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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 07:23 AM
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Rebecca Forest: Tea Party Leader Tells Austin Rally There's Too Many Hispanics in Legislature
Rebecca Forest: Tea Party Leader Tells Austin Rally There's Too Many Hispanics in Legislature

By Richard Connelly, Mon., Jun. 13 2011 at 4:01 PM

The Houston Press

(video first, at link above)

This weekend saw another thrilling right-wing rally in Austin, and in this one Rebecca Forest, a co-founder of an immigration group called Women on the Wall, offered a unique take on why Texas can't get hard-core legislation passed like Arizona and Alabama.

"If you want to know why we can't pass legislation in Texas it's because we have 37, no 36, Hispanics in the Legislature. All of the states that have passed legislation have a handful and I mean literally, some of them have NO Hispanic legislators, well, maybe 3 or 5 or something. So that's, umm, part of our problem and we need to change those numbers. We need to do something about that."

Forest went on to say "during the debate on sanctuary cities, several Hispanic legislators testified that their grandparents and their parents were migrant workers who came over here to work and that THEY even worked in the fields. And some of them even admitted that they had been here illegally and that they came illegally. So the problem is these Hispanic legislators...is that it's too close to them and they, umm... simply cannot vote their conscience correctly."

THAT'S the problem -- Hispanic politicians can't vote their consciences correctly.

It's no surprise there's been some reaction.

(more at linked title above)

Well, at least she's "honest" :eyes:


(Be aware that the video at the link seems to have recorded more wind than the "speaker", so don't turn your speakers up!)
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 08:45 AM
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1. "That's part of our problem and we need to change those numbers"
Oh she is absolutely right. That's our problem in Texas. I would like to see that number be at least 60 or so. That would be about 40% of the House which would be about the correct percentage representation. And then of course I want to see it ramp up to be the super majority.

WallStreet Journal 2/18/11
Latino Numbers Soar in Texas, Promising More Political Clout
DALLAS—Latinos accounted for 65% of Texas's population growth over the past decade, and for 95% of the increase among its rapidly expanding under-18 population, numbers likely to amplify the group's political clout for years to come in the second most-populous state.

Data released Thursday by the U.S. Census Bureau show that Texas, long associated with cowboys, cattle and the wide-open range, became more urban and more Latino from 2000-2010. Non-Hispanic whites ceased being the majority, shrinking to 45.3% of the population from 52.4%.


Because after all - it's all over for you Non-Hispanic whites from here on out, baby. :evilgrin:

Oh and Rebecca Forest, just so you know we are keeping an enemies list starting right now. And you definitively made the cut! Congratulations racist! :mad:




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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:48 PM
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11. but I'm a "non Hispanic white"
is it all over for me? :cry:

(if it helps, I've lived along the border my entire life & was born south of the Nueces, the original Texas-Mexico border)

;)

dg
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 01:06 PM
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14. You're Non-Hispanic?
You could have fooled me. :) Tu tienes corazón grande!

Oh honey you know there will always be "discretion" when it comes to lists.
:hug:

The only pendejos/pendejas that have to sit outside in the hot Texas sun when we Latinos take over the state are the shitheads like Rebecca Forrest. That's why we're starting the list. We prefer to party and be friends, but if dip shits like Rebecca what to get in our face, then so be it honey. We're going to treat you like you deserve to be treated.

Come caca, Rebecca!! (After all you produce a whole lot of that naturally, Rebecca! No immigrant labor required!) :evilgrin:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 01:11 PM
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15. Yup
just supports my theory that the folks who live along the border, from Laredo on down, are forming their own distinct culture. It's not white, it's not Mexican....it's both. :) We even have our own language: Tex-Mex. :rofl:

I cracked someone up once...they asked me why I didn't like Dallas. "Too many white people." You're from the Valley. You know what I mean. :)

dg
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 01:02 AM
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27. re: Dallas' excess of white people
I'm from Houston and I know what you mean, too! Ha! :hi: to all of our Dallas friends here. You probably know what we mean as well ;)

The Houston Press recently did a cover story on our Indian population. I haven't read much of it, but years ago I had read that we've got like the second largest number of immigrants from India in Houston. The cover story probably mentions that. I know they like it here for our climate, so there's another plus for heat and humidity :D

I don't know if we'll ever have any South Asians in state office (if we don't already) but would guess Ms. Forest would consider them as one-too-many in office as well...
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 08:54 AM
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28. Some Tex Lege cirtter already got busted for telling Ramey Ko
that "his" people needed to get their names sounding more "normal" or something like that (he was testifying on a Voter ID bill, & attempting to explain why Asians go by more than 1 name).

