Did anyone else find the clip of Kerry played on Daily Show

last night to be very embarrassing? Why can't he just give a plain answer to a simple question? She asked the same question several times and kerry just would not answer it. He is still trying to nuance the answer and I found it embarrassing. He will not win with this type of no-answer-answer. He has to be very definitive in his answers and quite trying to take both sides at the same time. No wonder the Flip-Flop charge is sticking.

hard time challenging Bush on this issue because past quotes can be used against him.

As a Dean supporter, I always maintained that Kerry couldn't effectively challenge Bush on the war.

However, there is one simple solution that he might bring out tonight ...

"I made the mistake of believing this President when he said Saddam Hussein was in imminent threat to America, I no longer believe that."

He has to come out hard against the false evidence Bush used to prop the war.

Also keep in mind, any criticism of the war will be met with the "your unpatriotic and discouraging our troops Mr. Kerry BS" Democrats are afraid of criticism from the Right Wing dontcha know. Why? You've got me, but they have their tail between their legs half the time acting like were supposed to give a shit what Republicans think.

Republicans could give a shit if they're criticized by "filthy unpatriotic libruls" ...

the Right. every Politician needs the Media to win elections. If the Media is against them they have lost. at least that is the prevailing attitude and that is why Democrats have been kissing so much ass. If they don't find some spine they are history anyway. I'm astounded they don't realize this. Daschel is a prime example. He is actually running away from the Democrats and running ads of him and Bush* together. the Democrats are very scared and with good reason. without Public financing of elections there will no longer be a two party system.

I'm all for public financing as well.

I get very discouraged with watching the Dems run campaigns. The R's have the marketing/packaging and psycology of the game to a T.

and precede it with "unlike the current administration, I acknowledge and take responsibility when I make a mistake in judgement."

Bush, along with every other Senator. He voted at that time he believe we were under threat. Now, knowing Bush had propagated faulty intelligence, he should be mad as hell at Bush, and Bush should be mad as hell at...CONDI! Kerry did what everyone in the world would do, took Bush at his word and he got screwed by Bush.

You can't answer whether an ongoing conflict "was worth it". It's not over! She knew this when she aksed it. She intentionally put him on the spot and kept interrupting him when he tried to give the "nuanced" answer that was called for.

Kerry was right. You DO need to know how it will turn out! But let's say he thinks it's likely that it wasn't worth it: that Iraq will be left more chaotic than when we started and that there will be more terrorism, not less. given that it is ongoing and our troops die every day, it would not be very diplomatic nor intelligent politically to say "it wasn't worth it".

Sawyer knows the question is a Catch 22 and she wouldn't even let him complete an answer. Bush has no pressure here. He simply has to say "YES. It was worth it". It's HIS WAR. He has no choice, even if nuclear bombs are going off in Iraq, to say "YES. It was worth it."

Kerry DID say that given what we know now, he WOULD NOT have invaded Iraq. THAT is the news here, and THAT is very clear!

"We don't yet know the cost Diane, history will be the final judge on whether or not it was worth it."

measured against what our fears. Are we so gullible, and cower to the "fear" of attack we'll hap-hazardly invade country after country until we run out of money or soldiers?

We invaded Iraq because we were afraid that Iraq had WMD that they would use against us. NONE has been found

I know all about the free speech wah wah wah we should be able to discuss anything we want. We want to win the FUCKING election, quit with the critical shit, this site is monitored and everything negative we say is a gift to Rove. We talk about the "nasty" repuke, sure they are nasty but they are also not so damn stupid to be knocking their own candidate on a public site. Grow the hell up and stick a sock in it until after we WIN, then we can give our point of view of what we want Kerry to do. That's why were called the base, Kerry should be able to count on us regardless. Are we so stupid that we do not realize that he will have to pander to the middle to get elected. The repukes win because they would vote for Satan if he had a R next to his name. We know Kerry is not Satan so lets get with the program and win. I don't care how flamed I get, I just want to win and get the asshole out of office.

he was very direct and did a great job.

I did not see the daily show.

He got to the right response at the END when he said basically that the real issue was how to deal with the mess now (sic).

Sawyer led him around by the nose until then. I was totally disheartened by that part of the interview.

He should have immediately rejected the question about Iraq being "worth it" and gone directly to the problem NOW as the issue to be discussed.

I heard that he was better on Part II...but I don't see a thread anywhere....is there one?

And that means supporting him, especially on the very day that he's to go toe-to-toe with *.

It's just the wrong time to discuss Kerry's faults. There'll be plenty of time to do that **after** the election. Then we can criticize our new president-elect.

Until then, let's do everything we can to get him elected, and get that criminal out of the White House.

It doesn't matter that he did it with Sawyer (I think that was her), but he has to avoid doing that in the debates. Seriously. Even if there are plenty of reasons for doing so, he should avoid playing too much into the media script that he is an equivocating flip-flopper. Dean played into the media scipt that he was angry and nuts (the scream) and it destroyed him, although under the circumstances his action wasn't surprising, wrong, or anything else.

"it depends on the outcome" is not a great answer to "was the war worth it" (I'm paraphrasing from memory, so please correct me if I'm mistaken).

The war was WRONG. Period. It was also illegal. No matter what comes out of it, the war will never have been right.

Why is it that, every time I start to like Kerry, he says shit like this? I heard him tell that whore Sawyer that he wouldn't have invaded, and I'm like "Hell yeah" - then he gives this bullshit answer!

Makes me want to scream.

being a pompous ass. There is is no easy answer. Giving a complicated answer to a complicated question is honest and not embarrassing. Frankly I question anyone who says Kerry is flip flopper right now, to be someone who really wants Bush to win.

that part of the reason Kerry can't just say, "Oh it wasn't worth it" is because it's kind of a FU to the soldiers there now and those that have died. That's for those individuals to have decided, and then someday the historians.

It's an intellectual answer to actually just say, "OF course it's not worth it." Because that is actually the easy truth as of this moment. But it's not so easy with so many of our people still there and we have to find our way out of it.

Kerry's mistake was trusting the "president" who has made Iraq doomed to failure with mistake after mistake and instance on ideology over facts on the ground.

Besides, the war is a fact. You can't go back and make it not exist. Kerry didn't take us to Iraq. The fantasy candidate that says, "BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW" didn't get the nomination and would never get elected in this country. It's a fantasy(one that I notice both Bill Maher and Jon Stewart seem to support, it's a easy dig to get in, oh if he JUST said we should have never gone to Iraq then he'd win in a landslide as if that was all the majority in the country care about)
Then he would be painted as someone that never goes to war. EVER.

So no matter how many people bitch about Kerry not giving the answer YOU would give, you aren't running for president. If you want the black and white man, I believe we already have that idiot ideologue running the place.