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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:13 PM
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What exactly is Keyes up to? He may not be "victorious"?
I think they're really trying to save right wing congressmen Crane and Hyde from defeat by energizing the red meat crowd in their base using the typical old wedge issues that continue to inflame them.
They know their people very, very well, don't they?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:14 PM
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1. I agree with your assessment.
"The owls aren't always what they seem."
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:59 PM
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2. Hastert is in trouble too.
A lot of Republicans around here are likely to stay home, and none of the Democrats.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 08:43 PM
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3. That's The Wrong Move If They Want To Save Crane & Hyde
I posted this elsewhere but the locals in my area (I'm in the Crain Drain...hic)...are very restless, but not for Alan Keyes. Their pissed about how Fitzgerald (who lives in our "hood"...if you call $1,000,000+ mansions a hood) was handled, the regular party (and Hastert) selling out in the O'hare expansion and then slighting Steve Rauschenberger in both the primaries and then after Jack Ryan was forced out. Lots are looking very close at the Liberatarians.

Ironically, I was driving to DeKalb today and popped on WRMN in Elgin. There was a "Liberatarian" talking about the Keyes candidacy and taking phone calls. The host said he could never vote for keys based on his votes in favor of the Iraq invasion (his words) and the war on drugs (of course). The hour turned into a bash session, first of Keyes (citing his flip-flop on Hillary "carpetbagging", his defense of the patriot act and abortion (yes, abortion...remember this is a liberatarian).

A lot of the callers were half attempting to sell the host on Keyes, and it wasn't too convincing. He had most of them doing the "and...buts"...and on the defensive about Keyes and the state party in general. That's when the show got fun. One caller claimed that Keyes candidacy was a set-up by the DEMOCRATS...yes, folks, it our fault...the host laughed at him, asking why would they put up someone for what appeared to be an uncontested seat? Silence. Then the caller starting tearing in on Judy Topinka (why do they have a woman in charge of the party?), Corrine Wood (she's so "liberal" she should be a Democrat), Hastert (he's too "beltway", he doesn't are about us anymore) and the state party "establishment" for allowing all the corruption to go on. I could hear the host egging him on and within a few minutes had the caller agreeing with a lot of what the Liberatarians stand for. The caller said he had to vote for *, but he'd look at the Liberatarians. The host then asked why he had to do that? The caller went silent again and said "maybe I should look at the whole thing". Damn I wish I could have taped this.

I still look back on our local 4th of July parade and Crane, who used to show, was a no-show for the second year in a row...and the first election. He was here in 2000 right after his drunk tank stay. In fact, there was only the local state rep and that was it. I later found out that he's having lots of problems getting people involved in the election...and many around here are talking about sitting this election out. Not a bad thing at all.

It was an intersting ride as I only saw ONE Bu__Sh__ sticker, but a whole bunch of Kerrys...in DeKalb AND KANE counties. Near the NIU campus I ran into a stretch of houses (not dorm or apartments) that had Kerry posters in their windows. My guess is those are professors.

If this were a homegrown "true Conservative" (isn't that an oxymoron?), I'd agree with your premise, but Keyes is more an embarassment and an insult to these people than an inspiration.

The clock's now running on Keyes to get some statewide support or it'll tear that party further apart. The blame list is long enough already and if Keyes goes down bad, we'll have some fun times. I wouldn't be suprised if you see a third party develop out of this...maybe a harbinger of what will happen on the national level.

Cheers!
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 10:22 PM
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4. I think Keyes only mission is to smear Obama any way he can
Edited on Mon Aug-09-04 10:24 PM by xray s
The national repukes know Obama is already elected, and that any smears by Keyes will backfire big time in Illinois.

But the smears will be reported by the national media, and in places where Obama is less well know they may stick in the back of folks minds.

Where they will fester and be nurtured by the rabid right until Barack eventually makes a national bid.

The Rovians are looking way down the road and trying to poison the waters for Obama in '12 or '16.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:58 PM
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5. Exactly
He is a hired gun brought in for character assasination. He'll leave and the Illlinois GOP will pretend they're clean. The national GOP is very afraid of Obama and the excitement he has brought to the Dem Party.
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 11:57 PM
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6. I highly doubt Crane/Hyde/Hastert will be beaten
call me cynical, but I can't see any of them losing.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:15 AM
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8. Hastert's Safe...But...
One reason is the poorly organized Democratic party in Kane County. While there's a large and growing black and hispanic population in that county (Aurora should be a goldmine), the GOOP is as strong there as in any county in the Chicago area. It'd be nice to see Mr. Speaker get spanked with only 55, not 65 percent of the vote.

Hyde is expected to retire and while I don't think he's going to lose, either, the election in 2 years is another story. Again, there's large numbers of hispanics that have moved into the district and can be organized...along with the growing number of us city kids who are now "booming" out in the burbs.

Crane is the most vulnerable. He only had 54% of the vote last time and is all but transparent from the district these days. Here's a classic case of "Washington Rot" as this parasite has been in Washington for nearly 35 years and does little for this district. He doesn't bring pork home...had little seniority or respect in his own party and is strictly a vote that is sold to the highest bidder.

The revolt of the moderate Repugnicans...who, if they think Bunnypant won't carry Illinois and don't want to vote for Keyes, will stay home, and if there's enough of those non-votes, in addition to a strong get out the vote effort in this area, this seat is very, very takeable this year.

Cheers!
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:34 PM
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7. they sure do have an obsession

....with the very charismatic 39-year-old congressman with the famous father.

Just sayin'..........
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