So they already have problems with the Asian folks too. :rofl:

dg
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:49 AM
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29. I remember that one now.
Basically, they have a problem with anyone that sounds "furrin" or not Anglicized. If only they knew how weird British names can truly be... :evilgrin:

Oh, we ought to add more Texas dialects to this page, although they've got a good collection so far:
http://www.thedialectdictionary.com/view/letter/Texas
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:47 PM
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33. they'd better be on their knees thanking God my first name is Anglicized
cuz in Irish, it's spelled Ceillagh.

:evilgrin:

dg
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:58 AM
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31. Betty Brown was the lege critter
And Betty Brown got her ass kicked in her own Republican primary. She's no longer in the Lege. :nopity:

Texas State: Asian-Americans Need Simple Names To Help ID them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LFITORcYYw

Ramey Ko is wonderful :loveya: Ramey!!

He keeps his cool while she shows her stupid from the dais. :rofl:
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thanks_imjustlurking Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 09:50 AM
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2. The really disgusting thing is she thinks she can say that with impunity. nt
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 09:59 AM
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4. As long as Texas Hispanic voters stay idle, she CAN say that with impunity n/t
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 05:21 PM
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21. So true. In our county we have tried hard to get our
Hispanic neighbors involved, to little or no avail. We need a leader in the community whom they respect. Unfortunately we only have a bunch of white folks trying to interest them.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 09:57 AM
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3. The Tea Party Isn't Really Racist. Ask Them. They'll Tell You So.
The Tea Party isn't really racist. Ask them. they'll tell you so. :sarcasm:

Sonia, the older I get, the more I'm beginning to think that Richard Nixon may have had a point after all. We progressives need genuine enemies lists. Not for purposes of persecution or harassment, but so we can keep tabs on what these reactionaries say and do so should the tide finally turn, we can pitilessly squash their political careers and permanently sideline them from appointed or elected office.
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thanks_imjustlurking Donating Member (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 10:12 AM
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5. Of course we need an enemies list, with details.
There's so many I forget who did what.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:14 AM
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7. Yes lets start a list
#1 - Rick Perry
#2 - David Dewhust
#3 - Joe Stauss (Speaker of the House)
#4 - Burt Solomons - Author of the bill
#5 - Leo Berman (All around super asshole)
#6 - Debbie Riddle (Leo Berman in panty hose)
#7 - Rebecca Forrest (stupid Tea Party bee)

:kick:
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:10 AM
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6. You know how it starts
I can tell you and you'll recognize it:

Leo Berman in the Texas House during the floor debate on SB12 - Sanctuary Cities bill in the regular session:

"I don't have a racist bone in my body...."


And then he could add "Some of my best friends are ....

:puke:
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 11:45 AM
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8. Did You Hear What She Said About Field Workers?
I HOPE Texas progressives will rake Rebecca Forest and the TEA Party over the coals for what she said about so many Texas Hispanic legislators coming from humble backgrounds. Forest said that a lot of Texas Hispanic legislators came from families where their parents and grandparents were farm workers and that some of those legislators did such work themselves.

This remark not only flies in the face of decades of Republican propaganda about how the GOP supposedly respects working Americans of modest backgrounds (cf Pat Nixon's Republican cloth coat in his famous 'Checkers' speech, but puts the lie to Republican claims that they stand for people working to better themselves. Democrats should drive home the point that this isn't about the folks who harvest vegetables and picked cotton, but also mechanics, repairmen, custodians, housekeepers, and other people of humble origins. :grr:


With people like Forest around, you'd wonder how that humbly-born, migrant laborer-background Abraham Lincoln would get in the TEA-bagged Republican Party!

