Re: the Kinkster as a DEM

I just really needed to use this icon :puke: after reading the below...
edit to say that I know this is not news to most of us, I just needed to express my opinion about the topic :puke:

Kinky Friedman to announce gubernatorial run

By Corrie MacLaggan | Friday, August 28, 2009, 04:58 PM

Kinky Friedman, the humorist and 2006 independent gubernatorial candidate, will formally announce on Tuesday he is running for governor as a Democrat, according to campaign manager Rania Batrice.

Friedman’s announcement tour — which will start Tuesday and go through Thursday — will start in Austin and continue in Houston, Dallas, El Paso and the Rio Grande Valley, Batrice said.

Other Democrats running for governor include Hank Gilbert, the party’s 2006 pick for agriculture commissioner; former Fort Worth legislator Tom Schieffer; Mark Thompson, the party’s 2006 nominee for railroad commissioner; and educator Felix Alvarado.

www.statesman.com via quorumreport

That's what he is in his heart.

:puke:

Sonia

I think the repugs pay this guy to do this.

are donating to Kinky this cycle.

Hope you are doing well! :hi:

Doing OK, except I hope we get some serious rain before my foundation cracks right down the middle.....!

He took a fair amount of votes from both sides of the aisle. We had the same problem then that we do now....there isn't a good candidate that excites people. Perhaps if we put one up Kinky would have stayed out of the race.

He does not care about the Democratic Party. Kinky cares about KINKY. He may also care about how much money he will make selling books and getting fodder for more books.

Wait. a box of rocks may be more literate than Bush. Neither of them derserve(d) to hold public office.

I understand the longstanding dislike of K. on this board is due to 1) the fact that he probably cost us the governorship last time and 2) he's pals with and voted for W. What else is this dislike based on?

Because he's probably the highest profile guy in the race. And his folky schtick plays well in some parts of Texas. I think he's got a pretty good shot at it.

But others can feel free to link in with threads I've missed.

What NoPasaran once called one stop shopping re anti Kinky

http://stopkinky.blogspot.com/

Actually here is a Muse thread that has a lot of anti Kinky info.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=180x29760

At least two incidents. One from his comedy routine a long time ago, for which he never apologized. And one about the Katrina evacuees in Houston. If Senfronia thinks he's an asshole, her word is gold with me.



Sonia

And of course Kinky himself is a pretty inexcusable bad joke. I was a bit disappointed to hear Senfronia had endorsed the Bobster for Gov already. I'm unlikely to take her advice on this issue.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/gen/ap/TX_Texas_Governor_Schieffer.html

Reason One, I really don't think he could win.

Reason Two, I don't think he has a clue about running the state. Kinky asks, "how hard could it be?" Probably a lot harder than he imagines. For example, it's easy to say you're going to get rid of toll roads. But how does that really play out? What happens to the already-existing tollroads? How do you get out of the obligations already made to private companies? And how do you pay for new roads that are supposed to be tolled? Is the Legislature going to raise the gas tax? Does Kinky have the political skill to bring something like that about? Somehow I don't think so.

The ONLY THING he's good for is comic relief during the campaign- other than that he's a waste of space.

to keep Austin weird.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/9244/txgov-kinky-friedman-announces-for-governor-doesnt-like-how-lbj-passed-civil-rights">Kinky Friedman Announces for Governor, Doesn't Like How LBJ Passed Civil Rights

Big discussion going on BOR about the fraudster - Kinky.

Sonia

:eyes:

Hi GOPisEvil:hi:

It's not nice. :eyes:


Sonia

I was checking out Kinky's website to see where he stands on issues (which were not to be found) and saw that Jim Hightower will be one of his advisers. This is deeply disappointing. I really like Hightower.


(added) link: http://www.texansforkinky.com/blog/

Jim oughta know better.

I guess Jim must be throwing his hat in with the "anything to win" crowd. Sad...

But in the last decade he's done jack shit for Texas Democrats. He's Kinky with another dozen or so IQ points.

I guess I'll have to remove the Hightower Lowdown link from my sig.

Damn, I thought he was smarter than that. Supporting Nader I can *barely* see, but KINKY?????!!!!!?????

There was a thread in GD about this and non-Texans were quick to say how they'd vote for him if they lived here. Thank goodness they don't.

I also hope they never say a bad word about Californians who voted for Arnie, because they're demonstrating the same thoughtlessness.

that have any better change of winning than Kinky, at least at the moment. I think you will be surprised by the support he will receive. What will the temperature be here if he actually wins the primary? Will you get behind him? Stay home on election day or vote republican?

