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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:10 PM
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Harper gets glowing endorsement from the Moonie Times
I love this, this exposes just what kind of neo-con harper is. If I was Layton or Martin I would make this an election issue.

http://washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20051201-081526-4938r">Washington Times

Gift from Canada?
By Patrick Basham
Published December 2, 2005

Why does President Bush hope Christmas comes a little late this year? Because on Jan. 23, Canada may elect the most pro-American leader in the Western world. Free-market economist Stephen Harper, leader of the opposition Conservative Party, is pro-free trade, pro-Iraq war, anti-Kyoto, and socially conservative. Move over Tony Blair: If elected, Mr. Harper will quickly become Mr. Bush's new best friend internationally and the poster boy for his ideal foreign leader.

...

If Martin's Liberal Party is re-elected for the fourth consecutive time, Canadian taxpayers will continue footing the bill for an expensive welfare state epitomized by its archaic government-run health-care system. Social policy experimentation on issues such as drugs and homosexual rights will continue in an incremental but decidedly progressive direction.

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Though still a young man in political terms, Stephen Harper may not receive a better opportunity to gain power and to steer Canada in a more conservative direction. If he and his fellow Conservatives can seize this opportunity to recast the policy debate, it will reveal a great deal about the evolving nature of Canadian political culture.

A Harper victory may prove to be the exception to the international rule -- a rare foreign event that manages to put a smile on President George W. Bush's face.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:43 PM
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1. How is a guy who wants to see American troops killed in Iraq...
"pro-American"?
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:23 PM
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2. Harper
will want to send Canadians to die with the Americans too.....which isn't going to go over big with me.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:59 AM
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3. Harper went on Fox TV and apologized for Canada not joining the Iraq war.
Why aren't the Liberals using this in their ads....I'm sure if Canadians knew this, it would turn them off Harper faster than anything!...If he was P.M. we would be in that war now and young Canadians would be coming home in body bags!
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:56 PM
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8. I think most people are aware of this
and while we may think it's awful, the Conservative and Conservative-leaning voter doesn't give two shits about it, and if they saw such an ad sponsored by the Liberal party, they would probably tune out anyway or say, "Well, consider the source". So you might as well not harp on it anymore.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:59 PM
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9. Quite the opposite, imo, it needs to be hammered home again
It should be a centerpiece in both Liberal and NDP ads. Harper would hand over Canada, gift wrapped, to the bush admin the first chance he got and his apology says exactly that. The only ones I know that are saying 'old news, move on' are faux Cons that know it is bad news for Harper if this is showcased again.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:47 PM
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4. I don't get it?
Harper is a bigger Neo-Con that Martin?...did I miss the 1990s?

Martin was/is practised some of the most austere monetarist policies anywhere in the western world?

Martin isn't pro-free trade? The bootlick's wealth comes from hauling Yankee freight and nothing he has done vis a vis NAFTA disputes makes be think he isn't still hauling Yankee freight (Anytime Martin wants to deal with softwood lumber as anything BUT a political football, I'll listen)

Kyoto? Who cares...Martin doesn't...our emissions are up 24% under the liberals...which is worst? Bush who didn't sign it, or Martin who did? Same result.

War? The US asked us to help them kill people three times and we responded twice...Afghanistan and Haiti? Oh well, Martin can improve his batting avg. when the US blasts it's way into Syria or Iran or Venezsuala or etc.

As far as social conservativism...not sure what that is anymore...but come to think of it, I am not sure what Martin believes, other than the fact he says the Liberal Party had a 'few rotten apples' and it's rested, relaxed and ready for another trip to the trough

Let's face it...both will ensure that national debt and inflation are the number one targets and no matter how many homeless people end up in the street, they both will stay the course.

Partisanship is fine...but issues like the economy, war and the environment is a little too important for partisan glibness.



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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:33 PM
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5. With Harper you'll get the double-whammy.
Not only will he disregard policy supporting social justice, he's so damn fixated on his precious little tax cuts that the national debt and inflation aren't priorities either.
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V. Kid Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 02:36 AM
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7. The only thing I can say in Martin's favour vs Harper...
...is that Martin is more pragmatic, in the sense that he'll follow the polls and try to stay in power at all costs. Therefore, if its an obvious vote getter to be progressive, he'll do it. Harper is probably too stuborn, and might be able to get a few issues by parliament but his most realistic strategy would be able to pull support from the Liberals and run the country like Germany's grand coalition.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:55 PM
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10. Good Point...
Most will conceed that the Liberals are 'whores' and have policies/principles that are changed to reflect the latest 'number-crunch' and that is why they are successful.

However, I can't say this about Martin as Martin has never been PM with a majority government. I am not exactly sure what Martin would do if his hands aren't tied by the Opposition?



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V. Kid Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:55 PM
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11. Well Martin was...
...a pretty right-wing Finance Minister. And when he was going to the polls in 2004 his cabinet was a touch to the right of Chretien's last cabinet. Also, his stewardship of his company indicates that he's likely to be somewhat of a neo-liberal. The only reason I would say he could be more progressive, other than just putting his finger in the wind, is because his Dad helped implement much of the social legislation that took place during Pearson and Trudeau's time. His Dad was a progressive L/liberal, for the time.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 10:14 PM
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6. "Partisian glibness"
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 10:22 PM by jim3775
Oh sorry, I bow down to lord Layton. Save us oh lord from Paul Martin's destruction of the world!!!

BTW I will be voting NDP in this election. You have no idea about my personal political beliefs.
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