Rebecca Forest's remarks were not only racist but BLATANT class warfare by the better-off on the poor and humble. She deserves to be called on that stuff. The TEA Party deserves to be raked over the coals for that (censored).
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:41 PM
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9. Yes I did
My parents were farm workers. Most of my brothers worked the fields too - picking cotton. Oh and by the way we were never illegal immigrants - just poor growing up.

Anyhoo... totally agree with you - we need to get this stupid line of thinking branded on the hides of Texas GOP, who somehow think that everyone starts out life with a white collar job - unless you're here illegally. :eyes:

Let's get this video to the greatest page and try to make it go viral!

:kick:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:46 PM
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10. Let me guess: She shops at Bed Bath & Beyond
Man, they're not hiding their racism anymore, are they?

dg
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:51 PM
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12. And she thinks her produce gets to her table - how?
Magically picks itself of course! And damn those farm workers for thinking they deserve any kind of representation. Whether they are here legally or not!

I'd love to see her mow her own lawn. Better yet when only my people know how to grow food - good luck getting us to feed you anymore. :)

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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 12:53 PM
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13. There was an article about the effects of the AZ law a few months back
& yup, it was a bunch of whiny white people crying that their houses are dirty & yards unkempt.

Yet the dumb asses couldn't quite put 2 and 2 together.

dg
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 01:12 PM
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16. Good grief. K&R&shared on FB. nt
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:01 PM
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17. Thanks Lisa!
:hug:
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:36 PM
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18. Hate runs deep with this group.
I see very similar statements on my local message board, but at least there is a lot more push back now. I can report that in my area, the tea party seems to be shrinking, although not fast enough!
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 02:42 PM
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19. They are so soaked
I hope this is their peak. I do not want to see another session with these idiots out of their klan robes! :grr:
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 03:33 PM
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20. #5. The Tea Party is racist! n/t
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-11 10:15 PM
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22. And those 36 were several times larger than her audience.
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 01:29 AM
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23. Passed this video on to a few organizations:
LULAC, La Raza and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. I don't know if anything will happen, but it will help get it a little more exposure.

If anyone knows of other organizations I could contact, please let me know.


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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 08:13 AM
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24. Great idea - onestepforward
I can only think of one other group - MALDEF and I'll send the link on to them.

MALDEF most certainly will be involved in any lawsuits on redistricting and this plays very well into the frame of suppressing minority voters. Although she's not an elected representative, she has obviously paid visits to her tea party elected representatives. Some of them who probably share her "honesty".

:kick:
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 12:56 PM
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25. Thanks for sending it to MALDEF
I sent them late (1 am) and views at YouTube were at 1242. Now they are at 1738 :)
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TxVietVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-11 07:31 PM
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26. Where is the outrage?
Am I guessing that as a majority minority, Hispanic voters don't vote? What gives? Texas has changed to be so racist since I have left and returned 22 years later. I have a problem with this. I can't believe how these folks around here vote against their own best interest. Of course here, since there were no opposition candidates for local election, we just didn't have any.

Face it: Texas now has one-party rule. AT least the Dems can try to stop some of the conservnazis evil work, but is the Democratic Party going to come back to life here? Who is state party chair? Do we even have one?
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:50 AM
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30. I keep hearing that the Latino voters in Texas are too young
Yes they are the future majority of Texas. No one disputes that. They make up anywhere from 65-85% of students in Texas elementary schools. So the tide is coming.

But from a voting perspective the over 18 and eligible to vote Latino is not the majority of Texas voters. And of course you add apathy or just no real excitement in that base to vote, and you have the pathetic voter turnout we have in Texas. To be fair it happens in all races of voters - not just Latinos.

It's a very huge problem and one we desperately need a solution too.

Nice short video from 2009 but still very relevant.

Texas Tribune video
Hispanic Voter Turnout in Texas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXGwwivdDFM

Who is the current party chair? It's in flux. Right now the chairman of the Texas Democratic Party is Boyd Richie, but he's already said he's not running for re-election in 2012. So there are several announced candidates. Anytime you have a real race - things are crazy.

