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herbbrown Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:05 PM
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Police beating up 11 and 12 year olds in Detroit
Sounds like the Detroit schools and police got their best thugs together to quell Democracy once again. Sounds like the kids were pepper sprayed and maced for and I quote the article here,"when the kids got out of control for banging on doors and windows". This is what you do to a child when they are using their civil rights to protest? This article is so slanted it's sad, it actully blames anyone but the thugs who beat the kids. Who stole my country,WTF?
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pb cs.dll/article?AID=/20070503/S CHOOLS/705030409/1003/METRO
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herbbrown Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:06 PM
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1. hope this link works
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:12 PM
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2. Bad, but not the worst
In Florida they laser and take down 5 year olds.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:30 PM
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3. America the bully state
Edited on Thu May-03-07 03:47 PM by undergroundpanther
Keep your thugs off me,
For the bully right
is taking away human rights
From sea to poisoned sea.

America,The bully state,
The corpration rules over thee
Our streets are red with our bloodshed,
for brotherhood of corporate person hood
destroy our democracy..

America the Bully state
Evil blesses thee
And it crowns it's bad as evil would in this kakistocracy...
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DawnIsis Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:36 PM
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4. Wow they "banged" on stuff? Clearly force was nessary lest they break something
:sarcasm:
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:38 PM
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5. First of all...
Edited on Thu May-03-07 03:43 PM by TWriterD
--"Some Detroit Public Schools parents expressed outrage Wednesday, saying their children were pepper-sprayed by police after a civil rights group took them to a protest at several schools without their permission." and "She said she signed a permission slip to allow the eighth-grader to attend a demonstration against the planned school closings, but the march was supposed to be at the Coleman A. Young Municipal Center--not Northern High or other schools."

--and since when does "using their civil rights" include banging on doors and windows? Did the civil rights groups think the police would idly stand by and let a bunch of fired-up 12-year olds bang on doors and possibly break windows (don't flame me--I'm not condoning the pepper spraying)? I'm no Gandhi as far as non-violence, but I wouldn't drag my 10-year old niece into it. All common sense seems to be gone in this country.

--Your post is inflammatory--where does it state that the kids were beaten? (Again, don't flame--I DO NOT condone the police actions.)

This story is a mess all the way around--those kids were used as pawns. With the limited info presented in the article, it sounds as if the parents have every right to be furious with the overzealous pepper-spraying Detroit Public School officers AND the groups who put their kids in that situation.
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herbbrown Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:49 PM
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6. Here's an interveiw with one of the students
From yesterdays Democracy Now:

AMY GOODMAN: And joining me from Detroit is Jevon Cochran, a junior at Lewis Cass Technical High School in Detroit, an organizer with the Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, Integration, and Immigrant Rights, & Fight for Equality By Any Means Necessary, known as BAMN.

Jevon, talk about what happened in Detroit yesterday.

JEVON COCHRAN: Well, yesterday in Detroit there were student walkouts from several schools against the school closings. You know, students also walked out against the ban on affirmative action, against like the restrictive dress codes in DPS that students get suspended over every day, and also in support of and in solidarity with the movement for immigrant rights.

And, you know, at the schools -- at one of the schools, Northern High School, you know, students marched down to the schools who had walked out from several high schools, and we were having like a really peaceful protest. You know, Northern High School in Detroit is one of the schools that's slated to close, and once we got there, you know, the students really wanted -- the students that had walked out from the other schools wanted the Northern students to come out and, you know, fight to keep their school open, to keep -- you know, because if Northern stays open, that's just -- you know, Northern is the key school that we need to keep open, a fight for the rest of the schools in Detroit. And the students went there, and they started chanting, you know, "Keep Northern open! Walk out now!" It was a really peaceful protest.

But what happened was the security guards and the administration at the school basically just terrorized the students and told them that they were powerless and that they couldn't fight to keep their school open, that they couldn't fight for their city. They blocked all the doors, and they tried to chain the students in, and they called the cops. And, you know, the cops like started just attacking the students, the students who had come from the other schools, like Cass, the high school that I go to. And there were -- like, we were just standing around, peacefully protesting, you know, trying to support the Northern students. And, you know, cops, just out of nowhere, totally unprovoked, started macing like elementary and middle school students. They grabbed one of the students who had led like walkouts at Northern High School almost two weeks ago, and they like beat him. They beat him. They maced him. They slammed him onto a police car. They arrested him. They arrested students from Osborn High School, which is a high school that over 200 students walked out from yesterday. They grabbed him by his hair. And it was just, you know, several incidents happening, you know, like this yesterday, where the police just attacked students and tried to terrorize the students who were fighting for their right to a decent education in our city.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/02/1427210
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DawnIsis Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:59 PM
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8. "Possibly break windows" there is no evidence the kids did anything
other than make noise. The teachers chained doors, perhaps THAT led to the banging?

The kids were not "pawns" they were standing up for what they believed in. What "groups" are you alleging put them up to it?

I don't think a right-minded parent who already "permitted" their high schooler to protest would be upset if they also protested at another nearby school to show solidarity with those students.

Comparing your 10 year old niece to high schoolers is a stretch.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 04:18 PM
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10. Are we reading the same article?
Edited on Thu May-03-07 04:28 PM by TWriterD
Comparing age 10 to 11 is a stretch? 11 and 12 is what - 6th, 7th, 8th grade? I would think that any right-minded parent would want to know WTF their kids were during the school day.
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DawnIsis Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 04:40 PM
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12. Another Article
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070503/NEWS01/705030466

In this article it states these were high school students "some as young as 11"

It wasn't a protest of 11-12 year olds.

Even a high school math teacher was arrested.

If a parent didn't want their child to attend that would be up to them, but none of this excuses the police behavior and judging by the lawsuit the parents agree only the police are to blame.

You can't beat and pepper spray people unless laws have been broken and banging isn't a crime.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 03:52 PM
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7. I don't get that out of the article, and as usual, BAMN is not exactly clean on this
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herbbrown Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 04:14 PM
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9. Read the interview with the
student. What do you get out of his account?
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 04:23 PM
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11. Self-delete (n/t).
Edited on Thu May-03-07 04:23 PM by TWriterD
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