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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:57 AM
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I think the media will flip out when they see the results of the TX caucuses.
They've already called the state for Hillary, which I think is a mistake.

But none of them have any idea what we have ALL been through tonight with the caucuses.

This is the most amazing moment in TX political history! The virtual avalanche happened EVERYWHERE.

I can't wait until these caucus results start pouring in.

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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:41 AM
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1. I was wondering this...how do the caucases play in this?
I asked in the primary forum but it got lost.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:51 AM
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2. This is the first in the 3 part process and the final results will not
be in until the Tx. state convention in June. The media and many others DO NOT begin to understand this.
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:14 PM
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3. neither does anyone else who isn't
a part of the caucus process, which tells me there is something very wrong about caucuses, super delegates and all else that is not one person, one vote. This is the most disappointing primary season for all of us in that it has revealed inconsistencies, confusion and distrust. The entire Democratic Primary season needs to be revamped. We have 2 major states, Fla and Mich, that have been excluded in addition to all the other tripe that has gone down. It seems evident to me that caucuses exclude all but the caucusees.
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Danzo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:47 PM
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4. Be That As It May...
...isn't it still true that the caucus results only make up one-third of the delegate count for Texas? Isn't it also true that according to CNN, almost 40% of the caucus vote counted, Hillary only trails by 4%?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:04 PM
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5. True on your first count
I'm not even paying attention to the results coming out of the precincts because they can only be interpreted in very broad terms. We'll have a clearer picture sometime on March 29 when all the delegates elected on March 4 once again get to stand in line for a hour or two at their county conventions and elect the delegations that go to state. And the real results won't be known until June 6, when we see how all of THOSE delegates sign in at the state convention.

I'm not implying that nothing can be inferred from last night's results, only that extrapolating those numbers to nation delegates does have some margin of error.
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Danzo Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:16 PM
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10. Ah, I See.
Is it fair to say that final delegate count and the winner of Texas is in doubt, but the it will almost certainly be a pretty close score between Hillary and Obama in Texas?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:00 PM
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11. I think that would be accurate
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:43 PM
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6. Obama did well in the caucuses
Senator obama may net more delegates from Texas than Senator Clinton.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:45 PM
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12. Latest AAS article has him up by 3 in Texas
AAS article 3/5/08
Obama could top Clinton by 3

With all the back-and-forth over the delegates gained by Obama and Clinton in yesterday’s Texas primary, this word is just in from state Democratic officials.

Obama could pick up a net gain of three delegates, after all the dust settles.

Here’s how Dem officials say that’s possible:

Clinton won the popular vote, and could pick up as many as four delegates from that.

Obama appears to be winning the caucus voting on delegates, and could pick up as many as seven delegates there.


:kick:

Sonia
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:44 PM
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7. The data I'm seeing suggests the caucuses will make Texas a tie
As of now, CNN is reporting 37% of precincts reporting and a 52/48% split favoring Obama. If that split holds true until the end of the tallying, then Obama should get 35 more delegates and Clinton will get 32. Since Clinton is 4 delegates ahead from the primary, she'll end up only one delegate ahead in the end.

Of course, if we have yet to hear from many Obama-heavy precincts, Obama might get more than 35 and come out a delegate or two ahead of Clinton. All in all, much ado about nothing. I expected Obama to do better in the caucuses than the returns are showing, but this is a pretty hollow victory for Clinton, considering the lead she had just weeks ago.

So, I guess the Donkey has seen its shadow and we'll have several weeks more of primary hell. Is this good or bad? Will we regret the ultimate choice? I'm sick of speculating, frankly.

You can see the latest CNN data here: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:58 PM
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8. "pouring in" might not be the right phrase.
Creeping in like mold might be better.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 06:33 PM
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9. Yeah! Where are the caucus results???
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:24 AM
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14. LOL! -eom
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:58 AM
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13. Didn't you get the memo? Caucuses don't count.
:eyes:

The DUers in the Hillary camp are working overtime to keep the positive spin going... she barely squeaked by when she needed blow-outs in order to make up her delegate deficit, but you'd think it was a unanimous vote if you took GD: P as proof.
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ooga booga Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:19 AM
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15. Fort Worth Star-Telegram story on Obama maybe winning caucuses
Apparently, Barak Obama might be up 5 delegates more than Hillary Clinton once the dust settles.

http://www.star-telegram.com/226/story/514458.html
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:27 PM
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16. I told the people in the pro-Hillary thread so
I told them to hold their horses... I told them that if you aren't from Texas and didn't go to the caucus that you might be surprised with the caucus results....

My little precinct was heavily pro-Obama by a margin of 7 to 1. We only had 8 delegates to go to the county convention... but if that gives any indication to the statistics on caucus attendees, it is completely possible that he would make up the deficit and surpass if with caucus delegates....

My honest opinion is that Obama voters in Texas are more of the type to commit completely and go to caucus whereas a lto of Hillary supporters don't. I give credit for my precinct to the Obama Precinct Chair, he made sure to meet people and convinced a lot of us to show up.

I TOLD THEM.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:36 PM
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17. CNN - Obama was the winner of the Texas Democratic caucuses
CNN 3/12/08
Obama increases lead in delegate count
(snip)
CNN Tuesday also projected that Obama was the winner of the Texas Democratic caucuses that occurred March 4. Obama will be awarded 38 of Texas's delegates, while Clinton will win 29 delegates as a result of the caucuses, CNN estimates.
Clinton beat Obama 51 percent to 47 percent in the Texas primary that was also held on March 4, but Obama was expected to win a majority of the 228 Texas delegates due to his caucus win.

Two-thirds of the state's 193 delegates were at stake at the primary, while the remaining third were decided by the caucuses.

With the wins in Mississippi and Texas, Obama now leads Clinton 1,608 to 1,478 in the total delegate count, CNN estimates. Neither candidate is expected to obtain the 2,025 delegates needed to win the nomination outright before the national convention in August.


:dem:


Sonia

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