:kick:
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 11:51 AM
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32. Curb the intolerance, por favor
AAS Editorial 6/15/11
Curb the intolerance, por favor

Intolerance and ignorance never are welcome. Both are especially out of place at the Texas Capitol or any building where democracy is on display.

That is why two recent incidents at our Capitol are so distressing. One involved a state senator. The other involved a tea party activist. Both brought shame on themselves and embarrassment to the state.

(snip)

"We are 100 percent opposed to SB 9, which impacts our families and our communities," Aguirre said.

His brief testimony was offered in Spanish. An interpreter immediately converted it to English. For some reason, that arrangement upset Sen. Chris Harris, R-Arlington.

"Did I understand him correctly that he has been here since 1988?" said Harris, repeating something Aguirre had said in his introduction.

"Yes, sir, that's correct," Aguirre replied in English.

"Why aren't you speaking in English then? Twenty-three years. You've been here for 23 years?" Harris asked.

Through the interpreter, Aguirre said Spanish is his "first language and since it is his first time giving testimony he would rather do it in Spanish."

That seems reasonable to us. It did not to Harris.

"It is insulting to us," said Harris, taking it upon himself to speak for the entire committee. "It is very insulting. And if he knows English, he needs to be speaking in English."



Sen. Chris Harris (R-Arlington)is a Texas sized ass hat! :puke:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 02:48 PM
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34. Another shithead who's never heard of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
sheesh.

dg
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 03:05 PM
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35. Another name for the enemies list
Pinche pendejo! :mad:
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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 06:42 PM
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36. They are starting to feed on themselves
http://www.texasgopvote.com/2011-legislative-session/women-wall-and-ircot-founder-rebecca-forest-says-there-are-too-many-hispanics-te-002969

For a very long time, I have been telling people that groups like her's, ALIPAC, FAIR and NumbersUSA are not anti "illegal immigration" they are, in fact, anti-immigration and anti-Hispanic. Ms. Forest goes out of her way to clearly illustrate my point.

The following video is very hard to hear because of wind noise, but in the beginning of the video you can clearly hear her say, "If you want to know why we can't pass legislation in Texas it's because we have 37, no 36, Hispanics in the Legislature. All of the states that have passed legislation have a handful and I mean literally, some of them have NO Hispanic legislators, well, maybe 3 or 5 or something. So that's, umm, part of our problem and we need to change those numbers." Yes, that's right... She said we have too many Hispanics in our Legislature.

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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-11 09:08 PM
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37. Yes, we do need to change those numbers. Up!
I'd say we need to show this video to our friends in the other state forums, and maybe they can get their locals riled up enough to up their numbers, too :D
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 09:59 AM
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38. Ha Ha
At least some of them can see the Forrest through the trees. (yes bad pun intended)

...ALIPAC, FAIR and NumbersUSA are not anti "illegal immigration" they are, in fact, anti-immigration and anti-Hispanic


Good catch white cloud!

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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:01 PM
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39. That was a good op-ed
And now Houston Press has the video:

Speak English, State Senator Chris Harris Tells Witness

By Richard Connelly Fri., Jun. 17 2011 at 10:01 AM

Republican Chris Harris, from Arlington, was highly insulted when a man testifying against the "sanctuary cities" bill had the gall to make his viewpoint known to elected officials in his native language.

Antolin Aguirre of the Austin Immigrant Rights Coalition, who's been in the U.S. since 1988, spoke in Spanish because, his interpreter told Harris, it was his first time testifying before the Senate.

It started about two minutes into the testimony, when Harris' no-doubt great depths of patience, sympathy and empathy with immigrants had, by then, been sorely tested.

"Did I understand him correctly that he has been here since 1988?" Harris asked. "Why aren't you speaking in English then?"

...more at link...


The conservatives are all over both the op-ed piece and the HP's entry. And none of them seem to understand the concept that goes along with being more comfortable in speaking in your native language: less opportunity for mistakes in what you intend to say and what you mean. Such mistakes could also constitute a legal issue in some instances, such as testifying before a Senate hearing. You certainly don't want to say something you don't mean and then have it held against you!

