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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-24-08 10:24 PM
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McGee found guilty.
The fact that the jury only took a few hours, and rejected McGee's "conspiracy" excuse so totally, speaks volumes.

MILWAUKEE -- A jury has found Michael McGee Jr. on all nine counts in his federal trial.

The former Milwaukee alderman faced nine counts of extortion, corruption and bribery and is facing 30 years in prison.

(snip)

http://www.wisn.com/news/16701618/detail.html
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 08:26 AM
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1. What conspiracy?
The guy was taped shaking down ethnic business owners. He also made threatening calls from jail. He had over twenty witnesses testify against him. They didn't just make this up.

McGee's a crook, plain and simple. I don't think he deserves thirty years in prison, but he deserves to do some time.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 11:01 AM
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2. Mc Gee's "conspiracy"
He claims the whole thing was all a big conspiracy between the FBI, the Milwaukee police, (maybe throw in the Illuminati as well,) to get him out of office. :eyes:
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 03:38 PM
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3. Hey, my bad
I recall that the last time I criticized McGee here at DU, I was attacked for it. Glad to see someone else is in my corner.

The city, overall, has some really good aldermen (particularly McGee's successor and the neighboring aldermen like Willie Hines who picked up the slack while McGee was in jail). McGee is scum, and belongs behind bars.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:46 AM
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6. I'm there too.
He's a crook. He got what he deserved.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-25-08 09:56 PM
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4. Get a grip. What you saw this month was a show trial.
The law enforcement agencies weren't the ones pulling the strings.

The legal defense team was in 4th quarter "prevent"/matador-mode.

This was a case brought by the same Bush Justice Dept. that's been waging partisan warfare, through in-house purges and selective prosecutions, for some time.

Just look at some of the other cases, and wait for the appeal:

Scott Horton, writing for Harper's Magazine

http://harpers.org/archive/2007/11/hbc-90001606

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/03/hbc-90002635

Former Alabama gov. Don Siegelman's at least won on appeal, and is out of jail, after having been convicted of... bribery, and multiple counts of mail fraud.

Continuing investigation at Raw Story:

http://rawstory.com/news08/2008/06/24/justice-for-sale-how-big-tobacco-teamed-up-with-the-gop-to-crush-democrats-in-the-south/

Or, for that matter, read Greg Palast's take on Elliot Spitzer:

http://www.gregpalast.com/elliot-spitzer-gets-nailed/

Which isn't to imply Spitzer or McGee were always Eagle Scouts (well, Spitzer almost was), or that one should over-draw the parallels between them, but this more accurately describes the game that's being played, who's playing for keeps, and why:

Elliot's Mess




While New York Governor Eliot Spitzer was paying an ‘escort’ $4,300 in a hotel room in Washington, just down the road, George Bush’s new Federal Reserve Board Chairman, Ben Bernanke, was secretly handing over $200 billion in a tryst with mortgage bank industry speculators.

Both acts were wanton, wicked and lewd. But there’s a BIG difference. The Governor was using his own checkbook. Bush’s man Bernanke was using ours.

This week, Bernanke’s Fed, for the first time in its history, loaned a selected coterie of banks one-fifth of a trillion dollars to guarantee these banks’ mortgage-backed junk bonds. The deluge of public loot was an eye-popping windfall to the very banking predators who have brought two million families to the brink of foreclosure.

Up until Wednesday, there was one single, lonely politician who stood in the way of this creepy little assignation at the bankers’ bordello: Eliot Spitzer.

Who are they kidding? Spitzer’s lynching and the bankers’ enriching are intimately tied.

How? Follow the money.

The press has swallowed Wall Street’s line that millions of US families are about to lose their homes because they bought homes they couldn’t afford or took loans too big for their wallets. Ba-LON-ey. That’s blaming the victim.

Here’s what happened. Since the Bush regime came to power, a new species of loan became the norm, the ‘sub-prime’ mortgage and its variants including loans with teeny “introductory” interest rates. From out of nowhere, a company called ‘Countrywide’ became America’s top mortgage lender, accounting for one in five home loans, a large chunk of these ‘sub-prime.’

