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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 07:44 AM
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Dems feel that a Duckworth run will make the 6th competitive. . .
. . .now of course we should not take our cues from the press but this appeared in The Hill, however this article implies that a Cegelis nomination would make the race uncompetitive.

-snip-
Should Duckworth run, the general election would be one of the few contests in the country that would be truly competitive next year, Democrats contend.

Democrats in Washington have praised Cegelis as smart and likable but voiced skepticism about her chances of beating Roskam, despite routinely adding that Roskam is “too conservative” for the district.

Roskam has been endorsed by Hyde. The candidate once worked for Hyde and former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas).
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http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Campaign/120605_story1.html
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:13 PM
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1. if they can't turn that district behind bozo the clown
they should turn over the reins. 6% plus one is all they need. if they can't get that, in this political climate, they really need to give someone else a crack at the leadership. really, this district is changing demographically toward blue collar, traditionally dem voters. the party is growing there. how long ago was it that there was no such thing as the dupage democratic party? i was at a couple of their events last year. they are awesome, fired up, and pissed off.
and these are not fundie, bushbot republicans out there. they are educated informed voters. many are already seeing the corruption that has been hiding under the prolife veil. they know who tom delay is. many are angry at being duped. and most of all, many are well aware of the concept of debt, and the concept of borrowing money from the chinese, and making their children pay it back.
whoever wins the primary, the dccc had better be out there working their ass off for the winner. i know i will be. i know many other chicago dems will as well.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 02:28 PM
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2. which Democrats? n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 02:32 PM by LSK



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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:29 PM
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3. Rahm is wasting 100's of thousands of Cegelis and DCCC money
in a primary fight. Money that should be used against the GOP. If Duckworth loses, I think we have every right to have Rahm Emmanuel removed as head of OUR Congressional Campaign Committee!

In the Cegelis Camp, we are more confident than ever. We use volunteers who live in district and have 3 times our number of signatures we need. Everyone knows this race is hot and we welcome Rahm pity puppet. If Duckworth can actually speak someday perhaps we'll all have some idea, what in God's name she stands for.

So far we are simply re-doubling our fundraising and true grassroots efforts. People know where Christine stands on the issues. These are exciting times. Perhaps some good may come from all the national exposure Rahm's craven personal power move will generate. Hope springs eternal.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 08:37 AM
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4. He is not spending in DCCC money in the primary
:kick:
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:14 PM
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5. We'll have to look into that....and monitor that...
Who's paying for all of his appearances on radio? I'll have to contact the DCCC. They're ever so nice there.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:22 PM
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7. Speaking of radio appearances,
he was great on Al Franken at the Steppenwolf Friday. He is a solid spokesperson for the DCCC.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:47 AM
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8. He's a Lieberman and his stupid 20 billion dollar "lake" project
is a JOKE and a distraction. Yes, Al flutters around the powers that be like a moth. Notice how he totally avoided the ISSUE OF THE WAR!!


What the HELL, spend 20 billion dollar on the LAKE!??? What a boondoggle, nonstarter IDIOTIC THING to be 'for'. Excuse me Rahm... 1) we are LOSIING YOUR war. 2) New Orleans is MISSING. It was totally comical how Al had to AVOID ALL ISSUES OF ANY IMPORT when talking to Lieberman Clone.

Al's selling his book and did a Larry King 'interview' with Mr Kryptonite. You keep on braggin, but I see not one single other person on DU that supports Duckworth. youre gonna lose, then will take back the DCCC. Christine would be a great person to run it. Haha. Al, yes he is always nice to losers, like the Blago interview... fluff all fluff.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 05:06 AM
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13. And it would be more productive if Al attacked Democrats?
Al talks quite a bit about the Iraq War and had discussed it at length with Obama. At this point Al agrees with the majority of elected Democrats about the War. Neither Al or Rahm promoted Duckworth in the show either. I'm not surprised that a show in Chicago with Illinois politicians and limited time did not get into a discussion of New Orleans. Unlike Lieberman I have not heard Rahm call for support of Bushco's Iraq policy.
I'm not going to lose because I am not a Duckworth supporter. If she becomes a candidate and has a stand on the issues I support, I might become one however. I sure was turned off by the Cegelis supporters who were in attendance and Ruben Zamora was not helped by their presence with him. There are times and places for everything, rudeness among Dems is obnoxious. Of course Franken's show is fluffy, it's infotainment not street theater. That is one of the reasons Maron was not renewed yet. The Great Lakes Project was a topic because that is why Obama and Emanuel were in Chicago that day and were available as live guests for the show.

