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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:20 PM
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Cut The Shit All - Edwards Needed A Grand Slam, He Bunted To First At Best
he didn't do it tonight. sorry. FACTS.

i'll call it a DRAW at BEST!

this was NOT John's best performance BY FAR!

the Halliburton references landed on deaf ears and they were NOT effective.

he wasn't HORRIBLE but they weren't anything to write home about. sorry. i REALLY am!

those are the facts. let us not kid ourselves. let us be honest. sorry.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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8. your right
and 14 posts makes you right! :eyes:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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29. This MATCOM guy is a total freeper.
:P
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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32. I don't know WHY he hasn't been tombstoned yet
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:28 PM by missb
;) Edited to add: you can't see my wink because those functions are turned off!
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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18. Naahhhh
matcom is good people.
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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Gee you *haven't* been here long, have you?
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM by DrBB
Matcom's credentials are, to put it mildly, impeccable.

edit: supposed to be a reply to Zapp, #1 above. Sigh.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:33 PM
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77. Hey, I give the guy big props for using his 14th post

to call Matcom a troll! Zapp went out with a flourish.
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Machiavelli05 Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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He has almost 24000 posts
and you have 14.... whos the troll?
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:32 PM
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73. I've always know about you MATTCOM
and now we have proof.

You Freeper!



*insert smile here*
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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2. You're entitled to your opinion, but I couldn't disagree more.
Cheney definitely got in some licks that will appeal to some people, but we knew he would, going in. We know he is not as stupid and incoherent as Bush.

Edwards did great.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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3. oh, boo. you think cheney did better? nay, I say, nay!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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4. still gonna vote that he won
:)
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FARAFIELD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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5. i concurr
i think you and i are the only ones that think so. He didnt shrink, rather he didnt take the offensive.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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6. Cheney isn't running for President, dude.
A tie is not going to hurt Kerry. JE holding his own in this one and only debate is a good thing.
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UCLA Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:21 PM
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7. I really don't agree. I think he turned in a great performance tonight.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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Cheney is weaseling around again
telling how he's a regular joe, then bringing up 911.....

JE-we weren't attacked by SH. Strong coalition. Good point.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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9. Bullshit
Don't know what you're watching.
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Machiavelli05 Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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10. I think I agree with you...
I like Edwards a lot though.

I hope the polls pull through in support of Edwards
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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Matcom, I disagree. Edwards is doing more than fine.
And where's the dancing hippo?

-MR
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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11. Bullshit on all counts.
Where can I get some of what you're smoking?
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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12. Those are not the facts, those are the opinions
And anyone interesting in being responded to should start by admitting as much honestly.

In my opinion - it was a draw or a small victory for edwards. I don't believe it was a knockout however. I'm not sure a knockout was needed.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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13. All he needed was a tie.
And he got it. I'm happy.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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14. Draw at best is all we needed....
but the media will say THIS VP debate was different and very important. I just hope some serious Cheney fact-checking goes on.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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15. I don't even like Edwards much...
He is winning by a mile. I feel like I've entered OZ around here, suddenly. :wtf:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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28. Me too.
Cheney is whispering, and hunching, and passing on questions.

He's AWFUL.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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16. YOUR OPINION ONLY.
I think he did a great job!

Did you think Cheney would fold like Bush did? Come ON. Get real.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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17. What are you smoking tonight Matcom?
How about hooking me up with some....:)
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CaOs Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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19. WHAT?
Does Fox news have a diferent debate on?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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20. I disagree
This debate moved quickly and Edwards had
facts and arguments for every point brought
up. He brought up everything he needed to.

Slapping that purple hippo of yours.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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21. Couldn't disagree more
No offense, bro, but don't make me lump you into that stupid-ass group of DUers who believe that if a politician doesn't throw a chair and bellow, he/she isn't getting the job done.

