Gotta Love Them Southern Boys

Carville and Begala go at it on The Huffington Post on a piece about 'The Blame Game'. 'Clinton's Brains' get the ball rolling for the Republican dissection and blaming to ascertain why they are/will/might/should lose the election, not only the Presidency, but the majority, and likely seats on the Supreme Court.

The Republican Party is atomizing, and each faction must participate in Project BLAME. The neocons may want to blame the theocons. The economic conservatives will likely blame the big spenders. The conflagration will be so multi-dimensional we'll need a program to sort out the players. They will need to answer fundamental questions: What does it mean to be a Republican? Do Republicans support laissez-faire or nationalized banking? Do Republicans support a balanced budget or half-trillion-dollar deficits? Do Republicans want a "humble foreign policy" like George W. Bush, or preventive war against countries that pose no threat, like, umm, George W. Bush? Are Republicans the party of limited government or a vast Medicare prescription drug benefit? Are they wary of Big Brother or eager to expand warrantless wiretaps? Do they support Christian values or torture? Are they the party that believes that cutting-edge technology can shoot a missile out of the sky or the party that believes humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously?

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To be very honest, I am not happy about this. I live in the great 'Red State' of Indiana. I have voted for Republican Senator Richard Lugar time and time again.

I understand how average Americans who are Conservatives and Republicans feel. The Republican Part has lost it's way and the Republican Party has left it's constituents by the wayside.

Democrats have experienced this in the past. I have empathy.

Democrats have waited a very long time for a leader like Barack Obama. Bill Clinton took us to the center and that was fine. Barack Obama brings us back to our roots.

Yes Carville and Begala are taking a shot, but they are also making a point that needs to be made. Democrats should also be mindful of participating in 'rubbing their noses in it' too much, too hard and for too long of a time. It's going to be hard not to do that, but I am going to try.

I do hope that the Republican party will remake itself into something representative of a 'Grand Old Party'. It's time for change, and that is one change that is sorely needed not only for Republicans, but for uniting Americans everywhere.

PD of Political Peon

First of all PD, welcome to DU and the Indiana forum.

The hypocrisy described in the second paragraph has been standard operating procedure for the GOP since at least the time of Nixon.

Their party has be devoid of ideas other than new and better ways to line the pockets of their contributors.

They have used deception and fear to gain power and broken nearly every promise they have made.

My hope is not only for a massive change in power with this election, but for a sustainable, progressive organization that will work to remove the liars and hypocrites who currently dominate the GOP from leadership positions forever.

Getting them out of office now is just a start.

I year ya, but in my own personal little world, nose rubbing takes up too much time and energy and also is bad for safe driving. Most of the folks I think of who are Republicans are my fellow school bus drivers. If I talk politics with them, which lately get most of them more riled up than I get, it is just not safe to drive. I won't be rubbing their noses in it.

And then there is my sort of brother-in-law. I could lose my residency if I rub too hard.

And then there is the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I know what they did unto me regarding the Clinton years. Yeah I'd like to rub hard. I'm not gonna. I am going to be the kind of person I want to be, not the kind of person they are or were. I still love my Republican friends though. I just think they need some maturity. Just sayin'.

Keeping politics out of the workplace is wise.

But as a passionate, outspoken liberal from a family of passionate, outspoken liberals, I've never had more than a few republican friends over the years. We argued respectfully through the Reagan and Clinton years and usually "agreed to disagree". That began to change when they lied, cheated and stole their way into the Whitehouse in 2000 and ended completely with the illegal invasion of Iraq.

I now see every republican voter as complicit in the crimes against this country and the crimes against humanity that have been perpetrated by the leadership of their party.

I may have lost a few friends because of this but I've also helped to convince a few "fiscal conservatives" that voting republican is not in their best interest.

I will neither forgive nor forget what these people have done.

I believe in forgiveness, but not forgetness. Forgiveness is something we do for ourselves. I have to forgive for my own mental health. Nobody has to know I forgave, but forgiveness will not mean that I am going to remain silent. I used shy away from the conflict. No more. Not this time. Not anytime. No more.

I am just the type of person who needs rational thinking in order to maintain a degree of maturity in the world, and I can only find my way to that state by forgiving, not the Republican leadership, but the many people I encounter daily who still don't realize what their party is and has done to this country.

I do what I you do. Separate when necessary from people, but keep chipping away at the thinking when I can.

We all have to do our part in whatever way we can. We chip away at the idiocy.

I also completely understand your point-of-view and respect it, as well as your anger, your passion, and your expression of it as well.

The GOP is a crime organization. No more and no less. They are like La Cosa Nostra and have been since the Credit Moblier scandal in 1875. They haven't had an original thought since then either. I am in continual amazement as to why, with all the Republican criminality that goes on, that people don't understand and reject the party FORTHWITH and FOREVER. Their entire raison d'etre is anti-human. They are thieves, oh, Dems steal too, but its like comparing shoplifting to grand theft auto. They are murderers who care nothing about any human life but their own, in the name of JAYSUS!!! They are anti-American in every possible sense. They are not some noble opposition to be vigorously debated in the world of ideas, they are vermin that need to be swept away like the scraps of last night's dinner. I hope I live long enough to see the word Republican shunned much as the "N" word is shunned. I despise their leaders and their oh-so-willfully stupid followers. I wish nothing but the hottest place in hell for every filthy fucking one of them.

Until then, however, I will continue to rub their crooked noses in shit. I'm mean that way.