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14. So the 47 million uninsured should not get any coverage at all?
So long as one relatively cheap and relatively rare and somewhat preventable procedure is not covered?
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:12 AM
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19. You're being intentionally obtuse. Legislating bigotry is not OK and poisoning the law with
religious beliefs violates the separation of church and state.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:14 AM
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21. So what about the 47 million who'd get no coverage at all?
These people's lives are worth nothing to you? You accused me of that, now you explain why nothing is better just to save one procedure that is relatively inexpensive and preventable.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:42 AM
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5. KnR, Frenchie. And FReeper heads are exploding; always a good thing. nt
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:44 AM
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6. Exactly. My take is that many people here are just out of touch
They don't understand the concerns of people who grew up with no insurance at all. You admire their idealism but I'm annoyed by it. It gets old after awhile.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:55 AM
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7. Oh, I'm annoyed, even if I admire their ideals, as theirs are my ideals too......
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 03:56 AM by FrenchieCat
but then, when one walks the grounds and see what is really happening on the frontlines....
or even if they only see the images on Television of so many people standing in line to see
a doctor (when the Mobil Free Clinics comes to town), at some point, they should get a clue,
that it ain't just about WHAT you stand for, but it's about WHO you stand by.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 04:04 AM
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8. Those UnRECing this don't give a shit about poor people, far as I'm concerned.....
they just like to think they do.

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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:08 AM
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17. I'm one of those poor people who is against this,
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 12:09 AM by Waiting For Everyman
and I haven't seen a doctor since 1983. So I don't give a shit about myself, is that it? My opinion isn't valid, just write it off with an ad hominum, huh? I'd stand to benefit from this, and I'm STILL against it. Maybe us poor people could speak for ourselves, because WE KNOW what's going to happen to those who live paycheck to paycheck, including people of color, because of these mandates. We know because we're already being pounded by the "collection industry" of which the IRS has already been made an enforcer for student loans.

No, I don't trust the Congress critters to work it all out right, so that it doesn't chew us up. Did they do that with student loans? Did they fix the bankruptcy laws? Nope, and nope.

And it isn't ok with me to toss away abortion access either. I was 18 when Roe passed, and remember how it used to be.

We who oppose this aren't just some "cranks", you know, we're trying to tell you all something. But this will probably pass anyway and then the reality of it will become evident to all... just like Reaganomics. Nobody believed that was disaster in the making either.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:53 AM
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9. Somebody called this a "cheerleading thread" so I came right over
sorry I was late


K and R
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:19 AM
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23. Give me a H, give me a E give me a HEALTH CARE cheer!
Proud to be a Cheerleader instead of a complainer ~ I'm with you Grantcart!

:bounce:

I knew the Democrats did something right when I heard the M$M trying to play down the Bill this morning ~ M$M is so busy selling Viagra and all the other Pharmas they can't see straight.

Look at the ADS and you know why they are worried about their paychecks.

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:46 PM
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10. k & R
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:59 PM
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13. Frenchie, seems to me that more Americans will be covered! Am so happy!
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:06 AM
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16. Rec'd...nice post Frenchie...thanks! n/t
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:16 AM
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22. Frenchie, Kudos to you, are trying but no body is listening. Am sure
President Obama is trying his best to please everyone, but as we both know, he inherited a bunch of crap from Bush.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:35 AM
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25. Maybe in 2013, but until then? No they won't
And what about the 10 million others?

I guess they should just do everybody a favor and die quickly, huh?
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:44 AM
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26. Great post as always Cat. +1
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:46 AM
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27. Oh goodness sake we passed such a horrible bill...............
:sarcasm:

When this gets thru the senate, it will be an extremely better plan than what we had before. And millions of live will improve because of it.

I don't understand why the griping.
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