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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:22 AM
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NBC Poll - 52% do NOT believe getting Saddam was worth 1000+ & $$$$
Startling poll...on the front page of the WSJ.

Again, Tweety didn't talk about this last night.


Kerry is "spot on" with his Iraq message. People are not for a war that has cost over 1000 lives...$200B.

I guess this ties into "no exit plan".

Where in the hell is the "poll pukes" pushing this data point from the same NBC poll???????



BTW...only 40% thought it was worth it.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:23 AM
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1. That's very encouraging.
It means we've gotta keep pounding the Iraq thing.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:26 AM
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2. the other side is "it's good that he is gone".....BUT
we could have done this another way....where the US does not bear 90% of the lost lives and financial burden with out end.
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:08 AM
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11. Exactly. It was never an "either/or" situation...
A true leader, who had the support of the world on his side in the wake of 9/11, could have solved the "Saddam problem" once and for all with wasting so many lives, so much money.

And without destroying America's reputation -- not just as a force for good, but as the world's only superpower. Bush's pipe dreams and utter failure to plan have us bogged down in Iraq, looking like chumps. How does THAT make us safer from terrorists? :grr:
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:30 AM
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3. Is this a ceiling, or can that number go higher?
I wonder if the 1000 deaths is a mental barrier, and since we've crossed it, the number of people who are against the war will stabilize, allowing Bush to let it continue to bleed.

Whatever, 52% is a good indicator that Kerry is on solid ground.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:37 AM
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5. IF the word "DRAFT" is mentioned.....I can only imagine it higher
becuase now it will pull in the "chickenhawk" repugs who will "think twice"...
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:46 AM
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6. My opinion FWIW
As long as the pictures from Iraq look far worse than what Bush is saying, then these numbers can keep moving in our favor.

I don't like to be in the position of hoping our guys get killed. That's disgusting. But that's how its looking at present to me.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:37 AM
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4. I love this one-68% say they know where W stands
but most (54% ? ) don't approve of his handling of the economy and now you point out 52% don't think the war was worth it. Katie and Tim were hailing this as the deciding point of the election and if Kerry can't get out what he actually believes (gee wonder how he could do that?) HE WILL LOSE-Russert said that.

Hold it-if that many people know where W stands but most disagree with him that is a plus?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:49 AM
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7. How can this be good news for Bush?
If they figured out that attacking Sadaam was not worth the cost, then they know that Iraq is not helping in Bush's so called war on terrorism. It's only making us economically and politically weaker.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 08:52 AM
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8. The Repugs continue to ask the hal-assed question
"Isn't the world better off without Saddam Husein?". Conveniently failing to mention the price tag.
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CarolynEC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:13 AM
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13. A response I'd suggest:
Screw the world, are WE better off? The answer is a plain and simple "No."

We've gone from superpower to laughingstock because Bush and his political hacks wouldn't let the military get the job done right.

And here at home we're cutting police and firefighters, laying off teachers, watching jobs evaporate, paying through the nose for health care, while our property taxes are going through the roof. How about spending that 200 Billion dollars on America?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:39 AM
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14. you see that...I see that ...its the GD media that brainwashes america !
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:04 AM
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17. I think it would be an interesting poll to see what % of people
feel that aiding and abetting Mr. Hussein was worth it in the first place...... I wonder what percent would say that we reap what we sow.

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:56 AM
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18. you are asking for transparency in US policy & journalism
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:19 AM
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19. I guess.... a little opacity now and then would be nice.... n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:36 PM
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20. so very true...
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:00 AM
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9. aint it great.........
the Bush folks have painted themselves into a corner. They can't blow up insurgent strong holds because the blow back as a result could be really, really ugly - all they can do is sit and continue to be targets.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:05 AM
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10. it's criminal that's what it is....AWOL calls the CIA assessment a "guess"
WTF is that....the assclown gets away with such stupidity.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:09 AM
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12. thats all he can say ----- he's painted himself into a corner
I think Kerry needs to hammer him on this.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:57 AM
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15. How can 40% think it was worth all those lives.
Those 40% must not have lost loved ones.

What have "we" accomplished that was worth all those lives?

We haven't gotten the masterminds of 9/11.
We haven't reduced the antagonism against us.
We haven't reduced the price of gas for their SUVs.
We haven't made the world a safer place for anyone.

More people hate us than ever. We have made more enemies and lost more friends over this war than in any other undertaking in this nation's history. Just what have we accomplished?

More people have died because of this war than would have died at the hand of the dictator. We have opened the door for Iraq to become a theocracy rather than a democracy. We have brought Iraq to the brink of a civil religious war. Is this something to be proud of?

Under Saddam people knew what they had to do to remain safe. There is no logic to the killings of today. No one knows how to keep their families from being victimized. Is this a good thing?

Someone needs to inform those 40% that everything Bushco tells you is not to be believed. He does not know what he is doing. He has lost touch. Things are not wonderful in Iraq. There may be pockets of success here and there, but I don't want to live there.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:01 AM
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16. they are chickenhawks insulated from it affecting them
OR.... the media has scared the shit out of them with lies
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 02:50 PM
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21. Rationalization such as this letter to the editor of a NC newspaper
Please feel free to respond with your point of view at thepilot.com
Notice there's no mention of the 13,000 - 15,0000 innocent Iraqis.
IMHO this guy needs to be slammed.

~

Deaths in Perspective

The news media reported the 1,000 deaths in Iraq as of the past week, and this is heart-rending to all of us. It helps to keep it in perspective if we note the 17-month time frame, or an average of 59 deaths per month.

While all lives are precious, we kill far more every month here in the U.S.A. in our six or eight major cities — Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles, N.Y.C., St. Louis, Houston, etc. — than the 59 killed in Iraq.

We kill another 4,000 every month here, as we drive cars around streets and highways.

The terrorist killed nearly 3,000 in one day (on 9/11 when they attacked New York and Washington), and we know they had plans for additional attacks. Where would it have been: San Francisco, Raleigh, Pittsburgh or Atlanta? They have killed Americans on the U.S.S. Cole, our embassy in North Africa, the Marine barrack in Lebanon, etc.

We have the finest military in the world; it is all-volunteer, has the best training and the best equipment. Duty and honor, love of God and country fill the heart of most of us who served when our country needed us. We will have more security around this country and the world because of this.

John Wink

Pinehurst



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