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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:45 PM
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"proposition 1"? opposite ads on AAR...
One ad counsels vote "no".. warns of more insider influence

One ad counsels vote "yes".. cites League of Women Voters support

Anyone here read this thing yet?
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:09 PM
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1. The AAR station here in Colorado
ran many ads against Referenda C and D. It's not about endorsement, but advertising dough.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:10 PM
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2. I suspected as much...just looking for some
specific info on the pros & cons on this thing on the NY ballot.
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:28 PM
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3. my voter guide has arrived and I have read it, but i'm still not sure
how i'll vote

you can get the text at:

http://www.nyccfb.info/debates_vg/voter_guides/general_2005/ballot_nys01.aspx

i'm interested in all four questions on the NYC ballot.
No one I talk to knows anything about them---which is wierd.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:52 PM
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4. thanks for the link..
Common Cause and I usually see eye to eye., but I wish I knew more...
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 10:31 AM
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5. I am voting FOR the 2 state proposals and may not vote at all on the
2 city proposals as I don't get them.
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egadsbrain Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:17 AM
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6. Gotham Gazette is a good source
I'm confused too and usually go here to get informed. They have a forum too, but I haven't checked it out.

http://www.gothamgazette.org
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:33 PM
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7. In general
using the binding of the State Constitution to duck responsibility or get around the system we are usually faced with unintelligible legalize- usually about money in suspicious ways. The governor stopped getting burned on backing these fiascoes a while ago, especially since he is running for president.

Because it is controversial it is almost certainly to be defeated, with liberals divided and Common Cause giving it the kiss of death among doubtful Conservatives. I am sure, like most compromise reforms, that there are good points, especially in dethroning the Triumvirate who ineffectively rule the entire budget process. But compromises and partial cures are exactly what the people don't trust in Albany- which by now has been so corrupted by the odd process than another one would quickly fail in all likelihood as well.

I will study up on it though because any reform is tempting. Only, because it is not a shoe in for anyone, it is extremely to the nth degree unlikely to pass by historical comparisons to more widely supported end runs on the state government actually owning up to its responsibilities.

So their hands are tied by the Constitution. Whose trustworthy, reforming hands do we want to untie?
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