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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:18 AM
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A Reeling City(Columbia, SC) Is a Snapshot of Economic Woes
Source: NY Times

Even before the job fair opens, the line snakes into the parking lot of the state fairground, a muted parade of lives derailed by layoffs.

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As the American economy sinks deeper into one of the more punishing recessions since the Depression, frustration and fear color the national conversation.

This city in the center of South Carolina is an ideal listening post. According to a range of indicators assembled by Moody’s Economy.com — from job growth to change in household worth — this metropolitan area came closer than any other to being a microcosm of the nation over the last decade.

This is now an unfortunate distinction. Some 533,000 jobs disappeared from the economy in November, the worst month since 1974. In South Carolina, a government panel is predicting that the state’s unemployment rate could reach 14 percent by the middle of next year.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/22/business/economy/22columbia.html?_r=1&hp
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:49 AM
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1. Easy to fix
Tax cuts, fly the confederate flag, pray to Jee-zus, that ought to do it.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:54 AM
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2. vote repiglican and this is what you get
hope you South Carolinians are happy.
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 05:36 AM
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3. S.C. is Jesus country and GOP country. Let their GOP-Jesus give them a paycheck now. n/t
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 06:32 AM
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4. You know, I wish people wouldn't even post news about my state on DU.
Thank you, Rambo, for trying to keep people informed about the dreadful and terrifying situation we are facing down here. Not only 4th in unemployment, but we have a Repub governor who is running out of unemp funds and refuses any federal financial help. No idea how he plans to pay for anything, but you can bet it will be on the backs of the ones who are already suffering here the most.

But then, sure as shit, if the words "South Carolina" appear on DU, no matter what is said about my state or people, here come the DUers whose main mission in life is to put the south back in its place. Never mind the millions of us black and white southerners who have protested against the flying of "the flag"; who always work for and vote for and sometimes even elect Democrats; who are not all that much outnumbered by a dozen non-southern states I could name who went blue by a hair.

And yes, there are still many people here who vote the damned Repubs in. And there are still a lot of racists. But nearly half the state voted for Obama and the Dems. Still we get lumped right in with your wholesale condemnation of a state, a region, a people?

What the fuck is the matter with all the damn bigots coming out on this thread, or any thread that mentions South Carolina. Unemployment in South Carolina hits African-Americans first and hardest. Why do you hate southern African-Americans? My family voted a straight Dem ticket. Every one of them. The job situation here has hit my family VERY hard. Why do you hate my family? You fucking assholes have me in tears, and I haven't even had my first cup of coffee this morning.

Why the hell don't you stop and think before you write such condemnations against a whole group of people.

Why do you never stop with this shit whenever the south is mentioned?

Did you idiots ever stop to think that the whole world sees the United States the way you see South Carolina???? What does that make you?

Wat

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 06:45 AM
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5. I know whereof you speak. As an Ohioan, I too was a victim of blanket state condemnation.
After 2004, until this year when we apparently made up for our sins, any time there was a post about things being bad in Ohio, it was implied that it was only our just punishment for voting against our own interests and putting Bush back in the White House.

I didn't PUT Bush back in the White House, I wanted to tell those idiots. A lot of us didn't. OUR ELECTION GOT STOLEN. Ah, but no, so much simpler to condemn us all as a bunch of gun-totin', mouth-breathin', gay-hatin' Jaysus freaks, unlike your sophisticated selves, and imply that we deserve whatever pain we get.

Wat, dry your tears and know that you're understood, that you do not suffer alone. There are, sadly, assholes on DU, just as there are everyplace else. Especially, a lot of assholes who believe that the world is basically just, and who ascribe everything bad that happens to everyone else to "karma." Only when it hits them, it is somehow not "karma," but a tragic event happening to an undeserving soul. Funny how that works.

Be proud, Wat. You know who you are and that you have nothing to be ashamed of. Stephen Colbert is from your fine state!

I hope things get better for all of you down there. Right now, they're bad all over, and people have no damn business implying that anyone deserves it because of their supposed politics.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:21 AM
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6. Between you and the coffee, Berry,
Edited on Mon Dec-22-08 07:30 AM by watrwefitinfor
I'm feeling a little better now. Never used one of these before, but -->> :hug:

I was so happy to see Ohio go Dem this year. North Carolina was an even bigger event for me. Some day enough of SC will wake up to make the difference here.

But you still have to wonder about people on DU who would wish such terrible things as unemployment, hunger, cold, and fear upon other humans, no matter who they were dumb enough to vote for.

South Carolina is still not recovered, and may never, from the aftereffects of slavery, the Civil War, the overthrow of Reconstruction, and Jim Crow. The same planter class that was in power before that war came back and grew stronger than ever afterward. Their heirs are still in control. They maintained (and maintain) the deep divisions among the people in new ways. They keep deep divisions among poor blacks and whites, culturally, politically, and most of all, economically. It's no accident that SC schools are among the worst in the whole country.

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of history would be aware of all this. Makes you wonder about the people who write such ignorant shit as some of the above posts in this thread. Apparently none of these enlightened DUers have ever heard of, let alone read, any real history of the south. Dubois, for instance. Seems to me they're more adept at supporting the interests of that southern ruling class than any democratic or progressive interests.

No, Berry, I'm not ashamed. I'm royally pissed off. Thanks so much for the pep talk, though. :-)

Wat

(Edited out the double negative. Imagine, an ignorant southerner being able to figure that out...)
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 01:24 PM
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13. Anyone know Sanford's family history?
He always seems the epitome of good ole boy politics to me, but then, I've only been here a few years. I'm guessing he's well-connected, since I can't think of any other explanation for how this empty suit managed to attain the highest office in the state.
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:25 AM
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7. SC is the target of a lot of hate
as is the entire South. No, it doesn't matter one shit if you're a lifelong, loyal Dem, of color or progressive. It only matter to a certain group of very tiny minded posters that we're from the South. Just that we live here immediately means we're Confederate flag flying KKK members.

