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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 05:34 PM
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Can any Texas Politics gurus out here answer a question?
A conservative idiot from work told me that Texas had a $10 billion deficit in 1999 when Dems were in control of the State Legislature. He said that in 2003 when pukes took control, because of their wise conservative spending and budget practices, they eliminated the debt and now we're back in the black again.

I find it a dubious thing to think that conservatives did something smart. Are there any other circumstances or actions that he didn't take into account? And, is his budget assessment correct?
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 08:17 PM
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1. Not quite true
In 2002 the Republican Comptroller, Carolyn Keeton Rylander said we had a $5 Billion deficit under a Republican governor and a Republican Senate.

Right after the election when the republicans took over the House, the Comptroller admitted a small mistake. Instead of a $5 billion defict it was a $9.6 billion deficit!

And yes they balanced the budget in 2003 with massive cuts to education, but Texas has a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget.
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 09:11 PM
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2. Thanks. I need some ammo to battle this red-stater fool.
:hi:
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 09:17 PM
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3. I agree with John
Edited on Thu Jul-30-09 09:21 PM by sonias
Texas has a requirement to balance the budget, but they do resort to "Enron accounting" and fudge quite a bit. I remember when GWB was Governor they just shifted the final month of expenses to the following fiscal year so he could brag about "cutting taxes". It's all crap. Pay now or pay later. Cut investment in education and social services and you'll eventually pay somehow. Higher crime rates, higher disease and illness costs and less income collected due to lower paying jobs.

Even the Citizens for Tax Justice saw through GWB. A very good short read on the Bush legacy in Texas.
Governor George W. Bush record on Taxes
http://www.ctj.org/pdf/bush.pdf

The best place to do research on budgets is the Center for Public Priorities (CPPP). The budget is their specialty.
CPPP articles on budgets
The articles go back to 1995.

It's not a real clear answer. It's a matter of framing and timing. The R's controlled the Texas Legislature since 2001. That's why they got to re-re-re-districting starting in 2001.

Texas has also been growing in population and that has contributed to more money for the state, so that's added on the revenue side.

Hope that helps.

Sonia
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-30-09 09:40 PM
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4. Thank you for the links and the extra background.
:hi: :thumbsup:
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 12:52 PM
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5. More good articles on the budget wars
Lubbock Avalanche-Journal 2/7/09
Mother of all battles' shaping up in budget war

AUSTIN - Six years ago when the Texas Legislature faced a $10 billion shortfall, the lawmakers made substantial budget cutbacks, and all the Democrats could do was hopelessly watch because for the first time in more than 130 years the Republicans were in complete control of the state government.

And nowhere was the Republican muscle more evident than in the House of Representatives where the GOP had a solid 89-61 majority and a conservative speaker determined to cut the budget as much as possible to offset the enormous deficit.

Programs like the Children's Health Insurance Program and funding for community colleges, universities and state schools for the mentally disabled were drastically cut.

Some of those programs or institutions have yet to recover from the 2003 cutbacks, particularly state schools like Lubbock's which - as two U.S. Department of Justice investigations show - have had problems adequately caring for the nearly 5,000 residents under their watch.

This is a good example of how "savings" really aren't the truth. Because those costs just get shifted to later years. And in terms of equivalent dollars I bet that dealing with the problems like the state school settlement actually cost more in the long run than having them adequately staffed since 2003.


For a historical perspective:
CPPP 5/16/2006
Special Session Tax and School-Finance Package Creates $10.5 Billion Deficit
The fiscal notes for the tax and school-finance bills passed during the special session reveal a gap of $10.5 billion between the expected costs of HB 1 and anticipated revenues from HB 3, 4, and 5 in 2008-09. This deficit will place tremendous pressure on the next state budget, which could cause severe budget cutbacks, an increase in the state sales tax or other state taxes, an expansion of gambling as a source of revenue, or all of the above.

Again this is the Republicans played with the School Finance court mandated fix. They refused to deal with school funding inequities until the courts forced them to. And then they only did the bare minimum to get by. Until the next lawsuit, that is.

Oh and they plugged some of the gap this past session with the Federal Stimulus funds.

AAS 7/25/09
Texas' $3.2 billion stimulus plan approved

The U.S. Department of Education on Friday approved Texas' plan for spending billions in federal stimulus money.

The state's $3.2 billion plan includes money for textbooks and a $1.9 billion increase in school funding, which will provide for an $800 raise for all Texas teachers and other school workers.

The decision announced Friday makes $2 billion available now, with the remaining money contingent upon a second application due this fall.

Gov. Rick Perry, a critic of the federal stimulus legislation, said he was pleased that the federal government approved the state's plan.


So to sum up, I would tell your co-worker that the whole reign of Republican rule in Texas has been nothing but a shell game. Quite a lot like the Wall Street deviratives fiasco. The people in charge are not really giving us the whole truth, they wildly inflate their "success", and are running a ponzi schemes where certain contributors make off like bandits while the rest of us have to pay for the bailout eventually.

Sonia

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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-31-09 04:59 PM
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6. Interesting. Thank you.
I knew it had to be something crooked.
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