This was a fine performance. Cheney is very good at this, but I have a list of lies on my notebook that will be out before the sun rises.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:24 PM
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36. we will see what the "public" says
i say they will tell my tale. (as much as i hate it)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM
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65. the "public" can't understand what cheney's even saying from his mumbling
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:26 PM
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48. IMO, John had to look serious, smart and able. The race will be between
Kerrey and *. All John had to do was dispell the breck crap and be a man. He did that and he showed his humanity, ability and guts. A home run wasn't needed. Just getting around the bases was. He did that IMO and I'm deeply relieved.

Bush is a dork. He CAN'T get better, only same or worse. That will decide this. Cheney needed the home run to stop the slide. He didn't get it. He can't. He's too evil-looking and mean. Nothing to say but the same old crap. So, I believe Edwards did just what he needed to do, allay fears about himself.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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22. I'll give it to you that Edwards didn't shine the way Kerry did...
...from last week.

However, Cheney came off like a soulless person, but we knew that!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:22 PM
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23. he didnt need a home run or grand slam
he needed to merely stay up with cheney. that is all the expectation was. and he surpassed that
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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24. he's doing great IMO. very likable and personable. nt
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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25. I think it was a draw too.
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:34 PM by tjdee
I don't think it's bad for us at all.

Dick Cheney was a nasty sumbitch. Fine.

John Edwards came off okay, which is fine. He got a few zingers in.

On Friday Kerry is going to clean Georgie's clock AGAIN.

So there.

on edit:
Edwards is looking better at the end here though.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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26. Cheney's Mumbling Drone Is Unlistenable.At Least People Can Understand
Edwards
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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27. Cheney was the one who needed to hit a grand slam...
and he didn't come close.

Those are the facts.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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30. Ok, let's be honest and let's not kid ourselves, no single debate
will bring troops back from Iraq, provide health care for millions, keep our country safe and restore jobs. But John Kerry will and John Edwards will help him. That's what's really being said.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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31. disagree. Edwards needed a draw and he exceeded
No way could he get a grand slam against a chronic liar.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:23 PM
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33. But, a draw means Edwards wins. Cheney SHOULD have annihilated him.
He didn't. He couldn't. Edwards countered him enough to throw him off just enough to notice.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:24 PM
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34. Why did he need a grand slam?
IMO all he needed was not to strike out and he did much more them strike out.
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:24 PM
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35. Don't forget that the masses are swayed by imagery
And JE's image is a lot more attractive than DC's image. I predict that JE will be the winner by a slim margin, and it will be because of his physical image and voice and body language. That will tip the surverys in his favor.
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:24 PM
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37. From one 1000+ troll to another... DRAW
:evilgrin:

While I could have dream that Edwards would get Dickie upset, Dickie is much more able to control himself than *.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:24 PM
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38. All Edwards needed to do was dance around the ring til the end. He kicked
Dick's ass instead.

not even close!
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:24 PM
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39. He's disappointing me too (thanks Matcom!)
It's nice to have someone everyone knows *isn't* a troll question the "knock-out".

He's just not got the energy I know he has.

oh well, Cheney is boring, but I wanted Edwards to be Electrifying!

david
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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40. Matcom, you have outted yourself. You are dead wrong!
Edwards has cleaned Cheney's clock. Cheney is breathing heavy and is defensive. Edwards has been superb.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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41. Nah
I think overall Edwards did come out ahead, it just wasn't a grand slam home run like the Kerry one was.

I think the problem for me was I was half-expecting cheney to roll over and die like bush did.

but Edwards kicked his ass on domestic issues, in my opinion.

And Edwards is FAR more likeable.....LOOK at cheney!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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42. Edwards will be declared the winner...
Mark my words. :)
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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43. Edge to Edwards.
At worst, a wash.

Chill.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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44. Are you comparing Kerry to Edwards
or Edwards to Cheney? If it is the latter, then Edwards is winning! Maybe not a home run but I'd give him a easy double and if he hustles, triple.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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45. I think it was a draw -they were both strong but in different ways
Cheney really kept his cool and did a pretty good job answering questions, but he mumbled and spoke in a monotone.