I only wonder why so many people from other parts of the nation retire here since it's so damn bad. Wait, they must all be Confederate flag flying KKK members, too.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 07:34 AM
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8. I'm originally from the south
and I stand by my comment - and would say the same about my home state because, fact is, they were instrumental in keeping Bush in power - because their senators are right to work states, and, oh, those retirees?

they're there because it's so cheap - and it's so cheap because worker's wages are kept low by anti-union tactics, etc. fwiw, I would never live in the south again if there's ANY way I could avoid it. The south is a mental cesspool because of fundies.

south carolina, of course, holds a special place in the history of the confederacy, so there's no lover lost there either.

I have no doubt that the debs and the southern belle-wanna bes have plenty of money right now. Take this issue up with them.

Take the issue up with the people who represent you. You might want to use Richard Florida's work to argue that it's better not to be perceived as a backward neo-confederate state - but hard, I know, since South Carolina is the freeper and dominionist eden of choice for a new secession...

we all live with our history, esp. when we make money off of it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:16 AM
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:20 PM
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11. Oh big deal. Try living in Texas. we are the hate stick for all things moron* does. nt
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-09 10:33 AM
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15. Well said! That really p's me off too. I guess everyone has to have

someone to feel superior to, and that's why some people do that.



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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:30 AM
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10. DuBois
Here is what the socialist scholar, W. E. B. DuBois, had to say about the situation. Amazing how he saw so much of the problem, and how little the problem has changed since 1953.


"Negroes and the Crisis of Capitalism in the United States" by W.E.B. Du Bois, published in the April 1953 issue of Monthly Review

http://www.monthlyreview.org/0403dubois.htm

How “free” was the black freedman in 1863? He had no clothes, no home, tools, or land. Thaddeus Stevens begged the government to give him a bit of the land which his blood had fertilized for 244 years. The nation refused. Frederick Douglass and Charles Sumner asked for the Negro the right to vote. The nation yielded because only Negro votes could force the white South to conform to the demands of Big Business in tariff legislation and debt control. This accomplished, the nation took away the Negro’s vote, and the vote of most poor whites went with it.

This newest South, turning back to its slave past, believes its present and future prosperity can best be built on the poverty and ignorance of its disfranchised lowest masses—and these low-paid workers now include not only Negroes, but Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, and the unskilled, unorganized whites. Progress by means of this poverty is the creed of the present South.

The Northern white worker long went his way oblivious to what was happening in the South. He awoke when the black Southern laborer fled North after World War I, and he welcomed him by riots. Slowly, however, the black man has been integrated into the unions, except those in whose crafts he was not skilled and had no chance to learn. One of these was the textile unions. They excluded Negroes. It is taking a long time to prove to them that their attitude toward Negroes was dangerous. If Negro wages were low in the South, what business was that of New England white labor? Today the union man sees that it was his business. The factories are moving out of New England and the North into the South. One hundred thousand textile workers are idle. This illustrates a paradox of capitalism: in the South, the nation, and the world, the workers are too poor to buy the textiles they need; while machinery is able to make more textiles than its owners can sell at the prices they demand.
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The organized effort of American industry to usurp government, surpasses anything in modern history, even that of Adolf Hitler from whom it was learned. From the use of psychology to spread truth has come the use of organized gathering of news to guide public opinion and then deliberately to mislead it by scientific advertising and propaganda. This has led in our day to suppression of truth, omission of facts, misinterpretation of news, and deliberate falsehood on a wide scale. Mass capitalistic control of books and periodicals, news gathering and distribution, radio, cinema, and television has made the throttling of democracy possible and the distortion of education and failure of justice widespread. It can only be countered by public knowledge of what this government by propaganda is accomplishing and how.
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The efforts have only increased and intensified and been successful to the point where perhaps even DuBois wouldn't recognize the country now.

It has been my understanding, since I found this forum some years ago, that one of the main purposes of DU is to help counter the failures that Dubois spoke of back in 1953. Many of us in the south, black and white, have been working at that for decades. Many of us have suffered dreadfully, even died in those efforts. How is it that our efforts can be denigrated and tossed aside so blithely by other DUers?

I will not get into a personal hollering match with any specific DUers. However I URGE those who are being so divisive to look into a little real history of the south, of the peoples' struggle in the south, and how it relates to the rest of the country, and to the progressive movement as a whole.

Wat





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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-08 05:49 PM
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12. Thanks for your oh so kind words.....
I love it when the DUers from the South get shat upon and written off.
We work like hell down here, and then it's more mud.

People down here have grown up with Rethug memes about guns, gays, and God
to name a few. That's all they have heard. What do you expect them to believe,
especially when people they meet that aren't Southern treat them with the
utmost disrespect.

Obama was smart in that he had people living in a lot of areas for a long time.
They became part of the community and that helped counteract a lot of shit that
was shoveled.



Every blue county shifted toward the Dems. They may not have been Dem yet, but
they shifted that way. A lot of progress was made even in the South.

The South is growing in population along with the West. The Dems can start to
work harder down here or cede a huge bloc of votes to the Rethugs. If there is
enough shift, the number of reps will be reapportioned. That shifts electoral
votes. Help or shut up!
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 02:49 PM
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14. Sad thing is, this article will only help Sanford's reputation with the national party
DC Republicans will read it and think "State budget cuts, refusing federal funds, desperate workers sacrificed on the altar of libertarian ideology, what's not to love?"
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