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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:14 AM
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Gallup "determines" who the "handpicked" audience is for St Louis...happy?
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 09:14 AM by cthrumatrix
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The two campaigns also agreed to the commission’s selection of moderators: Jim Lehrer of PBS for the first, Charles Gibson of ABC for the second, Bob Schieffer of CBS for the third, and Gwen Ifill of PBS for the vice presidential debate.

The two sides agreed that the three presidential debates would just be between Bush and Kerry and not include any third-party candidates, such as Ralph Nader.

The two campaigns debated over the format of the town-hall style session in St. Louis.

The final agreement calls for a live audience of between 100 and 150 persons who describe themselves as likely voters who are either “soft” Bush supporters or “soft” Kerry supporters — with an equal number from each group. Audience members will be selected by the Gallup poll organization.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6058141/

I suspect there are bigtime "crowd plants" by Rove to "whoop it up" for AWOL ... and I don't trust Gallup.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:21 AM
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1. Wasn't it originally to have been 4,000 people??
Now it's 150 tops??

WTF?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:23 AM
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2. Couldn't find enough "SOFT" supporters?
Maybe the bush camp couldn't find soft supporters for their boy turd.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:24 AM
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3. There will have to be something
for them to justify declaring bush the winner, like the media did with the VP debate.
In the VP they hung it on the fatherly figure of dickhead.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:25 AM
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4. If this is done "straight" it's bad for Bush
Bush's support is polling much firmer right now.

Soft Kerry voters are mainstream Democrats who need some reassurance.

Soft Bush voters are people BEGGING for a reason to not vote Bush.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:28 AM
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5. This Is No Reason to trust gallop..
Why can't we get some Zogby influence in there? We that be to much to ask?

Kerry can answer the tough questions by "soft"bush twits..but bush needs some tough ones, too!
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 09:29 AM
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6. You can bet the farm.........
That with Gallup in charge the audience will be very pro-Bush no matter what they tell you. They've been pushing the Krazy Kowboy right from the start and there's no reason for them to start now.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:26 AM
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7. there has to be a way to flush this out....
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:28 AM
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8. Gallup are Repig loyalists - don't trust them (n/t)
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:31 AM
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9. Eh, what's a couple of "plants" going to do?
And how do we know there won't be an order of silence at the meeting?

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:33 AM
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10. I'd like to know how they are determining who leans Bush/Kerry.
Do they have a series of questions designed to weed out plants? Seems like it would be pretty easy for a Bush supporter to answer questions in a way to make it seem they were a soft Kerry supporter.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:37 AM
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11. The interviews of the "audience" afterwards will be the setup...
would be a possibility.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:41 AM
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12. I heard the questions are pre-screened and if any one in the audience
asks an unscreened question it will be blanked out. There will be no surprises from the audience anyway. I am not sure whether the candidates have been made privvy to the questions or not. Also I watched Bob Shiefer on Daily Show last night and he said he would write his own questions and had not yet done so. He said no one would have access to them before hand.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:42 AM
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13. One wonders if Gallup will 'oversample'
Chimpy McCokespoon's supporters by 15-20% for this event, as they have been repeatedly doing in their polls?

Though this polling behavior has been mentioned in several places, I have not seen one justification or rationalization of it from Gallup. My guess is, there is no legitimate reason that would even begin to be a smokescreen for doing this, apart from blatant partisanship.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:50 AM
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14. I think they got hammered on it already
so they will be VERY careful.

They went into full defense mode when their sacred polling was correctly questionsed; you know MoveOn is ready to hammer them again if they fuck this up. And notice how the results of their polling has changed since then, BTW?
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