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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:47 PM
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Voting Machines Count Backwards in Okla.

http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=344
Voting Machines Count Backwards in Okla.
by Bob Nichols Saturday, Nov 27 2004, 3:13am
bobnichols@cox.net

57 Rural Counties Affected - Vote Fraud Suspected

Rural Oklahoma Voting machines know how to count backwards.
(Oklahoma City) November 18, 2004 - Rural Oklahoma Voting machines know how to count backwards.

That looks like what the secretly programmed machines did for Sen. Kerry in President Bush's easily won Presidential Election victory in Oklahoma.

All 77 counties use the Optech Eagle voting machines and Tabulator's made by ES&S, Sen Hagel's republican company.

The respectable, conservative "Tulsa World" newspaper reported Nov 3rd that Kerry was winning in 57 of the states's rural counties., with 70% of the vote counted. Turns out that the famous November 3rd report was probably not supposed to be printed.

It represented the counting when the tabulating was about 70% "complete," as they used to say in the old Soviet Unon.

The "official" State of Oklahoma Election Board vote totals released later show Kerry not winning; but, losing in all the state's 77 counties, including the 57 rural counties. Yea, somebody really messed up, big time, and published a partially completed and, I guess you would haver to call it, "fixed" vote.

A simple comparison of total votes for Kerry between the staid establishment mouthpiece, the "Tulsa World" newspaper and the so-called "official" final vote totals at the State Election Board show fewer votes for Kerry in 57 counties than the "Tulsa World" does.

Fifty-seven of the 57 counties clearly demonstrate that Sen Kerry lost 37,982 votes to the ES&S Optech Machines. During the same time period President Bush gained a whooping 393,825 votes.

Nice, slick, easy way to win an election. As a man once said "He stole it fair and square!"

In other words, Kerry lost votes already cast by voters. The voting machines counted backwards. What could be simpler than that?

Who programs these things, eh? Why, ES&S Corp., of course.

It turns out the every vote in the state, all 1.4 Million of them cast, were counted on the same type of flawed machine, programmed originally by the Hagel's ES&S company.

Whether they knew the difference or not is not known; but, spokesmen for the State Election Board would only say the Machines and Tabulators were fron Optech. They breathed not a word anout ES&S.

Who really won? Well, nobody really knows! Most people in Oklahoma still think President Bush won his Presidential election. Wrong! Time for a re-count, this time by hand!

Not that Oklahoma's very few Electoral Votes make much difference in the grand scheme of things. Except, of course, fraud is suspected in Ohio, too. A recount is already guaranteed in Ohio. What will Oklahoma officials do?

"Film at 11." Fat chance!

People in the Great Flyover State of Oklahoma all know that the Professional Hairdo Anchors in the Oklahoma TV stations and the Radio Celebrities will not touch this with a 30 Foot Pole since their right wing owners keep them on a real short leash.

But, the money is good and the living is easy in Oklahoma, where "The Oklahoma Observer" says 20% of the people can't even read. This makes TV and radio even more important.

If these small state celebrities are reading this, and you know they are, then these parasites know the truth. I dare you, Kelley! Go for it! Get a life, dude! (Kelly Ogle is a local TV personality in Oklahoma City who specializes in "happy talk" transitions.)

Watch for more election 2004 reports here as I get to them. Please circulate and distribute IMC this report widely. You know that none of us can depend on the so-called dominant press to do so in the great state of Oklahoma or the USA anymore.

Meantime, I reminded of the Salsa ad for some company. When informed that somebody had bought Salsa from a company in New York City, an ole boy hollers off screen "Get a rope!"

By the way, what are YOU going to do about this situation?

Copyright 2004, Bob Nichols. All rights reserved. Permission for reposting is allowed provided the complete text and attribution are kept intact. Bob Nichols is a Project Censored Award winner. He lives and works as a writer, political commentator and community organizer in Oklahoma City. Nichols encourages your comments at bobnichols@cox.net

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:53 PM
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1. I Personally Observed The ES&S iVotronic Machines In Dallas, TX
Make errors.

In each case, someone that voted straight Dem ended up unexpectedly with Republicans on their summary page.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:53 PM
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2. so do the people in Oklahoma
any state that has a bill up before their law makers which encourage workers to bring weapons in their vehicles to work deserves everything the get

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:58 PM
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10. Yeah, that makes sense ...
:eyes:

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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:56 PM
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3. Is this enough of a smoking gun? What will it take? E- mailed this
around to anyone I know with any brains whatsoever. But lately my list of those acquaintences is becoming smaller and smaller and smaller.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:00 PM
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4. Thanks for posting. I've emailed the article to my family & friends in OK.
America looks more and more like the former Soviet Union. Rigged elections and Government control of the press.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:15 PM
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5. if true this is absolutely mind boggling
are any of our intrepid investigators onto this.
boggle,boggle,boggle,....i can hope can't i?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:39 PM
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6. Does anyone have the print edition of the 11/3 Tulsa World?
Without it this story has no support.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 03:35 PM
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7. links provided at the Ok. Indy Media Center--
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joni in ok Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:18 PM
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15. I have 30 hard Copies and posted today's 12/02/04 retraction
I am not done.
I did an interview yesterday for Norman Public Radio that will air today and they're doing a part II tomorrow.
I called the reporter this morning and told him that TW response is unacceptable...tho i was SHOCKED that they would admitt to using the Cockfighting numbers from 2 years ago!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:44 PM
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8. What can we do?!
What do we do now?! I am in Washington County. If there is something I can do, let me know!
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joni in ok Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:19 PM
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16. Have people holler to the TW, How did this happen?
Where are the Real numbers?
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:56 PM
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9. Two Days ...
Two days after the election, I told several people something *in Oklahoma* smelled very bad. I was told I was an idiot, by Democrats and people who were at the same time shouting "fraud" in relation to Ohio, that Oklahoma was obviously a heavily Republican state, that the only thing that should surprise me is if Shrub won by less than 60%. Coburn's victory was not strange either. Okies are idiots. 'Nuf said.

