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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-05 07:12 PM
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Grassley gets wacked by Kunstler about comments on oil
Chuck Grassley was the main character in James Howard Kunstler's weekly blog this week after he stubbornly announced "when I turn the light switch on, I want the lights to go on, and I don't want somebody to tell me I gotta change my way of living to satisfy them". Read this quote and then honestly say that you don't think we are in Iraq for oil.

Kunstler is an advocate for New Urbanism and a speaker on Peak Oil that writes about energy issues and the demise of Suburbia (check out his website at http://www.kunstler.com).

Here is the entire article about ole Chuck.
http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/2005/11/true_blue.html

True Blue by James Howard Kunstler

November 14, 2005
Years ago, President Nixon nominated a legal nonentity named G. Harold Carswell for a seat on the supreme court. Derided by the newspaper columnists as "mediocre," Carswell was defended by a conservative Nebraska senator, Roman Hruska, who said, memorably: "There are a lot of mediocre people in America who ought to be represented."
Now Hruska has been reincarnated in Senator Charles ("Chuck") Grassley of Iowa, who said the following a few days ago:

"You know what? What makes our economy grow is energy. And Americans are used to going to the gas tank (sic), and when they put that hose in their, uh, tank, and when I do it, I wanna get gas out of it. And when I turn the light switch on, I want the lights to go on, and I don't want somebody to tell me I gotta change my way of living to satisfy them. Because this is America, and this is something we've worked our way into, and the American people are entitled to it, and if we're going improve (sic) our standard of living, you have to consume more energy."


While I doubt that the President and his posse are too dim to comprehend the energy trap we're in, there certainly is plenty of plain stupidity in the rest of our elected leadership, of which Senator Grassley's remarks are Exhibit A. To be more precise, actually, Grassley's statement displays something closer to childishness than sheer stupidity. It comprises a set of beliefs or expectations that are unfortunately widespread in our culture, namely, that we should demand a particular outcome because we want it to be so. This is exactly how children below the age of reason think, in their wild egocentricity, and it is the hallmark of mental development to grow beyond that kind of thinking. But the force of advertising and other inducements to fantasy are so overwhelming in everyday American life that they may be obstructing the development of a huge chunk of the population, something that becomes worse each year, as proportionately more adults fail to grow up mentally. This state-of-mind is made visible in Las Vegas, our national monument to the creed that people should get whatever they want.

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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 11:09 AM
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1. Anybody But Grassley Campaign 2010
The Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee makes news talking about energy policy. Go figure. He can't even write a tax bill that gets the support of his own Republican colleagues. Senator Olympia Snow from Maine jammed his capital gains tax cut extension down his throat in the rescheduled Senate Finance Committee yesterday.

Let's see, Chuck supported the privatization of Social Security to solve the underfunding problem. Medicare "donut" to solve high prescription drug costs, and sponsored the new bankruptcy law to drive up the cost of going broke for middle and lower income Americans and supports torture by the Bush Administration. I can't find anybody in Iowa that supports these things.

It's time Iowans retire good old Uncle Chuck. He says one thing in his 99 county visits and does another in DC. He has been an elected official drawing a government paycheck since 1958!!!!!! He has been in the US Senate since 1980 and all we have to show for it is a lawn mowing commercial by one of the richest men in Iowa!!::banghead:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:36 PM
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2. I say Vilsack should take him on.
Rather than run for President in 2008, I'd like to see him in the Senate in 2010.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:40 PM
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3. Definitely
But unfortunately I think even if he would consider this he will still try to run for Pres in 08.

Who knows, maybe he would be able to catch on and we could have an Iowan President again...but I just really don't think so.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:06 PM
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4. I'm such a pessimist - I still think his running would hurt Iowa n/t
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:53 AM
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8. It'd be a dream come true, though...
Having both Harkin and Vilsack representing us in the Senate would be beyond awesome. Harkin's waited long enough to become Iowa's senior senator, and Vilsack will remain a well-known name well into 2010, familiar enough to run and win.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:39 AM
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10. Vilsack could won for Pres in 08 and then run for Senate in 2010
The way that I am picturing it is that Vilsack will run for President in 2008, barely win in Iowa, come in 3rd or 4th in New Hampshire and then drop out a month later after a respectable, but lackluster showing in other primaries. Vilsack's reputation would have gained a boost and then he would be in great position to run for Grassley's seat in 2010.

Another thing to ponder is that Grassley might not run for re-election. Chuck isn't that young anymore and in 4 more years he might decide not to run. My cousin was an intern for Grassley 2 summers ago and she said that she thought Grassley would not run again.
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 11:12 AM
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11. Oh that would be nice...
Maybe he is finally seeing himself as the tool that he is and will decide that he has had enough associating himself with the fools that currently run the country.

I can't tell if his "centrist" type comments as of late have been him trying to save his ass or true changes-of-heart...either way he has two options in my mind...retire with a modicum of respect or continue being a shill for the loons.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:54 PM
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12. I meant for President, I'd like Vilsack as a Senator! n/t
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:34 PM
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6. Welcome to DU Broke Dad
Hope you enjoy it here.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 10:03 PM
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5. If Iowa is such a highly educated state why do we keep electing
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 10:04 PM by rurallib
this dummy. And I do mean dummy. I am simply embarrassed when I hear Chuckles introduced as 'Senator from Iowa'. Sadly he's even considered to be a moderate regressive. What bullshit.
Well, Chuckles, when we elect a senator we expect him or her to be able to think - not just be a puppet for an administration. The senator should know the constitution well enough to realize congress is not a rubber stamp.
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 03:51 AM
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7. Maybe it's because it's late...
...but I fail to see the problem in what Grassley said there. I don't want to change the way I live my life due simply to energy. That's why I strongly support solar panels, wind generators, and progress in alternate-fuel vehicles. I'm assuming that ol' Chuck doesn't support any of this, and that's the problem? Correct me if I'm wrong -- it is 2:45 in the morning as I type this, and I really should be in bed right now. In terms of expecting the light to turn on or gas to come out of the pump upon demand, well, we know no different than to expect that for it's been the case our entire lives, so in that sense I understand what Grassley's saying. However, there is a point in which we have to consider other fuels, for coal and oil are finite. I really hope ol' Chuck understands that, though I fear he doesn't (and I fear even more that I totally misunderstood the premise of this all in my tired state and reduce myself to Grassley's level, lol).
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 07:32 AM
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9. I believe Renewable sources of energy, but many Republicans don't
and Chuck isn't one of them. They believe that our only option is to go to war in the Middle East to secure the oil. I wonder how many solar panels and wind turbines $200+ billion would have bought.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:56 PM
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13. Yep
:applause:

And how many would have died for them?!
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 11:55 PM
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14. Damn good points...
However, that wouldn't allow the oil executives to line their pockets, and really, isn't that what the federal government is all about?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 12:41 PM
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15. oil execs, defense contractors, credit corporations and insurance industry
They built today's American Values :sarcasm:
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:39 PM
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16. Problem is he voted against energy assistance
which would benefit many poor Iowans... and it wasn't a party line vote either, a few midwestern and east coast republican senators voted for it like Coleman....


He expects energy to work, but if people can't pay for it, too bad... go freeze to death so Grassley can continue to be the cheapest bastard in the senate.
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