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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:49 PM
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Cheney's Avalanche of Lies (my rough report on the VP debate)
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 11:57 PM by WilliamPitt


Caption: Cheney and Edwards at the National Prayer Breakfast, 02/01/01

"The vice president, I'm surprised to hear him talk about records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

Clearly, Dick Cheney is no George W. Bush. On Thursday night in Florida, Bush exposed himself as unprepared, easily ruffled, angry, excitable and muddled. As one wag put it, he came to a 90 minute debate with 10 minutes of material. On Tuesday night in Ohio, Cheney showed the American people who is really running things at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. He was controlled, calm, every inch the CEO in charge.

Cheney was also every inch the snarling, hunch-shouldered golem that has made him one of the least popular politicians in recent memory. He seldom looked up at moderator Glen Ifill, or at the cameras facing him, choosing instead to speak into his own chest for the entire night. Cheney appeared, overall, to cut quite the frightening figure, the dark night to Edwards' optimistic day.

The other problem for Cheney, of course, was the way he lied with nearly every word that passed his curled lips. It was a virtuoso performance of prevarication, obfuscation and outright balderdash. On Thursday night, George W. Bush played the part of a man who couldn't possibly defend his record. On Tuesday night, Cheney acted as though that record did not exist.

Cheney was behind the eight-ball before he even entered the hall, tasked to defend his administration's rationale for invading and occupying Iraq. Unfortunately for him, journalists record statements made by important people. In 1992, then-Defense Secretary Cheney spoke to the Discovery Institute in Seattle, WA. Recall that the United States was flush from the trouncing of Iraq in the first Gulf War. Cheney was asked why coalition forces didn't roll tanks on Baghdad and depose Saddam Hussein. Cheney's response, given 14 years ago, could well describe the mess we currently find ourselves in.

"I would guess if we had gone in there," said Cheney in 1992, "I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home. And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don't think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties. And while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn't a cheap war."

For the record, 1,064 American soldiers have died in this second round of war in Iraq. An additional 138 soldiers from the 'coalition' Bush and Cheney assembled have also died, bringing the total to 1,202. Edwards made the point several times that the United States was bearing "90% of the coalition causalities" in Iraq, and that the American people are bearing "90% of the costs of the effort in Iraq." Cheney tried to say this wasn't true, but the body count numbers don't lie, and never mind the burden being carried by the Iraqi people, more than 20,000 of whom have perished since the invasion began.

"And the question in my mind," continued Cheney in 1992, "is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth? And the answer is not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq."

Cheney's answer to this glaring contradiction, of course, is "September 11," i.e. the terrorist attacks changed everything. It doesn't change the facts of a disastrous occupation, or the overwhelming financial burden being placed on American taxpayers because of Bush administration failures, and it certainly doesn't explain 1,064 folded American flags handed to American families who thought their sons, daughters, husbands, wives, mothers and fathers were going to Iraq to destroy weapons of mass destruction and protect the United States.

Page 01 of the Washington Post for Wednesday 06 October carries an article titled 'Report Discounts Iraq Arms Threat,' which reads in paragraph one: "The government's most definitive account of Iraq's arms programs, to be released today, will show that Saddam Hussein posed a diminishing threat at the time the United States invaded and did not possess, or have concrete plans to develop, nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, U.S. officials said yesterday."

Yes, the lies were thick before Cheney took his seat at the desk on Tuesday night. They got thicker. Edwards, in a theme repeated throughout the night, stated that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the attacks of September 11, and that the Bush administration had erred grievously by diverting attention from Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda and into Iraq. Several times, Edwards accused Cheney of rhetorically combining Iraq and 9/11.

"I have not," replied Cheney, "suggested there is a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

Hm.

"His regime has had high-level contacts with al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al Qaeda terrorists." - Cheney, 12/2/02

"His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us." - Cheney, 1/30/03

"I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government." - Cheney, 1/22/04

"There's been enormous confusion over the Iraq and al-Qaeda connection, Gloria. First of all, on the question of - of whether or not there was any kind of a relationship, there was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming. It goes back to the early '90s...There's clearly been a relationship." - Cheney, 6/17/04

One could argue, perhaps, the definition of "is" on this matter. Cheney did not state specifically in any of the above quotes that Iraq was involved with 9/11. But the repeated claim that Iraq was connected to al Qaeda, a claim that has been shot to pieces dozens of times over, establishes enough of an Iraq-9/11 connection to satisfy a man who appears to believe that a frightened populace is a happy populace.

