Have The Powers That Be Decided It's Time For Shrub To Go?

I know I'm risking being fitted out with a foil hat, but what the hell...

The Duelfer Report, Bremer's "ill-considered" remarks to a bunch of insurance salesmen, the CIA laughing off Shrub's Iraq/WMD claims, Rummy shooting off his mouth about Saddam's nonexistent connections to Al Qaeda, and, of course, Powell's interesting statements a few weeks back regarding his embarrassment over the bullshit he laid on the UN a couple of years ago.

Is this really a coincidence? Why this sudden torrent of revelations all aimed at dissing Shrub and his Iraq disasters? And right around the debates, too. It's almost to good to be true.

Can it be that the establishment powers in our nation's beloved capital have finally decided it is time that the Little President moves on? That this ridiculous and dangerously clueless individual cannot be allowed to cause any further damage to our nation?

Of course, the consequences for those who are causing so much political damage to Bush would not be pleasant should he win another term. They must be very confident that what they are putting out there will finish Bush off politically. I doubt that I'd want to be in their shoes should the gambit fail. After all, they didn't become the establishment by taking unnecessary risks.

I'll bet they have a lot more.

* just can't hack it. All they needed was a figurehead, a face from the right family. They thought anybody could do the job. Then, they went with Dubya and now they're thinking, "Well, maybe not ANYBODY."

They finally figured out shrub's not competent enough to be a puppet.

Bush out is because he has awaken the masses to how bad government really is. Rumor also said if he should get elected, he will be impeached. They really want him out.

You have the Plame scandal which leads right into Dick Cheney's office. More revelations that Shrub lied his way into the Iraq War. More revelations of improper ties with the likes of Haliburton and other companies in the rewarding of windfall (illegal) contracts for work in Iraq. It just keeps on going with this administration.

Not to mention conviction in a Pug Senate?

I heard one of the * advisors disputing the no-bid contracts.

To paraphrase:
She said that no other contractor was able to bid because they wouldn't be able to do the job in time.

Really now. Then how was it possible that Haliburton could?
Did they know something ahead of time? Makes you wonder if they weren't prepared already.

I've also heard from some pretty reliable sources that ads for ex-soldiers to do ah-hem “contract” work (read mercenary) in Iraq are being run by Haliburton. These guys are thick as thieves with the Bush administration.

about the impeachment.
I can only surmise by the closeness of the race that they will do anything, including having a nimrod in the WH, to keep their power and control. But now I'm not so sure. These statements by Powell, Rumsfeld and Bremer, at this time, can't be an accident.
The weird part is * goes about his day as if everything is just dandy.
Are they voting to elect him but then impeach him to keep a repug as president? How would that work?

going in the dumpster and he is quitter by nature; look at his past performances in business. He also hates "hard work", having never, ever had to do any, and you know he's just sick of clearing that damn brush on the ranchita for those photo-ops. Besides, Jeb is the one they really want and if George wins again, Jeb would have to wait 8 years to run. They are hoping the Dems clean up the mess in the meantime.

It's hard to fathom that the Republican Party would "select" another Bush when the first 2 were unmitigated one-term disasters. Jeb many be better than his dad and brother but that ain't saying much. I think by now the Bush Family has more than worn out their welcome on the political scene.

If * steals the election again he will actually have to take FULL responsibility for the mess he has created and there will not be another Repub President for a generation (assuming we will still have real elections after four more years). If he loses the Bush family will be too much damaged goods for any of them to have any chance of running again.

the next few years are going to tough on whoever gets the job. Unless things go well the "I told you so's" will echo beyond tedium.

I don't care about the shrub grand scheme. I just know that deficit spending is a tax increase on posterity. And if the pResident believes so much in this cause, why won't he pay for it NOW.

On the executive side, there are obviously folks within the administration--especially State but the CIA and Defense as well who are royally pissed at the administration.

On the political side (in congress and out in the states) there are a lot of republicans who are uncomfortable with the deficit, the extremeism on social issues and the tendency toward thuggery.

There's an old political saying: it's better to lose an election than lose control of the party."

I think there are a lot of Republicans who'd feel better if the twit went down--including a number of people who want to begin salvaging their reputations.

shrub has never beeen able to do anything right always had daddys cronies and money to fix things for him. They're finding out that it won't work this time so hey let someone else fix it!!!!

...clean up after the Repubs have turned the government into a pigsty.

... Bush's failures forced the question at the worst possible time.

Bush administration in a way proves that such power structures are not absolute, but comprised of struggling ideologies that seize control when circumstances permit.

There is no way a well organized, single line of 'establishment power' would have picked this group of under-performing lunatics for the purpose of running the country. Instead it reveals something worse. As things currently stand, any strongman with the tactics, contacts and the misanthropy to push aside the boundaries of our government can turn the might of our nation to their design.

How can anyone doubt this, now?

RTP

...but If Bush is kicked out of office that theory goes out the window.

