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harvey007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:19 PM
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Wildlife Services experiment with safe way to poison feral hogs
Source: San Antonio KENS TV

So far, efforts to slow the population growth down, such as by hunting and trapping the hogs, have been unsuccessful.

“We are not able to take enough to affect the breeding population," explained Michael Bodenchuk with Texas Wildlife Services.

However, Bodenchuck said they may have found a solution – feed them “HogGone,” a poisonous bait that is fatal within minutes.

“The most important part for us is that it be humane and that it only be delivered to hogs," he said.

Read more: http://www.kens5.com/news/Wildlife-Services-experimenting-with-new-safe-way-to-poison-feral-hogs--113037454.html
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:22 PM
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1. With all the unemployed gun owners needing to put food on the table
I am surprised

I would rather they advertise "Open Season on Wild Hogs" then allow all that meat go to waste
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:31 PM
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5. I wouldn't use just any gun on a feral hog. Might just piss 'em off.
It better be a rifle for most of them. When they've gotten big and been wild, they are pretty tough critters. Dangerous, too. We've had bad problems with them on ranches and even little ranchettes a few miles outside of small towns. They tear everything to shit. If poison or birth control works, good.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:37 PM
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8. 6.8 SPC or 30.06, perhaps?
Something with velocity and a lot of mass to boot, perhaps?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:44 PM
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18. I love it! Any problems with your Remington? I guess the misfire problems were
Isolated to the 700 series.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:50 PM
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20. I'm afraid I don't have a Remington
At least, not yet - let's put it that way. :hi:
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:41 PM
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10. My 7.65 Mauser knocks them down pretty good
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 08:46 PM by FreakinDJ
we have Wild Hog problems in N California too

Usually DF&G opens up the season, they make a few announcements and the problem gets solved pretty quickly

The short barrel Mauser with a 190 grain shell works better in the heavy brush where you find them



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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:52 AM
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27. My husband takes them with his bow.
I make all sorts of sausage. I think it is a big waste of food esp with so many going hungry. If they must be culled then they should not be wasted. I hope the poisoned carcases will not poison birds that feed on them.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:49 PM
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14. Send the gun owners out without guns
They should hunt the wild beasts while armed only with their own teeth and nails, just like their prey.

Now, that would be macho!
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 03:07 AM
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38. Actually, hunting them with a knife and dogs is popular.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-11 03:13 AM by BrightKnight
A gun might hurt someone or a dog. People and dogs get hurt all of the time with this method.

They are food and vermin. I just use a deer rifle.

Pigs are an invasive species. The population is exploding and they are very destructive to the land.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:22 PM
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2. Until it winds up in the human food supply, that is
Wild boars and hogs are a problem in eastern Texas, but at least they make for good eatin' once they're put down by responsible hunters. Poison them, and they're good for nothing but the incinerator.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:28 PM
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4. Not just eastern Texas.
For the last few years we have had significant problems with them in south Texas, tearing up peoples' yards, gardens, etc. Dangerous bastards too.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:37 PM
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9. The only good wild pig is a dead wild pig in the new world
and if people can come up w/ a safe but effective poison for wild hogs that is a good thing.

So far hunters have not been able to stop their population explosion and their breeding
w/ domesticated hogs. i have long been for the idea of using "pig in heat" pheromones
to attract wild hogs so they can be killed.



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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:44 PM
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11. It depends how how much state government is tying hunters' hands
Bacon, sausage, hot links, and all that good stuff. Better than a lot of toxic carcasses occupying a fenced-off landfill somewhere.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:58 PM
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15. In many states w/ almost unlimited hunting on wild hogs their populations ...
.... have continued to swell. The value of the meat from the pigs is far outweighed
by the ecological damage they do to native ecosystems and other areas.

And much like deer herds many hunters go for the trophy wild bore (male) and let many
female pigs pass by waiting for the big bore.

http://www.blindpigandtheacorn.com/.a/6a00e54ffe2ad388330120a7ed250c970b-400wi
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 12:10 PM
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32. Ehn.. most hog hunters I know..
will go for a large boar / sow (for bragging rights) and a couple of succulent smaller ones (to fill the freezer).
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:35 PM
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17. Pigs were here long before the white man.
What's with the "new world" reference?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peccary
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:48 PM
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19. No they weren't
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 10:16 PM by Botany
Javelinas are different from "wild hogs" Which were introduced to N. America by europeans
for agricultural and the european wild boar that was introduced for sport hunting which
escaped and has spread through many states.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:05 PM
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22. I chose the word "pigs" carefully.
They're Tayassuidae, not Suidae, on that I agree.