Snip>Today, at Navy Pier U.S. Representatives Rahm Emanuel (D-IL), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) and U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) held a press conference to call on the President to endorse and work quickly to implement the recommendations of the Great Lakes Regional Collaboration Strategy. In advance of next Monday’s final report of the GLRC, Emanuel, Schakowsky, and Obama called on President Bush to finish what he began. Obama will seek hearings in the Senate on implementing the Great Lakes Regional Collaboration Strategy.<snip

Yes Al is selling his book and moving his show to Minnesota to prepare his run for the Senate. Before Christine can run anything beyond her business she will have to win a campaign. Best of luck to her.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:51 AM
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9. Could it be that Rahm is representing Yacht Owners
so he can spend 20 Billion dollars on a Lake. Honestly what a funny funny interview and world Rahm Israel Emmanuel lives in. The Democrats in the 6th district don't have any YATCHs.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 04:40 AM
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10. You forgot to attack Jan Schakowsky and Barack Obama.
They were involved also.

Snip>CHICAGO, IL—Today, at Navy Pier U.S. Representatives Rahm Emanuel (D-IL), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) and U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) held a press conference to call on the President to endorse and work quickly to implement the recommendations of the Great Lakes Regional Collaboration Strategy. In advance of next Monday’s final report of the GLRC, Emanuel, Schakowsky, and Obama called on President Bush to finish what he began. Obama will seek hearings in the Senate on implementing the Great Lakes Regional Collaboration Strategy. ... To date, more than 1,500 people have participated in the GLRC process, including mayors, governors, Indian Tribes, NGOs, Members of Congress, and representatives of the Federal Government. With tens of thousands of man hours invested, the Great Lakes Regional Strategy represents the culmination of decades of research on Great Lakes issues and is the definitive action plan for the preserving and restoring the Great Lakes. Calling for nearly $20 billion in investments in the region, the document presents a broad vision for tackling aquatic invasive species, protecting species and their habitat, improving coastal health, and reducing toxic pollution.<snip

To some people conservation and the thought of protecting a vital resource that provides water to millions is a waste, at least that seems to be the attitude of Bushco. One more thing, The Great Lakes is larger than one Lake. I'll guarantee you people of the 6th District drink Lake Michigan water.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 04:46 AM
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11. It borders on Lunacy...
But that is just my take. Lake Michigan is doing great and I don't see it a national priority. Not suprising local politicians advocating 20 billion.

I've put a whole bunch of issues on hold to stop the war and literally save this country. Maybe this part of that, but I would rather see New Orlean rebuilt.

If the Lake is really bad, its really the first I heard of it.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 04:51 AM
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12. I always thought our water was the best in the nation
and the great lakes are pcb free.

Yes we have a couple of invasive species. DId you know their is a huge dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico. Is Chicago water bad? Really? Honest just didn't know about it.


The main point is that Rahm is at odds with the bulk of the party and the Daley Machine... See that's a problem.


Billions to 'save the lake' ok......i guess... how about a hydrogen cell, or like a million other things first. Or maybe like 1 billion. or 2... Just my opinion..


People dying, planets screwed, air is screwed, lake.... i dunno, I thought that was doing ok?
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 05:14 AM
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14. Actually it's five lakes.
Use google sometime and learn more about your own environment, Fresh water is likely to become a more important commodity than oil.
Here is a good start,

http://www.great-lakes.net/teach/

Snip>The Great Lakes--Superior, Michigan, Huron, Erie and Ontario--and their connecting channels form the largest fresh surface water system on Earth. North America from space. If you stood on the moon, you could see the lakes and recognize the familiar wolf head shape of Lake Superior, or the mitten bounded by lakes Michigan, Huron and Erie.
The Great Lakes, in their current state, are actually one of the youngest natural features on the North American continent. Covering more than 94,000 square miles and draining more than twice as much land, these Freshwater Seas hold an estimated 6 quadrillion gallons of water, about one-fifth of the world's fresh surface water supply and nine-tenths of the U.S. supply.

Fun Facts
Spread evenly across the contiguous 48 states, the lakes' water would be about 9.5 feet deep.

All five of the Great Lakes are among the world's 18 largest lakes by area and volume.

The Great Lakes and islands within them have more than 10,000 miles of coastline.<snip
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 05:24 AM
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15. I'm too busy.. totally on back burner now that proto-fascism has
taken over 1/2 of the National Democratic Party, fielding Bushco collaborators. How can anything be more important than say the War. You didn't answer my question.


Is my water bad or somethiNG?
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 10:21 AM
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16. You have me wondering.
There are wars on many fronts. Destroying the Democratic leadership strikes me as enabling Bushco. Is Cegelis' only issue the War? If so she does her constituency a disservice. We need full service candidates that can address a multitude of issues.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 01:59 PM
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18. Rahm Emmanual is a terrrible leader and this election will prove it!
Edited on Sun Dec-11-05 02:00 PM by Chicago Democrat
So, who'se really a Democrat? A pro-war, pro-patriot act neocon Lieberman ally who picks a pity puppet to run against the established anti-war Democrat.