George W. Bush doesn't even believe Cheney on this point. An article by Reuters from September 18, 2003, had Bush telling reporters, "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in September 11." Bush was forced into this scramble because his Vice President had, again, made this discredited connection between Iraq and 9/11 on 'Meet the Press' the previous Sunday by claiming, "more and more" evidence was being found to justify the connection. It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now.

Cheney's unruffled, monotone demeanor became demonstrably agitated only a few times on Tuesday, but those times were telling. They came when John Edwards mentioned Halliburton. Edwards accused Halliburton, essentially, of war profiteering, and went so far as to describe how the company, while run by Cheney, was trading with nations now considered to be enemies of America.

"While he was CEO of Halliburton," said Edwards, "they paid millions of dollars in fines for providing false information on their company, just like Enron and Ken Lay. They did business with Libya and Iran, two sworn enemies of the United States. They're now under investigation for having bribed foreign officials during that period of time. Not only that, they've gotten a $7.5 billion no-bid contract in Iraq, and instead of part of their money being withheld, which is the way it's normally done, because they're under investigation, they've continued to get their money."

Cheney was allotted 30 seconds to reply to this explosive charge. His response: "The reason they keep mentioning Halliburton is because they're trying to throw up a smokescreen. They know the charges are false."

Edwards' reply to this in-depth rejoinder: "These are the facts. The facts are the vice president's company that he was CEO of, that did business with sworn enemies of the United States, paid millions of dollars in fines for providing false financial information, it's under investigation for bribing foreign officials. The same company that got a $7.5 billion no-bid contract, the rule is that part of their money is supposed to be withheld when they're under investigation, as they are now, for having overcharged the American taxpayer, but they're getting every dime of their money."

A few more facts: According to the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Houston Chronicle, the New York Times, the Petroleum Economist and scores of other reporters and media outlets, Halliburton in the time of Dick Cheney dealt with both Iraq, Iran and Libya through a variety of subsidiaries and in defiance of scores of international sanctions. Cheney did not like the sanctions against these countries, and went out of his way to make sure Halliburton could get around them and turn a tidy profit.

On June 13, 2000, one month before joining the Republican presidential ticket, the Los Angeles Times reported Cheney's claim that, "We're kept out of (Iran) primarily by our own government, which has made a decision that U.S. firms should not be allowed to invest significantly in Iran, and I think that's a mistake." When speaking to the Cato Institute on June 23, 1998, Cheney stated, "Unfortunately, Iran is sitting right in the middle of the (Caspian Sea) area and the United States has declared unilateral economic sanctions against that country. As a result, American firms are prohibited from dealing with Iran and find themselves cut out of the action."

Cut out of the action?

It went on like this for 90 minutes, and got quite silly at one point. Cheney tried to paint Edwards as an absentee Senator by claiming he'd not met Edwards until that night. CNN and the other networks, a couple of hours later, began showing video of the two of them sitting together for several hours during the National Prayer Breakfast in February of 2001. It seems a silly thing to lie about, what with all the chaos and dead people we're all dealing with, but the media appeared happy to seize upon it. So it goes.

Cheney looked for all the world as if the whole thing bored him. One can hardly blame him. When your entire professional and political career is a tapestry of untruths, telling them again for the umteenth time could indeed be quite dull.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:52 PM
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1. One note - Gwen Ifill, not Glen
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 11:53 PM by SidDithers
Otherwise, still reading :)

Sid

Edit then i mispelled her last name
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:57 PM
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6. Thanks
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:57 PM
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8. Another good read, Mr. Pitt...
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 12:02 AM by SidDithers
You could also hit Cheney with the "this is the first time I've met him" line. Everyone has their previous meetings now.