Here’s how it worked: The Grinning Family, with US average household income, gets a $200,000 mortgage at 4% for two years. Their $955 monthly payment is 25% of their income. No problem. Their banker promises them a new mortgage, again at the cheap rate, in two years. But in two years, the promise ain’t worth a can of spam and the Grinnings are told to scram - because their house is now worth less than the mortgage. Now, the mortgage hits 9% or $1,609 plus fees to recover the “discount” they had for two years. Suddenly, payments equal 42% to 50% of pre-tax income. The Grinnings move into their Toyota.

Now, what kind of American is ‘sub-prime.’ Guess. No peeking. Here’s a hint: 73% of HIGH INCOME Black and Hispanic borrowers were given sub-prime loans versus 17% of similar-income Whites. Dark-skinned borrowers aren’t stupid - they had no choice. They were ‘steered’ as it’s called in the mortgage sharking business.

‘Steering,’ sub-prime loans with usurious kickers, fake inducements to over-borrow, called ‘fraudulent conveyance’ or ‘predatory lending’ under US law, were almost completely forbidden in the olden days (Clinton Administration and earlier) by federal regulators and state laws as nothing more than fancy loan-sharking.

But when the Bush regime took over, Countrywide and its banking brethren were told to party hearty - it was OK now to steer’m, fake’m, charge’m and take’m.

But there was this annoying party-pooper. The Attorney General of New York, Eliot Spitzer, who sued these guys to a fare-thee-well. Or tried to.

Instead of regulating the banks that had run amok, Bush’s regulators went on the warpath against Spitzer and states attempting to stop predatory practices. Making an unprecedented use of the legal power of “federal pre-emption,” Bush-bots ordered the states to NOT enforce their consumer protection laws.

Indeed, the feds actually filed a lawsuit to block Spitzer’s investigation of ugly racial mortgage steering. Bush’s banking buddies were especially steamed that Spitzer hammered bank practices across the nation using New York State laws.

Spitzer not only took on Countrywide, he took on their predatory enablers in the investment banking community. Behind Countrywide was the Mother Shark, its funder and now owner, Bank of America. Others joined the sharkfest: Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch and Citigroup’s Citibank made mortgage usury their major profit centers. They did this through a bit of financial legerdemain called “securitization.”

What that means is that they took a bunch of junk mortgages, like the Grinning's, loans about to go down the toilet and re-packaged them into “tranches” of bonds which were stamped “AAA” - top grade - by bond rating agencies. These gold-painted turds were sold as sparkling safe investments to US school district pension funds and town governments in Finland (really).

When the housing bubble burst and the paint flaked off, investors were left with the poop and the bankers were left with bonuses. Countrywide’s top man, Angelo Mozilo, will ‘earn’ a $77 million buy-out bonus this year on top of the $656 million - over half a billion dollars - he pulled in from 1998 through 2007...


With Mike, Jr., obviously, the issues and circumstances and personal choices were all different, but I suspect there are parallels that obtain.

The whole thing with him having been jailed from Day 1, shackled and kept in solitary, allowed only video-conference visitations (even his Minister), the astronomic bail; it does sort of conjure imagery which you might more commonly associate with some third world tin pot dictatorship.





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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:59 PM
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5. Too late to edit, so here's a reply that's really a postscript -- P.S.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Excerpt:

"First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


An early supporter of Hitler, by 1934 Niemöller had come to oppose the Nazis, and it was largely his high connections to influential and wealthy businessmen that saved him until 1937, after which he was imprisoned, eventually at Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps......





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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 07:38 AM
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7. Oh, perhaps the proper punishment for McGee was to nail him to a cross
He was in jail without bond because he was awaiting both local and federal trials. He was charged with many, many felonies. He made threatening calls from jail. He has a history of confrontational, violent behavior.

Michael McGee is a piece of shit crook, and he is exactly where he belongs.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:27 AM
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8. crook perhaps, belongs in jail, maybe--but still a show trial
I do not think anyone is saying McGee was without sin.