The Rs will be too busy voting in their own little conflict so the crossover thing won't be a factor. Who knows what the independents do, but my guess is that they vote against Perry in the R primary. That leaves the Democratic base to our own primary. The Democratic base will not support Kinky. Hell they can't even get behind Tom Schieffer for his support of Bush and Kinky voted for Bush too.

Who knows how the primary plays out but I don't see Kinky the clown winning. He has zero policy experience. He would be worse than the gridlock we've had to tolerate under Perry.

Should the "nuke option occur" and Kinky win Democratic party primary - I won't vote for him in the general. I won't vote Republican, but hope that some one else runs as an independent. I won't stay home, but you can skip voting in a particular race.

Sonia

Kinky can't get past the primary. The only positive thing I see in this is Kinky trashing the Repubs during his short run.

I've spoken with more than a few Dems who want to vote in the R primary just to vote against Perry. I wonder how many D primary votes that will drain?

:puke: re both KBH and Goodhair.

Right now, I like Hank Gilbert. If Ronnie Earle gets in, I might jump into his direction though.

that would almost hand her the keys to the mansion--that would make it conceivable that Kinky would win the democratic primary and then you can't blame Kinky for losing the election - just your fellow dems. Kay is far more reasonable than Perry and she would landslide. If you're going to cross-over and vote republican wouldn't you want Perry to win the primary? Frankly, I think he would be easier to defeat in the general.

When-ever people talk about cross-over there are always two schools of thought. One is the case where you want to vote for the reasonable Republican, thinking that the Democrat is not likely to win. People tend to do this in majority Republican areas. Or they just like the Republican -- it's not unheard of, and Kay is popular. The other is that you vote for the worse of the two candidates hoping to give the Dem a better shot. I personally think that these two types of crossover may very well cancel each other out. Anyway I couldn't stand to have Republican primary voting history on my record so the question is moot for me. :P

I'm going to make a prediction right now re: the governor's race. If KBH gets in it and runs a halfway decent campaign, I think she'll win it. There you go, you read it here first. :D

they send you little plastic cards to identify yourself as a card carrying asshole for several years afterwards.

would leave voters who would elect Kinky as the Dem nominee. Did you actually follow Kinky's last campaign? Kinky has a tendency to open his mouth and insert his foot. Are you arguing that he will have better handlers this time? Are you arguing that he will have the personal discipline to listen to these improved handlers. Are you saying that memories are short?
Well, perhaps memories are short. That is only only one of the foregoing I might be willing to cede. Maybe his handlers can reinvent him ala mean oil spill Bill Clements into TinkerBill Clements the new and improved nice guy who got elected as governor. I think media was more easily manipulated then.

I'm betting Kinky will self destruct again. I'm betting Kinky won't care. I believe it was never about winning and service to Texas in the first place. The more spectacular the show, the more free advertising. :popcorn:

I was also responding to someone elses suggestion that dems would cross over to vote for Kay and that makes no sense to me. Perry, I understand. Regardless of who they cross over to vote for, if voters cross over in the primary to vote republican then it is possible for Kinky to take the dem nomination because there are fewer people voting democratic and, therefore, his chances improve. Didn't Schieffer use to be a republican too? You've got a guy with less name recognition than Kinky. It could happen. That's all I'm saying. Oh, and Kinky already does have better handlers - Hightower for one - whether you like Hightower or not, its better than what he had before. If you don't want Kinky take the dem primary you shouldn't assume he will self-destruct.

I still doubt that Kinky has the discipline to listen to either his handlers or advisers. I believe in the previous race, he had the guy who successfully ran Jesse Ventura's gubernatorial campaign running his song and dance.

The rationale for Dems I've talked to is that Perry is sooooooooo bad, Kay looks good. The stategery here is dump goodhair in the Primary and then vote Dem in the general on the assumption it won't be Kinky on the ticket. I've never gone in for cross voting in the primary, but it's appealing to a lot of cynical Dems who think we'll end up with a repuke Governor again, no matter what, and they can't stand it anymore to be Perry.

Obviously, the problem is, we get less Dems voting sanely in the Dem Primary. I agree with others here that Kinky doesn't have a chance in hell in the Dem Primary or the General. Still, it's tempting to vote against someone. I'll spend my primary vote voting for a real Democrat and against Kinky rather than against Perry in the hope that others will pick a viable Democrat in our primary.

If we end up with a repuke gov again, at least I did the right thing. Frankly I don't like either of them and I won't be happy either way. If nothing else, this one will be fun to watch.

I'm calling dibs on Boyd Ritchie's jowls.