Sid

Edit: nevermind, obviously, you've got it :)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:54 PM
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2. Cheney's insistence on the meeting in Prague between
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 11:54 PM by Eric J in MN
Mohmmaed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence official, long after it was disproven, is the biggest link between Iraq and 9/11 was Cheney has pushed.
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Eternal_Vigilance Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:54 PM
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3. I wholeheartedly agree
The sole reason why the media can spin this debate as a potential Cheney victory is because he came out looking for blood. He spun out lies and deliberate distortions to paint Kerry and Edwards as weak on defense and national security. John Edwards had a message of hope and optimism, while Cheney once again relied on fearmongering and blatant lies to push his message. I saw through the spin and deception, hopefully the American people will see the same thing.
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Julian English Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:00 AM
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10. actually, a second reason the media can say Cheney won is that
in contrast to Bush's disaster anything else looks like a win
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:55 PM
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4. Very good rough. Should send that MSNBC so they can read it.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:57 PM
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5. SNARLING? Cheney? He MUMBLED THROUGHOUT. The USUALLY SNARLING
Cheney who, for some unknown reason, mumbled the entire 90 minutes.
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lefty_WOHM Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 06:17 AM
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31. ITA. I couldn't even understand him at least 1/4 of the time
And I'm only in my 30s--I still have pretty good hearing ;o)
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:43 AM
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32. Not only did he mumble, but he compounded the problem by
folding his arms in front of the microphone, numerous times. During those points, you could barely hear anything he said. Worked for me...
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:57 PM
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7. Good job, Will!
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:58 PM
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9. Cheney's ONLY connection ...

Cheney's ONLY connection seems to be Zarqawi. A man presumed to have lost a leg in Afghanistan and subsequently he was suspected killed in Iraq.

Now Zarqawi has had a new leg sewn on and is beheading Americans. The logic behind Zarqawi concealing his identity behind a mask while boldly proclaiming his name on the tape is unclear. And it's still possible that Zarqawi really IS dead and these guys are just using Zarqawi's name for "street cred".

What is interesting however is that the LONE CONTACT between Iraq and terrorism COULD HAVE been killed in Torah Borah along with Osama Bin Laden. However, the Bush boys screwed the pooch. They used flyswatters and the true nest of terrorism (Afghanistan) and they used a bug bomb on a country with only a few terrorists (Iraq).

If we followed their logic, we should have invaded Michigan and bombed out Detroit because of Timothy McVeigh????

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:44 AM
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39. Well, yes. There's a clear Michigan Militia connection there, and these
high level contacts indicate that this is the new front in the war on terror.
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Fatima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:01 AM
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11. This should be printed out and handed to any GOPer who yells "flip-flop"
There's enough flipflops here to outfit a surf shop

And the lies are pretty out there, too...
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:20 AM
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21. Can I use that line in the future?
That was good!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:02 AM
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12. Obsfucation. I love that word. Describes Cheney's performance
better than any other word I could ever think of.

It's hard to believe that Dick Cheney could have made himself look any colder and out of touch, but he did, and in spades.

Your report is great.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:03 AM
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13. "Avalanche of Lies"
I like it. In fact, I like it so much that I think the "snarling, hunch-shouldered golem" paragraph takes away from the credibility of your article. LIARS. That's enough and Cheney told a boatload.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:03 AM
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14. Yes, please print this soon
Cheney look like he won but he ain't the prize.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:07 AM
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16. It'll be ready in an hour
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:04 AM
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15. Great article Will...THANKS
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:07 AM
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17. Bush explicitly made the Iraq - Al Qaeda connection too !!
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 12:36 AM by welshTerrier2
much of the focus placed on bush's "mission accomplished" speech has been that the speech was absurdly premature and out of touch with the reality of the invasion ... unfortunately, two key items from bush's speech are far too often overlooked ... the following excerpt was taken directly from bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech:

source: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/05/01/bush.transcript/

The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of Al Qaida and cut off a source of terrorist funding.

And this much is certain: No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime, because the regime is no more.


you gotta love that last phrase ... the Iraqi regime won't be peddling WMD's to terrorists because we've "liberated Iraq" ... um, they also won't be selling WMD's to terrorist networks because THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY WMD'S TO SELL ...
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:10 AM
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18. Cheney seemed nervous and edgy for the first half, then winded and ...
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 12:10 AM by ReadTomPaine
... distracted after the comments regarding his daughter. He didn't seem to have his usual gravitas on display. I recall seeing his hands shaking, which shocked me.

RTP
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:16 AM
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19. Beautiful Will!
:evilgrin: :toast:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:18 AM
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20. PLEASE get the following info to the top levels of the campaign--
---quickly. Your choice of lead quote is excellent. One of our DUers got 7 of her comparatively uninformed and unpolitical friends to watch. Below is the only thing they remember--


The one thing that stuck with them at the end?

Cheney voted against MLK Day, funding for Head Start and funding for Meals on Wheels?