Edwards did a pretty good job answering questions too but looked less confident. But he was more vibrant and interesting to listen to.
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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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46. so far Cheney has refused to answer 2 questions!
and no Edwards didn't need to hit a grand slam, KERRY needs a grand slam. You think Cheney did well tonight? hell no.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:25 PM
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47. yeah--he held his own
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:32 PM by devrc243
but nothing to write home about... Cheney is a seasoned politician and I was worried about this. Let me rephrase--seasoned LYING, CROOKED politician.

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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:26 PM
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49. What more could he have done to make cheney look like the lying
evil asshole he is?
C'mon Matcom, what did he NOT do or say to qualify as a grand slam?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:26 PM
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50. wrong universe, matcom--go check; i bet you're in the holodeck
Edwards is wiping the floor with Dick's dick. And he scored a moral victor when he praised Cheney for recognizing and tolerating his gay daughter. All Cheney could say was "Thank You" Edwards turned it into a reveal of wedge issues like gay marriage. Brilliant!

Watch it again later when you're not so emotional.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:26 PM
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51. I'm on to you matcom
Starting a thread to get all the trolls to agree and all the DUer's to disagree....building up thread counts, methinks.

:-)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM
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66. This is one of those moments when you wished you could see what
the other candidates could do against satan here. I would love to see Wes take him apart.

RV, fantasizing about lost causes. :evilgrin:
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM
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67. I'm calling it a draw...
Not fabulous, but JE kept Cheney at bay.

The moderator definitely gets a failing grade.
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Fatima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:27 PM
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52. Some comments I can agree were not
effective...but JE's mentioned a lot of stuff, Halliburton, the non-existant Saddam/911 link, Cheney's defense voting in the past, etc. May be a closer call than Kerry-Bush but I think John's doing a better job than ol' Dickhead...who has spit out a bunch of lies...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:27 PM
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53. Thank you, matcom
I hate, hate, hate, self-delusional bullshit. Edwards bunted to first is just about right. That said, I'm headed for the polls to lie through my teeth and insist that Edwards hit a homerun, but I sure ain't gonna kid myself.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:27 PM
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54. Hardball panel had said
tie goes to Edwards... I'd agree, but I disagree that it is a tie. It is certainly closer than Kerry/Bush was, but I'd say Cheney is tiring out in this debate after an even first half...
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:27 PM
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55. He attacked with Mandela, Head Start, Meal on Wheels AND MLK in ONE ANSWER
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM by party_line
Mumbles can't even pull himself to a standing position and all you see is a BUNT? GRAB hold! Not every day is Christmas. This is a solid showing.
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:28 PM
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56. by more than holding his own JE won hands down. for cheny to win he
needed to bury JE-far far from it.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:28 PM
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57. i have to disagree with you. cheney is lying his ass off and he's
coming off as he always has in the past--tin man/darth vaderish. when he attacks, the snarl takes over his face and that is all i can see.
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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:28 PM
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58. This is great
way to find the freepers
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:29 PM
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59. I'm going to put down my pom-poms and AGREE!
It's a draw at best. Honestly, Edwards did much better than I expected. Let's face reality, folks. He DOESN'T have Cheney's political or foreign policy experience. The best we could hope for was that Cheney didn't eat Edwards for dinner and HE DIDN'T. Edwards scored some major points.

I think the first few mentions of Halliburton were good, spot-on, accurate and easy to relate to. But when he kept bringing it up later, it just sounded like a talking point or a distraction.

This was an unfair fight, but we didn't do bad at all (and this is coming from someone salivating at the thought of Cheney and Wes Clark going toe to toe).
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:31 PM
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68. I agree..
and I agree.

Edwards sis better than I expected, and Clark v. Cheney would have been something to behold.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:29 PM
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60. The debate was a bore..
which is a win for us.