A week or so prior to the election, Carson, the Democratic Senate candidate, was polling outside the margin of error ahead of Coburn. The election results were reversed. Democratic grassroots organizations were highly pleased with the response to their efforts, and internal polls showed that while Shrub would win the state, it would be by a much closer margin than any Republican since Regan in '84. A Democratic legislative candidate from Tulsa was surging and within striking distance as of the last poll, yet the final results showed his numbers no better than they were when he was an unknown candidate at the beginning of the year. People "in the know" were optimistic going into Nov. 2nd, which if you know OK politics, is highly unusual. By the end of the evening on Nov. 2nd, everyone, including a lot of Republicans who had expected to lose, were very confused.

The precinct in which I voted has a large majority of minorities. It went 3:1 for Shrub and about the same ratio for Coburn. I voted at 7:15am. The polls opened at 7:00am. There were maybe two dozen people there when I drove up, a few minutes after the doors opened. I was voter #227. I asked about this, was give no satisfactory answer, reported the incident to my election board and that voter hotline thing. Nothing was ever done as far as I know. I doubt anyone even wrote down my information.

The night of the election with 99% precincts reporting in one rural eastern OK county, Kerry won handily. Two days later, it was in Shrub's column, again by almost 3:1. I heard of the Tulsa World story but have not seen it. This doesn't surprise me, however. One could see it happening *as it happened.* But everyone was too busy looking at Ohio and Florida to notice.

Oklahoma you say? We don't care about Oklahoma. It's a red state. That's the attitude I got, and continue to get, btw.

And now others seem to be taking notice, almost a month later, after the trail is cold, after all those who were fired up in the moment and trying to do something had been told by their friends and allies to sit down and shut up because we live in a red state and just need to learn to deal with it.

Know this well: The best way to hide something is in plain sight. It is becoming clear to me that the fraud occurred in a very few so-called constested districts, just enough to make it within legal striking distance should the EC count go the wrong way, and on a massive scale in "safe" states, enough move the popular vote and to allow Shrub to claim his "mandate." Note Madsen's recent article on the subject in which he points to California and Texas.

What do we do now? I don't know. As I said, too many of us were told we were crazy and to shut up about it.

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:43 AM
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11. Slings and arrows
I am glad you stood your ground! Even though I didn't post that I thought something was up, I researched voter numbers and such here...without much luck. I thought it would be much closer than it was and now it seems, we were correct! I never said you were crazy, but I do apologize that you had to endure that. In all honesty, I think ALL the states need to be under the microscope! Best wishes and keep being "crazy!" :)
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gaia_gardener Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:41 PM
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12. Well, I knew something wasn't right when
Latimer Co went for bush. Latimer county is strictly Yellow dog. Then I started hearing comments made to people in church and thought, "well maybe the gop did convince enough people that voting for Kerry was voting against God".

Hmmm....
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joni in ok Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:15 PM
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14. Tulsa World prints retraction...here's the latest
Here's the follow up on Tulsa World:
The TW today A-2
Good news and Bad news
Good: They admitted they were the Cockfighting numbers.
Bad: It Falls Way short of accountability and adressing the initial AP
numbers...where are they?
Here's a transcription with a chart from the OSEB by county below, which
anyone can get from the election board.
Under "Corrections, Clarifications *Which by the way they did neither, they
should've had a special category for this listed "Reluctant admissions with
a bone"
>The Tulsa World on Nov.3 Incorrectly published unofficial Oklahoma election
>returns by county in the race between George Bush and John Kerry for U.S.
>president. The Tulsa World mistakenly placed 2002 countywide returns from
>the vote on State Question 687 on cockfighting into a form to be used for
>county-by-county election returns in the 2004 presidential race. The
>Oklahoma election returns by county in the race for U.S. president from the
>Oklahoma State Election Board are printed below.
PRESIDENT: BY COUNTY
(then the list. Not the AP list, but the final numbers by the election
board, aka Point C) Still no point B.Where's the B(eef)?
joni
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 11:33 PM
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13. Same thing in Guilford County, NC & Broward County, FL (ES&S)
11/10/2004 Machine malfunction NC In Guilford County, ES&S early voting machines had capacity problems, which affected anywhere from 6,000 to 20,000 ballots. Story Archive

The totals were so large, the tabulation computer threw some numbers away. Retallying changed two outcomes and gave an additional 22000 votes to Kerry. Story Archive

ES&S explained that the Unity 2.2 tally software reached 32,767 (32K) and began subtracting from the totals (same as in Broward County). ES&S had known about the problem but not told its customers. Letter from ES&S (603K)
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joni in ok Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:21 PM
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17. Did you post these at the NC and FL forums?
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:19 PM
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18. I had a conversation with my county's election board
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 09:19 PM by Z_I_Peevey
secretary today...asked her if a citizen could have access to ballots. She said NO.

Ballots are kept under seal for 24 months following an election, she said, and may not be inspected by anyone, including her and her staff, during that time.

Ballots may be inspected only after a candidate files for a recount. Only candidates, not citizens, may file for recounts. (Karl Schneider, I believe, asked for this information shortly after Fiasco 2004.) Cost is $600, but I didn't have time to ask her if that fee covered an entire county or was a per-precinct cost. She was in a rush to get away from me, it seemed.

Anyway, I asked her how she could be confident the machines counted correctly, and she insisted that she herself did the programming and that mistakes were impossible. (I thought the voting machine companies did not allow local officials to 'program' anything, what with their proprietary codes and all.)

FYI, she's a Democrat.
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