Their reaction was a big WHAT THE F*CK??? WHY would he DO that?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=980844&mesg_id=980844&page=

The top-level managers really need to act on this. Edwards missed a few chances to land good blows, but this one REALLY connected.



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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:21 AM
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22. They have it
and will have it again in a few minutes.

Thanks.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:24 AM
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23. An Excellent Piece, Mr. Pitt!
"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 12:41 AM
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24. Remember that polling group on C-Span with undecided voters?
Decided to play the home game. What picture comes to mind when you close you eyes of Cheney and Edwards? Ebinenzer Scrooge and Bob Cratchit! Read the description.

http://www.cedmagic.com/featured/christmas-carol/1984-xmas-humbug-scrooge.html



Ebinenzer Scrooge

"Oh! But he was a tight-fisted hand at the grind-
stone, Scrooge! a squeezing, wrenching, grasping,
scraping, clutching, covetous, old sinner! Hard and
sharp as flint, from which no steel had ever struck out
generous fire; secret, and self-contained, and solitary
as an oyster. The cold within him froze his old features,
nipped his pointed nose, shrivelled his cheek,
stiffened his gait; made his eyes red, his thin lips blue;
and spoke out shrewdly in his grating voice."
- A Christmas Carol, Stave 1: Marley's Ghost

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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 01:22 AM
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25. Dick Cheney shows * to be the idiot he is.
I enjoyed the exchange between Edwards & Cheney. They are both self made men that represented their parties well. I felt sorry for Cheney having to defend the gay baiting Bush administration.

The biggest damage done tonite was the sharp contrast between Cheney and Bush. Voters are going to look at this and wonder how Bush ever got a job where thinking is required.
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selmo7 Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 02:25 AM
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26. Excellent! Excellent! Thank You!
I was also happy to see the quick votes and ABC tried to slough off their so-called "Cheney win" by saying it was because they polled more Repubs and more Repubs watched the debate - oookay

Good Job Will -
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:09 AM
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28. Will, do you ever think a time will come
When either Kerry or Edwards will remind bush/cheney that they had an Anti Terrorism Czar in Richard Clarke, and they chose to ignore him? As well as ignoring the Hart/Rudman Report & not following up on the USS Cole?

I guess as a Ny'er, 3,000 dead and 2 towers down, does not give me the feeling bush/cheney are particularly "strong" on national security. One 9/11 with these guys was enough for me.

bush/cheney dont want us to forget 9/11 and for sure we never will, nor will we forget whose watch it occurred on, either.

I just wish Kerry/Edwards would remind them & the American people of that fact.

Great article! Really enjoyed it. Thanks.

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illuminaughty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:00 AM
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27. Great work!
One point I wish someone would take off on (besides the massive lies) is that if this administration wants to now consider the Iraqi body count part of the coalition body count, we could have some very interesting percentages loss wise.

This administration told us they didn't do body counts. But if they have flip flopped and decided to do just that, well let's get a real count of the contribution of the Iraqis. If the latest estimates are anywhere close to the truth, Iraq has taken around 97% percent of the casualties with Americans taking 3%. Let's see if they want to get honest with the American people by telling them what's really going on on the ground.
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 04:10 AM
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29. Cheney;30 years of Making Shit Up....
n/t
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 05:24 AM
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30. For a "rough," it shines, Will.
As always, appreciated.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 08:51 AM
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33. kick. great work!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:04 AM
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34. WHY didn't Edwards get to rebut Cheney's lies twice last night? (nt)
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Polemonium Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:05 AM
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35. Kick
nice read.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:25 AM
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36. What about his comment that they will everything they can to save Soc Sec?
Didn't Cheney say that?

Someone needs to call him on that one.

Unless it depends on the meaning of "saving Social Security".

I don't think people understand what the Bush/Cheney plan is and how devastating privatization would be.
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:42 AM
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37. whoever came up with the idea
to put Patric Leahy in the front row, right in front of Cheney last night is a freakin hero in my book! I would love to buy this person a drink!
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 09:43 AM
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38. It's amazing how many lies
Edited on Wed Oct-06-04 09:52 AM by devrc243
this man gets away with. He actually thinks--and so far has shown--that he is indeed above the law. I know his house of cards will come crashing down one day, but when--and how much more of his shit do we have to take before it does?

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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-04 10:43 AM
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40. He did not talk about the president at all. Did he even mention his name?
Very telling, isn't it?

You are right, Cheney looked bored to tears.

It's a great article, Will.
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