Even Mafia chiefs get bail

McGee was in the community, was of the community.
He represented one of the rougher districts in Milwaukee.
You may not like his politics.
You may not like his style.
You may not like anything about him.
But he seemed to represent the poorer individuals in his district well
These people will suffer.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:52 AM
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9. There are aldermen in neighboring districts that seem to be getting the job done
There are quite a few rough districts in Milwaukee that have outstanding aldermen. Willie Hines comes to mind, and while McGee was incarcerated, was doing a lot to help them out. And McGee's successor seems very competent to do the job effectively.

And none of them had to resort to extorting and bullying ethnic business owners to get the job done. This is not representing the poorer individuals in his district well. In four years, the only thing he was successful at doing was lining his own pockets.

One does not have to be a thug to be effective.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 12:41 PM
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10. I still remember McGee, Sr.
McGee Sr. wasn't outright corrupt like his brat, but he was a grandstanding, rabble-rousing jackass.
Like when he said his followers would snipe at cars on the freeways, if he wasn't re-elected.

McGee Sr. wasn't.
And there were no sniping incidents.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:05 PM
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12. If you want to cheer -- and validate -- this "victory" for Bush's DOJ
that's your business. Only a total (and completley unimaginative) ass wad, though, caps an argument with a rhetorical flourish characterizing someone as a "POS."

You used that same expression a year ago, and it pissed me off then, too. I'm not going to bother coming up with another reply, I'll just re-post the exchange we had at that time.

Apparently, nothing's evolved or grown, in your outlook, since then.

From:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x20696

Fighting Irish, June 8, 2007:
Suffice it to say, I think Mike McGee is a worthless, corrupt piece of shit. Good riddance to bad trash.


Reply:

RE: ...someone who extorts his constituents,

The gas station owner who wore a wire for the feds was compelled to do so by the authorities, having gotten into trouble with the ATF for selling tobacco to minors, and I'm not sure what else. It's no secret that a lot of the gas stations and 24 hour 'convenience' stores in the district -- and throughout the city -- are breeding grounds for (and in some cases, directly cause and contribute) to the city's crime problem. If Mike Jr. was coming down on some of them, I'm willing to wait for the trial to see exactly what was what.

RE: ...encourages dirty elections,

The woman who was charged by the city appeared on the air, on WMCS 1290 AM, and without saying anything directly about her upcoming case, also indicated that there was more to it than appeared in the papers. I also haven't heard (or read about) anyone making a direct link to Mike Jr.'s having been involved in any of those alleged activities.

For that matter, that whole Republican canard about "dirty elections" and "voter fraud" is pointless arguing. Republicans spend *more* than $5 per person to bus elderly and infirm (and carefully pre-screened) voters to the polls, and nobody even blinks or thinks twice. Katherine Harris and Robert Blackwell (as secretaries of state in Florida and Ohio, in 2000 and 2004) perform double duty running the election process in their states -- at the same time that they are also serving as state Republican party chairpersons of the Bush campaign -- and The Twit gets 'elected' twice, as a direct result of it. *Those* were some dirty elections, brother.

RE: ...makes death threats to his girlfriend,

Uh-huh. And where hormones are involved, what percentage of the adult population hasn't said things they've later regretted.

RE: ...stalks people on his time off,

He's also the first one to show up at crime scenes and has always done his best to be helpful and supportive to the victims involved. That's one of the reasons people respect him and are hoping for the best outcome.

RE: ...practices his own brand of racism

What's that, making people who have "white skin privilege" -- and are ignorantly unaware of the countless ways by which they benefit by it (or are in active denial that they have it at all) a little uneasy? I'm down with that.

Check out http://www.timwise.org for more on that topic... Especially the essay that compares talking about racism to a white person and talking about water to a fish.

RE: ...and all in all embarrasses the city through his egotistical grandstanding.

I'm not embarrassed. People who give a damn about the central city should be much more embarrassed by the conditions there -- and that Milwaukee is as segregated and divided as it is -- than by anything Mike Jr.'s done to try to make a better life for people there.

RE: ...If McGee is so great, how come he had to move to three different districts before he could get elected in one of them?

My guess is that his age had a little to do with it. People in their early 20's are rarely successful in politics. At least not right off the bat.

RE: ...Suffice it to say, I think Mike McGee is a worthless, corrupt piece of shit. Good riddance to bad trash.