Cheney didn't help himself. He came accross as Darth Vaderish as ever.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:29 PM
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61. he didn't need a grand slam, just a hit
He got a hit. A single gets you on base.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:34 PM
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79. wow--well said!
:D
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM
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62. Where did you see them playing baseball?

:shrug:

I watched a debate. I knew how Cheney would do and expected Edwards would more than hold his own, which he did. I didn't expect him to rout Cheney because Cheney is competent. He had some very good lines that can become slogans or memes, such as the one about the country not being able to afford four more years of this administration.

Another was a short litany of

"THEY SAID that they would do _________ but ___________ happened."

Cheney, like Bush*, referred to Kerry saying "wrong war, wrong place, wrong time," helping sell Kerry's meme!
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baltodemvet Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM
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63. No, We didn't need a grand slam.
Won't say it wouldn't have been nice but John held his own tonight.
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BlueNomad Donating Member (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:30 PM
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64. Totally wrong
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:31 PM by BlueNomad
The fact is everything Cheny tried to slam on was old. We have heard it for 4 months. it will not change the undecided. Fence sitters will say:

WHAT???? Voting against Meals on Wheels???? Very ugly. LOL.

And if you think folks could understand that droning (I dozed off when he was talking) you are kidding.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:31 PM
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69. I don't think he needed to do anything besides
make people comfortable with the idea of him taking over. I think he did that. The rest is fluff.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:31 PM
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70. A Tie Goes to the Runner, My Friend
Cheney needed the grand slam which he clearly did not get. I know that we all wanted JRE to jump across the table and slap Crashcart upside the head. But that's not his job. His job is too sound knowledgable, cool-headed, likeable, charming, and Presidential. All of which I believe he did.

Cheney was not going to make the same mistakes Nimrod did last week either.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:31 PM
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71. Not nice.
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 09:37 PM by Ripley
Once again the same old DUers attack JE.

What exactly did you expect him to do Mat....call him a liar? Yeah..That would have gone over real well.

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:32 PM
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72. It's a good thing you don't have the final say, isn't it?...
Those are the facts. Let us not kid ourselves. Let us be honest. Sorry.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:32 PM
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74. you're right matcom
It's to bad many on here can't take off the blinders.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:35 PM
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82. Oooooh let me take off my blinders...
Now I can see...you Lounge Lizards crawl out to decree that the man from the south is a LOSER against the DICK!

Wowseweeseeeeeeeee. You guys in the Lounge are so fucking smart. We know that and can't wait for your fucking next pronouncement...

could it be that the Patriots lose?
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Kusala Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:33 PM
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75. go back to the du lounge matcom!!
:)

yeah there's no clear winner. Cheney landed some good punches, even if they were wayyy below the belt, most americans can only see the punch not the context.

Edwards landed some as well, with the added benefit of them being honest but he missed a lot too.

However, Kerry has a far easier opponent so you can't get down on Edwards!!

Cheney acts even cockier than Bush..that's scary, because he's got the intellect and bullshit skill to back it up..
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:33 PM
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76. I agree it is a draw
and considering that alot of it was on foreign policy that is in a way a win for Edwards, but most will say it was a draw--but more importantly for forming opinion--the pundits will call it for Chaney.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:35 PM
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81. Who gives a CRAP what the pundits have to say!!!????...
Isn't that why we're all going to be voting in the polls very shortly???
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Smacker Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:34 PM
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I couldn't fail
to disagree with you less.
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Hanover_Fist Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:34 PM
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78. Wow, your're a miopic
spectator, how can you say this?
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:35 PM
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80. The sad thing
Cheney's best points were all built on the Democrats' worst weakness of the past four years - the foul concept of bipartisanship.

Our leaders gave the republican bastards the talking points of the taxes, the war, the patriot act, no child left behind, the drug prescription reform. Remember this the next time you want to move to the center and compromise.
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:36 PM
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83. Cheney couldn't even crawl to first
EFF OFF FREEPER
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