:rofl: :popcorn:

I don't think he'll do it though. I would love voting for him if he did, but I think he would galvanize mindless conservatives that have made him a symbol for all the things they think they hate. Gilbert by contrast, doesn't go in with a pre-built opposition.

Voters that matter who are pissed at Perry are our standard issue republicans. Besides the far-right freaks, most republican voters I talk to, hate Perry's guts. Not enough to vote Democratic sadly, but enough to overcome any fear that Kay is somehow too "librul" There's a good chance Perry will go down in the primary and KBH will be harder to beat. Kind of the downside of targeting Goodhair.

He did bother to launch an exploratory committee and I doubt it was for naught.

This was allegedly from the horses mouth...
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/08/dems-eyeing-governors-office-s.html

Dems eyeing governor's office stir ...

Former Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle said this afternoon that he's more interested in running for governor than for attorney general. As governor, Earle (right) said he wouldn't have to be as careful in his pronouncements as he would... Former Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle said this afternoon that he's more interested in running for governor than for attorney general.

As governor, Earle (right) said he wouldn't have to be as careful in his pronouncements as he would as AG, the state's legal beagle. A governor can "speak truth to power," he said on "Texas Politics Today" on KOOP radio 97.1 FM in Austin.

Earle, a Democrat, set no timetable for deciding if he'll jump into the governor's race. He said he was looking hard at what it would cost -- "I'm not a wealthy man" -- and that he and his wife have been discussing a gubernatorial run for a while.

My bet would have been he doesn't run for anything.

After he left as Travis County DA I had the impression he was sick of the whole mess and wanted to get out of the spotlight. I hope he can justify a run. He would be a game changer. He'd dominate everyone in the primary.

You assume Kinky is a Dem. He just plays one when it is convenient.

What is it about this state? We were once the "I'd rather vote for a Yellow Dog then a Republican" state. What the hell happened to the once proud tradition of big L Liberals?

I will tell you. Real politicians realize which side the media is buttered and it is far to the right side. Because most of the media outlets are owned by a very select, conservative few. Until that monopoly is busted, there will be no chance for Dems to re-take state-wide offices, because the media controls the message. You don't have to look far to know that is the truth. Without breaking the strangle-hold of corporate-run media, there is no diversity in the message, no back-and-forth, only screaming and fear-mongering.

I believe Hightower is fed up with the State Party and realized they are run by non-liberal centrist. As a progressive liberal, I too am fed up with the weak-kneed, cow-towing, must-appease-to-not-lose-votes, democrats. LBJ would be poking some of these blue-dogs very hard in the chest and probably calling them what they really are, "cowardly Republicans" which is what they really are.

Although, we too share some of the blame, because we've been scared, we've been sold a bill of goods that if we kept to ourselves we wouldn't end up in a black-sight prison somewhere in middle Albania. We bought into the fear; like the time my mother actually said to me after I railed against the war criminals that heisted this country and then killed all those people for oil, "be careful when talking like that over the phone, you never know who might be listening." My response, "Mom, they'd have to commandeer the state of Alaska to hold everyone talking this way, it isn't going to happen."

The point being, fear has frozen us from acting as real Americans, not these lilly-livered sheeple blindly following in total abject fear for their way of life. These poor people, now really, truly poor, have voted out of fear for so long they have no idea they are literally clasping the shackles of their corporate masters ON THEIR OWN.

The Democratic party has its share of corporatist. I, for one, want to root them out and throw them back to the republicans. The game here is to keep playing one side against the other and meanwhile work on getting more and more rights for corporations, oh wait they've done that already. Even now, there is a case going before the supreme court to try and remove the restrictions on corporations and what they can contribute to candidates. With a fairly conservative, pro-business court, its going to be a nail-biter. Once corporations have that little (not so little) plum, we will have lost a major battle in real democratic rule in this country.

Most corporations are multi-national. Which means you'll have people in Spain, the Netherlands, Middle East, and China making up their minds as to whom they will finance to run our government. We have little to say now on our public airwaves, because they are used by those same corporations to distract us and keep us fearful and well, you know the rest.

I am saying Kinky is a symptom of a much larger problem. No real democrat will run because they know if there is an un-paid bill, a bad break up with a high school girlfriend, or a speech given to the San Marcus Rotory Club about tubing where they said they loved the black inner tube and it gets distorted into loving inner-city blacks more then west Texas ranchers... well... Would you put yourself through that madness?

We need another LBJ, we need another blow-hard to clean out the pipes of this democratic system. There's too much silt and gunk in it now, which is why things are getting kinky...

Sorry, bad pun...