Look who's kissing Quebec Derrier now!

was going to "bring Quebec into the family."....Look at the mess he started....That's when the Bloc started...

I'm convinced that if Meech had passed, there would only have been one referendum.

What does that tell ya about the Federation as it is?

YES others will leave

Québec wants some powers, but if all the provinces get the same powers (and we end up resembling a tru confederation), then we're just as happy.

which was more of a right of option. i.e.: to have to option of not suscribing to federal programs, and build their own with financial help.


That became a veto along the way and was cherished by a lot of québécois as a mean of preventing assimilation via federal policy-making. If everyone had it, it would indeed become a problem, but change it into a right of option and then it becomes workable for every province.

He opened up a can of worms...Things were fine when he stirred the pot to try to make himself the big hero....

A whole shitload of people in Québec were fuming about how the Constitution was adopted in 1982. Meech was pretty much the only chance we had of stopping the separatist movement in Québec.

and are bent on taking Quebec out of Canada no matter what concessions were or are ever made....IMO
P.S....I'm not "bud"...I'm a woman...:)

for callig you bud. (no disrespect intended)

As for Parizeau being bent on separating no matter what, that may be the case. However, if the Constitution had not been signed to the exclusion of Québec, or failing that if an agreement such as Meech were signed, hardliners like Parizeau would not have found enough followers to make much of a difference and separation would likely be little more than a memory.

difference...The thing is, there is not, nor has there ever been an uprising by the general population of Quebec against Canada...There have never been people marching in the streets demanding freedom as happens in countries where there have been real revolutions....The people go about the business of living normally until Parizeau or his ilk stirs the pot, but polls have shown that many of those who voted "oui" in the last referendem thought they would still be Canadian citizens....:)

Which would bascialy turn the country into a true Confederation, but that is beside the point. Just don't make the mistake of interpreting such poll results solely as confusion on the part of Québeckers.


The point is that if Meech had passed, most of the beefs that Québécois in general have wit the federal governement would have been put to rest. Without that motivation, even René Lévesque himself would not have been able to get the population to go for a second referendum.

People need motivation for this sort of political action. The fact that there has never been a violent revolution does not mean that there are no real issues, the people of Québec usually a pacifist lot, plus we're not exactly being phisically tortured here.

Without motivation, no action. Québécois are not just sheep who follow charismatic sheperds.

I think the root of the problem is that the other provinces just don't get Québecs motivations and Québec doesen't get the other provinces motivation.

No country is perfect, but things work pretty well for ALL the citizens of this country, I think. Even in the U.S.A. there is more unrest....Look at the militia groups scattered around the country who are plotting overthrowing the U.S.A government...I believe there is one in northern Michigan, for example....

The conquest, the Patriots, the loss of Labrador, the long (and now passed) domination of Québec economy by a small group of anglophones, Trudeau's refusal to accept biculturalism, the constitution of 1982, Meech and even Charlottetown...

Even the constant beating Québécois used to take in the Anglopghone written press (I used to because I haven't heard a lot of it lately) such as the National Post.

Those things tend to make for a lot of accumulated frustration.

No progressive person I know pays any attention to it....Some of the press in Quebec prints a lot of crap about English Canada too...C'est la vie....

Hitler in a Québec newspaper. That sort of things tends to make one angry.

The other big part of the problem is exactly that : Québec's opinions usually get dismissed out of hand without even a decent hearing by the rest of Canada as though Québécois were impetuous children. That does make a lot of them very annoyed.

"The other big part of the problem is exactly that : Québec's opinions usually get dismissed out of hand without even a decent hearing by the rest of Canada as though Québécois were impetuous children. That does make a lot of them very annoyed."


This is an ignorant statement. I don't see a separatist party for any other province but Quebec. Do you? How about the debates? Didn't Duceppe say along the lines 'if it isn't good for Quebec we don't care'.

Wow. Just Wow.

but it is not one that is sahred by the majority.

In fact a lot of us feel that Québec and he West should join forces to decentralise power a bit, but there's so much bigotry invloved on each side I don't think it will happen.

And is there not, in fact, a separstist movement in Alberta? Before you call anyone ignorant make sure you know what you are talking about.

Getting flared up like this at the mere mention of a differing opinion is the reason none of this is resolved already. Evryone just shuts out anything that goes against what they think.

I never said 'Separatist movement'. I said 'Separatist party'. Big difference. The original reply was to rebuke your assertions that "Québec's opinions usually get dismissed out of hand without even a decent hearing by the rest of Canada as though Québécois were impetuous children."

How can their opinions be dismissed when there is an entire federal party dedicated just to 'their' province?

So does the Bloc care about BC? About Saskatchewan? about anyone or anything but themselves and Quebec?

I didn't see a representative from an Alberta Separatist 'movement', or 'party' at the debates? Did you?

Perhaps if malcontent westerners want to do the same, they should create their own party.

Oh wait, wasn't that what the Canadian Alliance and now the Conservatives are all about? If we set aside the right wing ideology, was not that pary created exactly to provide a voice for Western Canada?

break up the country?

Edit to clear up a bit : in my view, all that the Bloc can really do is work with a minority government to push the issues and the views that the Québécois hold dear. It's not like they have the authority to set up a referendum or to unilateraly shove Québec out of the Confederation.

prefer to vote for them rather than the Liberals.

I doubt you'll see a lot of stuff that bashes Canada.

but this is too silly to even reply to....I wish you well...:)

Gesca, which is a division of the Power Corporation of Canada, owned by Paul Desmarais.

That includes La Presse, which is one of the biggest, province-wide papers. Paul Desmarais in a strong federalist and does not allow anyone who is even remotely separatist to work as an editorialist. That leaves le Journal de Montréal, which is usually too busy talking about hockey and car accidents to talk about poilitics and Le Devoir, which, indeed, presents a soverinist side sometimes. The latter however, is read by only 30 000 people every day.

Does that not qualify as largely federalist?

Quebec is the same on this score as the rest of Canada, in that, media concentration is a very Canadian thing and few complain outside of Quebec anyhow.

But as far as a Quebec federalist is concerned, it tends to be a creature, who supports federalism, if the tap remains on...when there is a threat that the tap might be turned off, being a Pequist, has it's advantages.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised to see Cretin reinvent himself as a Separatist if the price was right.

Why the Liberals want to keep this gate always open is a mystery--the gate should have been shut firmly after the last referendum/opinion poll.

(Hell even the Supreme Court considers the previous votes to be mere 'practice' or 'a warm up' for the real Referendum--the Clarity Act is an ill-conceived Federalist strategy)

need to come up with a clearer plan to not only stall the sovreignists but change the status quo in order to bring the moderates of that clan in with the federalists.

The fact of the matter is something needs to be done because a lot of people feel justified in the separatist plan of action in part because of the perception of how seriously they are being taken my the Rest of Canada. And 10 years of having Chrétien, Dion and now Lapierre speak to us as to impetuous children have made that perception a lot worse.

I think the only way to prevent a third referendum is to reform the federation somehow. In a manner that is fair to all provinces of course, but in a significant manner nonetheless.

You would think his fat lips would be getting sore by now.