Thank you for that patient, carefully worded declaration of bigotry and prejudice. Like I said, until more people make an effort to try and understand why people who live in the area are a little tee'd off about the treatment he's received (can you say, "double standards"?) -- and are also kind of holding their breath that he'll be able to give a good account of himself when given the opportunity to do so, the dialogue won't have even started.

I wouldn't normally have wasted my time to reply to your brand of crap, but as it really didn't take much effort at all, I guess I'm free to go on with the rest of my day.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-28-08 04:22 PM
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13. hard to reply mojowork_n I tend to agree with you
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-29-08 03:55 AM
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14. One year later, I stand behind every word
Edited on Sun Jun-29-08 04:01 AM by Fighting Irish
McGee (or whatever names he used on his various drivers licenses) is a corrupt, violent, racist piece of shit. And I don't consider calling McGee a "worthless, corrupt piece of shit" to be bigotry. That's what he is. He's a criminal. This has nothing to do with Bush's DOJ. McGee is not a victim. The people he terrorized were.

One would think that, given all the local and federal charges that kept him from bailing out, in addition to the strong-armed threats he dished out even from behind bars, that the system was just trying to screw him. He was a proven danger to society. The man was dangerous.

Remember that he and his batshit crazy father waged a rather nasty vendetta against ethnic business owners on the north side. Remember Mike Sr. told people to burn down that beauty store on his radio show? Because it was owned by people of Middle Eastern descent? And the store was the target of vandalism soon afterward? THAT'S bigotry!

As for dirty elections and vote buying, that's illegal. And just because Blackwell and Harris are corrupt doesn't give McGee a pass. Two wrongs don't make a right.

McGee tragically used the woes of his district to fulfill his own selfish needs. He only stood up for his constituents because he saw a way of making a quick buck. Milele Coggs and Willie Hines don't have to resort to corruption and extortion to get things done on the north side. Suffice it to say, I have no sympathy for Michael McGee. And saying that does not make me a racist. And quite frankly, I'm sick of the corruption that's been rampant in this city over the past decade.

So get a grip. Or bake him a cake with a metal file in it.
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mojowork_n Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 07:06 PM
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15. One year and several days later
...by referring to Mike Jr. as a racist,

...with your repeated and venomous over-use of terms like "violent", "dangerous", "a proven danger to society" who "terrorized" people,

...by reaching for every last club in the arsenal (confusing "voter fraud" with "election theft", to draw a false parallel with Blackwell and Harris, by reaching for distorted accounts of what his dad is supposed to have done a decade ago)

...by claiming that "McGee only stood up for his constituents because he saw a way of making a quick buck."

...by not being able to refer to him EXCEPT as a POS -- which you do in every single one of your posts...

I'd say you've told us everything we need to know, the repeated denials of bias notwithstanding.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-30-08 11:09 PM
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16. I call it as I see it
Edited on Mon Jun-30-08 11:11 PM by Fighting Irish
Dammit, do I have to draw you a fucking picture or something?

If you like to give politicians a pass on using Mafia-like tactics on constituents to get things like liquor licenses, just because you think the guy is actually doing something positive in the community, then you are delusional. He broke the law. And he betrayed the trust of many people who expected far better out of him. He is where he belongs.

You like to paint this schmuck as some kind of saint. Tell me, what the hell has he done that other aldermen haven't? So he shows up at crime scenes for photo ops. Big friggin' deal. So do a lot of the other aldermen. And so does the mayor sometimes. Hell, one alderman on the south side confronted some guy for urinating in a business doorway not too long ago.

Now, what the hell are you accusing me of anyway? Or do you just like to point fingers because anyone who disagrees with you must be some kind of sinister being? If you've got something to accuse me of, then just come out and fucking say it.
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-02-08 03:37 AM
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17. Why are you defending McGee?
Your views on McGee, are almost identical to how US foreign policy was, and still is, being done, towards right-wing dictators, first to "fight the commies," then as "allies against terrorists."

"Yes, he may be a rotten corrupt SOB, but he's OUR roten corrupt SOB!"

Recordings of McGee from JAIL, had him attempting jury-tampering.

McGee was just like his father.
Grandstanding, making up wild "conspiracies," the only difference is McGee Jr. was CAUGHT, shaking down businesses for BRIBES.
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