Rahm serves Bushco and himself. I serve Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer, and Jack Murtha AND SO DOES CHRISTINE CEGELIS. People are gonna see thru Duckbreath in 5 minutes. Can't wait for her to open her mouth, so far its been LAUGHABLE.

"There are good and bad in all things" regarding Iraq War
"I will never vote for a pro-life judge" interesting, see Tammy in America the Senate votes for judges. You did study the constitution in High School? Did you even finish high school?


Can't wait for Duckbreat to prove she's an uneducated opportunist cashing in on her injuries and totally out of step with everyone who is a Democrat. She should run against Roskam in the Republican primary.


NAME OTHER PRO-LIFE, PRO-WAR CATHOLIC FANATICS?

Alito
Scalia
That's her constituency, oh and Rahm Emmanuel. Oh and Joe Lieberman.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:25 PM
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19. So you are calling Duckworth a "pitty puppet?"
So classy, you are representing Cegelis supporters so well.

While I'll admit I don't know a lot about Duckworth (who I'm supporting) I'm very interested in your knowledge of her.

She is uneducated? She is an opportunist? She is Republican?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:34 PM
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20. You serve Jack Murtha. . .
. . .that shows me how f'ed up your judgement is. I applaud, salute and respect Jack Murtha, he is a great man, but he is an F'ing hawk. He has spoken truth to power as it relates to Iraq, but he is a hawk. You agree with him on this one issue, but he is a hawk. I support Murtha, but I disagreed with his initial support of this war (as I do with others' support of the war), I will not be knee jerked into saying I serve him, nor will I be knee jerked to bashing him when he does something I don't agree with. I'm pragmatic, on this issue and others I stand with Jack Murtha, and on other issues I reserve the right to disagree with him.

Your post is such and f'ing joke, I don't question your position, I just question your decision making skills. . .I see how your mind works and its an f'ing joke.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:39 PM
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21. This from someone who calls Obama a shithead. . .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=150&topic_id=9933&mesg_id=9979

LOL. . .and I predict that when Obama has a truth to power momement and attacks the administration you will be talking about how you serve him, only to bash him a week later. . .LOL
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 02:45 PM
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22. How about a claim to be anti-fascist and then criticizing Democratic
leaders who are trying to hold Bushco to environmental commitments? Commitments they are trying to avoid in order to serve corporate interests. How about wanting to save lives from war so they can come home and live in a degraded environment that will affect far more people in the future? Calling a patriot Duckbreath is just an indication of the thought process involved.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-11-05 12:24 PM
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17. no, he is just telling the fat cats to cough it up.
somebody is spending money. duckworth has a pr campaign behind her that is mind boggling. those are not free. she has the machine apparatus behind her. that is not free. david axelrod does not work for free.
so, not spending dccc money is not a comfort to me. it means that money is being spent under the radar. so, we could use a little sunshine here.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:21 PM
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6. Sure I'll kick this shitty possibly illegal article... here's MY response
I emailed the author... I'm talking about crap like this.... Old Boy NeoCon Lieberman Militarist War Loving network. Using NATIONAL ASSETS FOR A SMEAR CAMPAIGN. The issue? RAHM EMMANUEL Militaristic Propaganda Smear Campaign

Subject: Unbelievably biased and bad coverage...
To: psavodnik@thehill.com


What a confusing, non-article about a non-candidate. Basically a political partisan attack ad masking as news. Cegelis got Hyde to retire! She made this race. People DO know Cegelis in the district and when they find out what a craven, ridiculous move the DCCC is pulling they will react accordingly! Rahm is using national Democratic money to attack anti-war Democrats, like a 5th column. Which party is Rahm working for? Who are you working for? Nameless Democrats...

How dare you say Durbin isn't supporting Cegelis. He said he wasn't getting involved. Then you say he's for Duckworth. Then you say Cegelis said he's for Duckworth? But her quote doesn't say that. Could that be you putting words in her mouth?

Durbin forced his staff to not help her on the job. Then you misrepresented the situation completely. Its a dishonest article and this Duckworth is the work of a neocon pro-war Democrats who think she can be controlled. Gee, they're moving her here. Paying for the signatures and trashing the candidate with a staff, 100 volunteers, grass roots support, you think she'll be indebted to them? A disgusting waste of precious national Democratic resources is the real story. Its about ignoring the will of the people of the 6th district and its about the hubris of neo-con Lieberman Democrats.

Perhaps using vets as pity puppets plays in DC, but it doesn't here in the 6th district. People remember Christines' positions on the war and now Murtha and others are coming to the correct view on this war. Rahm and Joe Lieberman are working for Bush and for the continuation of the failed policies of the "Republican-lite" crowd.

Duckworth was literally recruited at Walter Reid! Its the political version of ambulance chasing. Is she actually a candidate or is she a pawn. People will see thru this charade and we don't like carpetbaggers paid for by backstabbers and collaborators.
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