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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:59 PM
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21. These pig populations were started by the Spanish
in the 1500's. There has been speculation that some hunters brought some big Russian & German wild boars to breed bigger animals in the last 50 years or so. These pigs are not native to N America.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:14 PM
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23. Peccary can't eat the poison?
Are they killing off new world pigs, *and* old world pigs?

They're not like horses, European pigs have close relative species that *are* native to the new world. Peccary actually date back to 56-34 million years ago, and have fossils everywhere except for Antarctica and Australia.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:18 AM
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28. There are no peccary in the southeast, maybe Texas.
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:51 PM
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33. javelinas
no maybes we have them all over around here
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:15 PM
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25. The bigger "russian wild boar" was brought in for sport and escaped
Wild Boar was introduced into North Carolina in the early 1900s for sport but soon
escaped and thrived in the woods there. Wild Bore is now widely scattered in the
United States w/ feral hogs breeding w/ escaped farm animals adding to the growing
populations.

Although I have never seen the pigs myself I have seen "hog wallers" in S.E. Ohio.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:42 AM
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30. peccaries aren't pigs; they're rodents
Rats with tusks, essentially.


dg
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timo Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:51 PM
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34. they will
still eat the same bait as hogs
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:44 PM
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12. the story said
they die within minutes after eating the poison. or do you eat wild hogs that you find dead?
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:46 PM
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13. What do you do with the carcasses?
Leave them out in the wilderness, where other critters will eat them and ingest the poison, possibly making its way to the human food supply? Or dump them in a fenced-off landfill? Or burn them in an incinerator?

Hunting seems like a more sensible way out of this mess.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:27 PM
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3. How bout pay people to hunt the hogs, like they do in New Zealand!!!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 10:25 AM
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29. With a sharpened bayonet
Edited on Fri Jan-07-11 10:26 AM by formercia
Those crazy Kiwi Hog hunters don't consider it sporting to shoot one. They corner the hog with dogs and got to hand-to-hand combat.

Those hogs will clean up a deer carcass in a day or two, leaving nothing but a trampled spot and a few bits of hair and blood stains.

I talked with a hunter who spent 3 months in Hospital after being ripped from ankle to hip by one.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 11:55 AM
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31. Yes I met one of those guys
He just used a big hunting knife!

But they paid a bounty per boar, they also pay for possums hunters, which are a non native animal.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 02:56 PM
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35. Possum Hunters
If I remember correctly, Possums and Rabbits were dealt with by professional hunters hired by the government. They use .22s with silencers. The silencers are available over the counter but you have to have a permit.

Personally, I think they're cute, but they can be a pest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possum
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:35 PM
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6. Must. Not. Make. Rush. Limbaugh. Joke.
nt
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 08:36 PM
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7. Jeebus, 'cause there's a shortage of rednecks with guns down there. WTF? nt
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:24 PM
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16. Not a good idea
Carrion eaters will get poisoned when they snack on the poisoned dead ones. Also people pets will get into it.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:15 PM
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24. Coyote mass deaths coming soon.
:(
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:18 PM
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26. No...No...No..NO! Have these fuckers forgotten...
the "coyote getter" so quickly? Anybody ever hear of Unintended Consequences?

How many unintended animals will have to die before this, too, is banned.

http://www.predatordefense.org/m44s.htm

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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 03:43 PM
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36. Texas Wildlife "Services"?
Sounds like they need a fast rename to Texas Wildlife Death Panels?

Just checking. I know when I ask for service, I'm not asking for poison.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 10:47 AM
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39. +10
:spray: :rofl:
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 02:54 AM
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37. Rabbit drives were cheap, easy and effective.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-11 02:58 AM by BrightKnight
My family has been farming and ranching in Texas since the mid 1800's. At times the jackrabbit population would explode and communities organized massive rabbit drives to cull the population.

The State could very easily and cheaply organize County by County pig culls. Land owners could opt in and provide any information to the volunteers. Volunteers would have to register ahead of time. Commercial butcher services could be arranged for the day of the cull. All the free range organic pork you can shoot. The excess could be sold to cover costs or donated to food programs.

Something like this combined with a government run culling program is probably the only hope of controlling the population.



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Jonlovit Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-11 01:05 AM
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40. Wild Hogs
I might be wrong, but I don't think you can sale wild hog meat in Texas.
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