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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:29 AM
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Gallup Poll shows 3-point Bush DROP
Let's put this Gallup poll info into a context.

I just went to Pollingreport.com to look at the new Sept. 24=26 Gallup poll showing Kerry 11 points behind B*.

What the media fails to notice is that this poll shows Bush has LOST 3 points among likely voters from the previous Gallup poll on Sept. 13-14. They're also missing the 2-point GAIN by Kerry in the past two weeks!

Asked whether voters are leaning more toward * or Kerry, the earlier poll shows B* 55 to Kerry's 42.

The latest poll shows B* numbers have dropped to 52 points, while Kerry's have gone up to 44%. I hope this is a trend!


Also, with all the grim news claiming B* and Kerry are tied in New Jersey, I went to the Star-Ledger/Eagleton Poll, a NJ-based poll that I think may be reliable. They show Kerry at 47 to B* 43. Statistically that's a dead heat, but Kerry is still ahead in my former home state.

I suspect the to-do about the Democratic governor being gay may have affected the state's voters in recent weeks, but don't write NJ off! Especially if Kerry is smart enough to squeeze in a campaign stop there.

Lesson: Look beyond the polls at the bigger picture, since the corporate-manipulated media isn't going to.


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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:35 AM
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1. How bout not following the polls at all?
They're obviously all bullshit, since none of the are consistent with each other.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:36 AM
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2. I misread the title of your post and was pretty excited...
I thought the title was :3 stories high Bush DROP ! :)
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:36 AM
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3. eggsactly ... we might now say "there's lies, there's damned lies, &
there's convenience polls" ... in short:
methodology matters
sampling matters AND
proper weighting matters (if we are to draw NATIONAL inferences)
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:41 AM
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4.  USA Today's headline was "Bush's Lead Drops in Poll". CNN spins furiously
for Dubya. They are hopeless shills for this inept, corrupt administration. They have no journalistic ethics and when not spinning for Bush, they are cowering before The GOP slime machine.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/front.ht...
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:27 AM
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10. they have to be TOLD how to position...a new movie "Out CNN'd"
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:43 AM
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5. I've suspected that this was true all along....
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

"News from the Votemaster

Some bad news for the polling business. Strategic Vision (R) has a new poll in Ohio showing Bush ahead 52% to 43% there. However, there is also a Lake Snell Perry (D) poll showing the race there to be an exact tie, with both candidates at 46%. It is becoming increasingly clear that the pollsters are producing the results that the people paying the bills want to hear. Even pollsters who were once thought to be above suspicion are now suspicious. Gallup, for example, is now normalizing its samples to include 40% Republicans, even though the 2000 exit polls showed the partisan distribution to be 39% Democratic, 35% Republican. There is scant evidence that the underlying partisan distribution has changed much since then. Other pollsters also normalize their data, but most don't say how. Normalizing the sample to ensure the proper number of women, elderly voters, etc. is legitimate provided that the pollster publicly states what has been done."

Despite a smattering a polls today, none of these mean much on the eve of the first debate. For many people, the debates will determine their votes.
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 08:58 AM
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6. They "NORMALIZE" The Polls?
WTF?

Basically it is just bullshit since they are doctoring the numbers.

OMG, people, this sucks.

People want to vote for w winner and the polls have millions of people thinking Bush is the guy.

What utter bullshit!


WHO in the media will tell the TRUTH???
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:17 AM
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8. It's a combination of all the worse things imaginable....
Another recent important deceptive tactic has been Limbaugh and the Bushco machine saying that they have women in the bag....

I've been saying all along that Kerry is going to get a big turnout from women who have the instincts that the war sucks and that Bush is no f'in good. This is also an important fundamental component of the so called undecided vote.

Meanwhile they've been running numbers on "married women" as being pro Bush...but as you can imagine....they're going into scewed bases. The other thing they've pushed over the last few months is the "we're safer under Bush" logic and supposed polls to prove the point.

My own personal poll in NJ shows women overwhelmingly going Kerry....and for extemely heartfelt, insightful reasons. Except for a few that werre obviously not tuned in and somewhat unsure of which way to go...everyone I've asked the question "do you think we're safer under Bush"....almost gags before they respond. I do believe women can generally see through the BS about the war.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:26 AM
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9. "Normalizing" is a bad word for Gallups 40% repuke sample
but weighting the results is not "doctoring" when done correctly.

That's the essence of the previous post. You CANT poll 40% Republicans and claim the results are an accurate sample.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 09:00 AM
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7. see my post 2 on this thread
which tells why their method of determining "likely voter" (LV) is a joke.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=909736#909974


Cher
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