I thought, for there to be middle class wealth for large corporations to steal, there has to be middle class. It's like they let a Democrat become president every once in a while to fill up the pot with gold so there's something worth stealing. Republicans clearly don't have enough patriotism or self-control or whatever to not be so utterly greedy so that the middle class can build up some wealth.

That's what Mike Ruppert said over a year ago. Some here may not see Ruppert as being credible, but things seem to be working out according to plan.

if they think that they will lose their seats, if the charges are bad enough and outrageous enough the repukes trying to save their asses will vote to impeach. They are all out to cover their own butts.

like the CIA. They'll be releasing more and more damning stuff the closer the election gets. There are also plenty of arch-conservatives who would love to see * go due to the disasterous effects of his spending priorities on the US economy. Don't know if they'd actively help dump him, but they sure wouln't cross the street to piss on * if he were on fire.

Nothing to do with "the powers that be". Everything to do with some Americans with a conscience left in the "corridors of power", and "chickens coming home to roost" as a result. Hope it's enough but it seems like half the country is asleep. Weird!

Gyre

From everything I've heard about the rank and file of the CIA, the spooks are damn POed at him, no doubt about it. While they might not be the best at getting accurate intell all the time (see the missing of India's nuke test), these guys wrote the more subtle parts of the book of black ops and they KNOW how to smear a man out of power. That and the Pentagon doesn't like Rumsfeld and his people because they are incompetent fools who think they are Lee incarnate. Between those two, as well as the effective unification of the left and the possibility that thanks to Bush the pukes might lose the house in this coming election, I think that Bush will be on his way out.

I was wondering the same thing myself. From what bits & pieces I've been able to gather, the GOP really didn't want either Bush OR Cheney a second time around. Who would?

I can't imagine anything more pitiful than hitching my star, or in this case, the future of my party to these 2 clowns. They really are a pair of losers, and anyone with a small amount of discernment can see that. Cheney sure showed me that last night.

He seems like a fanatical, greed-obsessed maniac who does not connect with people in general. And worse, it doesn't seem to bother him. So yes, the party has a dilemma on its hands. What to do? I think the time has passed.

Unless they have a dark horse replacement waiting in the wings. Who knows? Maybe they decided to let Bush & Cheney do their best and see what the ratings show. I think they know more than the rest of us....that the polls are crappy for them.

Recall how the rumour was spread about Cheney being dumped. For a few days, Cheney and Lynne were in panic mode. I think the word got out that The Cheater was out, and he's still trying to hang on.

And now Bremer speaking out. Also Powell. And amazingly, RumsFailed. It's not a coincidence. There's something going on behind the scenes. Keep your eyes open. Stay tuned to the DU, and we might find out soon enough.

Maybe that's the October surprise we've been hearing about......

I had been kicking this around all day at work. This sudden swell of revelations regarding how we got mired in this wretched war, coupled with the notion that the media has begun stepping back from Shrub and appears to be considering a possible Kerry victory, all of it just seems too good.

There has been a shift in perception about this race in the last week or so, as if the transfer of power has already begun. Has the established institutional power in America begun to realign with the Democratic candidates? Is this how it will happen in 2004?

Not that I'm complaining, mind you. But this isn't that nice guy Joe from down the street running for town council, either. Kerry moves and shakes in the highest levels of national power, and winning that world over to his side has got to be an important step to his assuming the presidency.

But the thing that really kicked this line of speculation off for me was watching Cheney last night. To me he looked like this old war horse who knows he is fighting a lost battle, but is fighting it anyway just to show those that he knows are involved in throwing him over that he can still fight and still draw blood.

The real loser in this power struggle would have to be Cheney. Shrub was never really all that important to the deal. Deep down inside Cheney most likely cherishes some truly awful opinions of the little idiot he's propped up these last 3 and a half years.

Bremmer is just covering his own ass now that everyone with a better than eighth grade worldview understands that Iraq was a boondogle of the highest degree. Then again, it's possible that his loyalties are with his buds in the CIA, who have definitely decided that Chimp and Rove and Rummler have fucked with them once too often.

Either way, somebody smells blood and is circling for the kill. It's tragic, though, that so many good people have died before the political end game began.

so badly in the first debate and why Cheney gave a below-par performance in the VP debate. It crossed my mind that they don't want to win or at least are so resigned to losing that they've run out of steam.

:tinfoilhat: Always a proud supporter of the Grassy Knoll Society! :tinfoilhat:

Bush complains that being president is "hard work". Given his performance last Thursday, I think he has had enough and is ready to step down. In that case, Cheney will be sworn in as president next January.

If not, note that Bush has put his annual physical off until January. He appears to be in the early stages of dementia, as has been suggested elsewhere in this forum. His doctors may proclaim that Bush is unable to continue as president, so Cheney gets it.

If we think Bush is bad, wait until we get Cheney - Darth Vader! Just the thought of that should motivate us to work all the harder to see to it that Kerry wins the election!