Sen. Kirk Watson's subtle slap-down to Harris was nice as well :D
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-11 12:16 PM
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40. Thanks for the link!
Senator Chip Harris is a stupid ass! He's just as ugly (in behavior I mean) in the video as I imagined. :puke:

And great for Antolin Aguirre for sticking by his principles and continuing his testimony in Spanish! :toast:
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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:48 AM
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41.  Parties must be vigilant to fight bigotry
>>>>>>>>>

Straus, R-San Antonio, whose own city is more than 60 percent Hispanic, called Forest's comments "divisive and intolerant that have no place in our party, or, in the Texas House of Representatives.

"Our Hispanic members bring a diverse and valuable perspective to the legislative process, just as our Hispanic citizens do in our state," Straus said.

The problem for Perry, Straus, Dewhurst and other leaders, is that every now and then they have to put out these kinds of brush fires and each has the potential of giving a big black eye to the GOP or the tea party movement.

For example, before the 82nd Legislature convened in January, there was a similar controversy, with Straus the target.

Some conservative Republican activists, who didn't want him re-elected as leader of the House of Representatives, were urging the other 149 members to choose "a Christian" speaker instead. Straus is Jewish and the first Texan of his faith to lead the legislative chamber.





http://amarillo.com/opinion/opinion-columnist/2011-06-19/rangel-parties-must-be-vigilant-fight-bigotry
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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 10:51 AM
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42. Hispanics in the Texas legislature:
Edited on Mon Jun-20-11 10:56 AM by white cloud
Snip<<<<<<

A far cry from a newcomer, Forest is a veteran of anti-immigration rhetoric who has co-founded at least three anti-immigration organizations, including the Immigration Reform Coalition of Texas (IRCOT), whose website claims that they "harbor no disrespect toward immigrants" but rather "support legal immigration (at reasonable levels) of those desiring to enter legally, assimilate, and become Americans." Looking past the facade of the website's relatively benign statement, however, reveals links to minutemen and militia organizations and a Summer 2008 IRCOT newsletter that promotes a seminar from anti-immigration hate group FAIR.



Forest has moved on from IRCOT and is now the executive director of the Texas Alliance for America Legal Defense and Education Fund (TAALDEF), which she also co-founded. Forest has said she hopes to use the group to "level the playing field in the battle for rule-of-law immigration policy."

But despite no longer running IRCOT, Forest's legacy there remains intact. One speech she gave at a 2009 Memorial Day event, which is still featured on IRCOT's media player, is particularly telling of the organization and of Forest's anti-immigrant zeal. At one point in the nine-minute video, she claims that lawmakers are failing in their constitutional duty to "secure U.S. citizens from invasion by foreign-born populations." The video as a whole shows that, contrary to Rodriguez's assertion, Forest's recent comments were not those of a novice, but of someone who has been calculated in her anti-immigrant rhetoric for years. No excuses should be made by Rodriguez or Forest to defend such hateful rhetoric.




http://politicalcorrection.org/mobile/blog/201106160002
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-11 11:24 AM
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43. "Forest is a veteran of anti-immigration rhetoric"
Why am I not surprised?

:puke:
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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 01:10 PM
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44. More double talk from both side of her mouth
>>>>>>>>
I would argue that it is not, or why else would these legislators have been elected? I pray this is a sobering wake up call to Republicans in Texas and across the nation that these types of comments are used and abused by the Liberal Media and by the Democrats who keep the Hispanic community misinformed making them believe that most of Republicans do not care for them as a community, and that is not the fact. I pray that we seek to unify and not divide our Republican Party. The Republican Party stands for conservative fiscal and social values to which we Hispanics truly subscribe.
Dianne Costa




http://www.diannecostaforcongress.com/blog/reaction-ms-rebecca-forests-remarks-texas-capital-june-11-2011-20110617-17
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 03:03 PM
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45. OMG
Why do so many Hispanics buy into "saving" the rebublican party from their true identity? You can not change those spots.

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white cloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:57 PM
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46. All there defenses and speeches are
so twisted and underhanded they sometime forget where they are going and what they support.
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