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Joz Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:22 PM
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Odd Vote Democratic! flyer
Out of all the election flyers we got, I thought this one was pretty cool when I first looked at it, but then thought it was odd because of some of the props they said yes/no to, particularly 78/79. I was like, is this from the DLC democrats?? Plus check it out, how old is that picture of Phil Angelides!?







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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:24 PM
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1. Its not from the DNC
I got one too... The local media here said it was a dirty trick...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:26 PM
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2. Brought to you by Big Pharma?
Scum.
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:32 PM
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3. This is very deceitful
A group of millionaires did this in an attempt to sink the Mental Health Prop for kids in Nov 2004 (last year). I was flaming mad when I saw that!!

We need to find out who created that and out them as an expose in a major newspaper or TV show.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:50 PM
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4. It's bogus and deliberately deceptive
All those "party slate" flyers are bogus if they don't specifically and prominently say they're from the state or national Dem party committee. I get "Dem" flyers that have contradictory endorsements all the time. Don't try to make sense of them, don't pay any attention to them, don't even let them stay around to collect dust. Shitcan them immediately. The odd pattern of endorsements on that one looks like it's a big pharma scam to make you think that the people who oppose Arnie's collection of trash props also support their trash prop.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:57 PM
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5. Everyone I know got one of these and lots of people got confused
the big pharma people are shameless...no, the are criminal.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:57 PM
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6. Someone should take them to court on this...
Perhaps folks like Angelides, etc. who are "implicitly" made to favor this ballot position by using their likeness and other attributions to them and Democrats to make it appear that they also endorse 78 and want to vote down 79. I got this one last night coming home too.

Also curious that this particular flyer was mailed out near the last day before the election. Had this come out a week earlier, I'm sure someone would have pressured those responsible to issue a retraction. Unfortunately now, the damage may be already done by those voting at the last minute.
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Joz Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:03 PM
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7. We did get this about a week ago. n/t
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:10 PM
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8. The Center for Public Integrity has some limited info ...
found by a google search ... under the topic "Silent Partners" ...

Democratic Voters Choice
555 S. Flower Street
Los Angeles, CA 90071

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/profile.aspx?act=dir&sub=1&cycle=2004&id=206

"No Officers Listed in Registration Filing or most recent registration filed on paper for Democratic Voters Choice"


I take it that Monrovia Mailing Co. (the postage stamp) is a legit biz???

the center's website might help DU sleuths

FWIW, sample info:

Donors for Democratic Voters Choice

Donor Amount Contributed
1. MARK PRICE FOR SCHOOL BOARD $200

Mark has been an active leader in the Republican Party. He is a member of the California Republican Party, the Republican National Committee and a past Senate District Director with the California Republican Assembly. He is also a founder and Trustee of Ronald Reagan’s Republican Presidential Task Force, which works to elect Republican candidates to office throughout the nation.
http://www.markprice.com/biography.html

ALPINE UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT
Scott Barr 12-1-06 Ann Pierce** 12-5-08
Steve Hunyar 12-1-06 Mark Price* 12-5-08
Mary Wiggins 12-1-06
http://www.sdcoe.k12.ca.us/business/legal/GovBoardList2005.pdf
http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/11/02/ca/sd/vote/price_mk/
http://www.smartvoter.org/2004/11/02/ca/sd/school.html

2. Townsend Raimundo Besler & Usher, Inc. -$1,200


who is Townsend Raimundo Besler & Usher?
http://www.trbu.com/clients/clients.html#null

knowx.com might be a helpful research resource


http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/profile.aspx?act=dir&sub=5&cycle=2000&id=206


This opens when clicking the floppy disc symbol next to
PRE 2000 $70,542


The records contained in this file come from electronic data released by the Internal Revenue Service and is provided by the Center for Public Integrity on an as-is basis. It does not contain records from filings submitted to the IRS on paper, although those records are part of the Center's database. Committees that have only filed on paper will show no records in this file. If you are interested in paper-based records, please contact Agustin Armendariz (aarmendariz@publicintegrity.org) via email or by calling 202-466-1300.

FilingID ReportYear BeginDate EndDate

strReportTitle IRS_RecordNo EmployerIDNumber Committee Contrib Address1 Address2 City State Zip Employer Occupation ContribAmount dtContDate ContribAggregate

954521073-8872-0001 2000 20000930 Q3 93783 954521073 Democratic Voters Choice . . . . 106285

954521073-8872-0002 2000 20001018 PRE 93784 954521073 Democratic Voters Choice . . . . 70541.72

954521073-8872-0004 2000 20001231 YE 93786 954521073 Democratic Voters Choice
TOWNSEND RAIMUNDO BESLER & USHER INC 1717 I ST SACRAMENTO CA 95814 -1200
954521073-8872-0004 2000 20001231 YE 93787 954521073 Democratic Voters Choice
MARK PRICE FOR SCHOOL BOARD 330 ENCINITAS BLVD #101 ENCINITAS CA 92024 200
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:11 PM
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9. Know the enemy
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 09:11 PM by Gormy Cuss
This is a slate mailer put out by a sleaze named Thomas Kaptain. An earlier handy mailer of his was challenged in court but he prevailed because the letter of the law was met (the box on the outside with the disclaimer is all that the law requires.)
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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:15 PM
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10. That's why I'm saying this:
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 09:15 PM by 99Pancakes
We need to publically humiliate them by an expose in a newspaper or TV show. Got any ideas? Who would do a story like that?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:24 PM
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12. Send it to L.A. Weekly. Their the alternative to the Times
and a Brazillion people read it.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 09:40 PM
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11. That's not right!
79&80 are the only Dem friendly measures - the rest are solid NO'S!!!!
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Misskittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 10:24 PM
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13. I got it, too. I was really surprised and annoyed. n/t
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