Royal family caught up in Nazi row

Prince apologises for 'tasteless' costume

Sam Jones
Thursday January 13, 2005
The Guardian

Clarence House was last night forced into a major damage limitation exercise after Prince Harry was pictured in Nazi uniform at a fancy dress party.
The photograph, splashed across the front page of the Sun, showed the Prince of Wales's youngest son enjoying a drink and a cigarette while dressed as a member of Rommel's Afrika Korps, complete with a prominent swastika armband.

Prince Harry's latest embarrassment comes just two weeks before the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, the Nazi concentration camp where more than a million Jews were murdered.

On January 27, Prince Harry's uncle, Prince Edward, is due to represent the Queen at a memorial ceremony held at the death camp.


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No people, it's just the Windsor's showing the world their true colors.

Can't the kid be a kid and just do all the damn stupid things his adult critics we wish he wouldn't do. Harry is Diana's son and the most handsome royal in decades. People mag. had a shot of him shirtless and he's ripped to the bone. He's far more powerful as a adonis/icon in popular culture than any of critics. William may well rule someday but Harry rules right now.

Diana's boy. Cute.

... a history lesson. This is rather pathetic.

that The Guardian would never run.

Harry wore an armband. Poor judgement.

The Bush Family actually financed the rise of Hitler and financed over half the steel in his war machine along with a factory near Auschwitz to utilize the slave labor.

This is the dirty secret behind the misconception that 'the US' saved the world from Hitler.

No. FDR saved the world from Hitler.

The largest US corporations and bankers, including W's grampa Prescott who became a Senator in 1952, all built Hitler from the beginning of his murderous career because they were fascist war-profiteers, just like Poppy and Cheney building up Saddam.

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

http://lists.village.virginia.edu/listservs/spoons/woodco-greens.archive/woodco-greens.0006

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=572722

They quickly apologized and aknowledged it was wrong. Everybody says and does stupid stuff, and I don't know Prince Harry that well, but I would imagine his ideals are opposite of the Nazis. The true character of the person is what counts in the end. This was stupid and offensive, but it's over and didn't kill anybody. If anything, it showed how much the Nazis are hated.

He's got away with an awful lot of shit, largely as the press gave him some space after the death of his mother.

Everybody is entitled to some youthful exuberance and to make a few mistakes but Harry has repeatedly acted like a spoiled little brat. I realise that he didn't ask to be born into royalty, but it doesn't take Einstein to realise that you shouldn't put on a Nazi uniform two weeks before your grandmother (the Queen) represents the country at a holocaust memorial ceremony to mark 60 years since the liberation of Auschwitz....

you're right. I am actually very happy at the response he is receiving because it sends a clear message that we hate the ideals of the Nazis. The message is important, and I was wrong.

Everybody says and does stupid stuff, and I don't know Prince Harry that well, but I would imagine his ideals are opposite of the Nazis

Prince Harry is a parasite who believes that just because he was born into a certain family, he is superior to everybody else.

The sooner that lot are seperated from their heads, the better for all.

And I am not trying to imply it was okay to do this.

You have no evidence for this except your conjecture:

"Prince Harry is a parasite who believes that just because he was born into a certain family, he is superior to everybody else."

He is a mystery figure from photographs, who has never spoken to you
or judged you as harshly as you have just judged him. Jesus might
advise one to consider the "log in thine own eye." and use factual
analysis instead of conjecture to slander someone you don't know.

A change to the constitution to remove the monarchy as the head of the
church and to remove its official powers of "executive" government
could be tastefully executed that the monarchy might remain as head
of state and a symbol. I hope this event leads the public to
reconsider.

that makes me not want to accept it

"I apologize if I caused offense or embarassment."

He's not even sure that he did cause offense.

been supporting evidence in the argument in favor of regicide.

of English dying in WW2

...very fascistic about royally even if you don't go around with a swastika armband on your arm.

You'd think they'd be a little more cautious about going around endorsing an ideology which believes in genetic superiority and political power as an entitlement rather than something confered by the people.

a few months ago about people knowing their place in society. It regarded jobs and promotions but I don't recall the entire context. Charles, I suspect, thinks he is superior to the rest of us and trains his kids to think the same way.

nobody said nothing.

Perhaps those thousands (millions!) died that prince harry might be
free to wear whatever damn constume he wants to to a party.

I can't help but feel that the ACLU would be on Mr. Harry Windsor's
side in all this. I have a computer made in china, where people are
persecuted today not having religious freedom, and in truth, between
harry and me, i am the more insideious criminal, having supported
a horrible regime with my money.

Condemn harry and be a hipocrate, paying taxes to murder thousands
in iraq and leaving just as many to die from aids about the world
all the while feigning indignance due to some coloured fabric.

soon. His elder brother may be needed to help.

Thatcher's son stages coup in South America and the prince wants to be a nazi.

knew growing up would not have done that. But then, the upper crust of Britain dug the Nazis and only sealing of records hides the collusion they had with Hitler. His great-uncle or whatever David Windsor was, was a nazi collaborator. He's an inbred idiot.

no one outside of your group would have ever probably known about it. He is still a teen and teens as we all know do stupid things without ever thinking about who it might hurt or the consequences.

Going to any US college should make aware of that fact.

Uncle David had a Nazi-loving, Fascist, American She-male as Consort.

Hell, all he was doing was following his ancestral line--those Windsors were a bunch of Krauts until they changed their name because the country was fighting their old homeland.

Also, Rommel was not a Nazi. He was a brilliant tank commander, working for an asshole, an idiot, an evil man, in a wicked, wrong, vicious and brutal war. In small ways, he tried to mitigate the actions of his despotic, insane boss. If he had worn an allied or American uniform, he would be lauded as a moral warrior. You'd think these newspapers would do a little research before they spout, but they love the lurid story, and nuance escapes them.

....On October 14, 1944, two generals arrived to investigate Rommel in a plot to kill Hitler. He was a suspect for several reasons. Rommel had never joined the Nazi party, or supported Hitler, and often attempted to dissuade Hitler from his persecution of the Jewish people. He also had begun to criticize Hitler’s actions more frequently, and even ignored orders from Hitler. Against Hitler’s orders, Field Marshall Rommel treated prisoners of war with as much respect as he did his own men, and when ordered to execute them, set fire to the order. Rommel also criticized Hitler for not sending reinforcements whenever Rommel had requested them. http://www.angelfire.com/ia/totalwar/Rommel.html

If we don't learn history, we can't learn FROM history....oi vey!

which no one actually ever wore with the uniform and just went with the Afrika Korp uniform he probably would have gotten away with it.

I always thought that the idea behind costume parties (fancy dress in UK) was to be someone totally different from what you are. The staid banker comes as a cherub, the matron as a hooker, that sort of thing. It's a standard set piece in film comedies, with Hitler and some guy dressed as a woman getting pulled over by the cops, or whatever.

I think they are just bound and determined to portray Harry as the "bad boy" because it is an easy theme, and it sells papers. What they really need to do is get rid of the royal family, and let them blend into society like everyone else--let them go after the politicians, instead--but no, that's too touchy, because they are the ones with the scary power.

It's all horseshit, anyway!

The whole idea of costume parties is to go as something you aren't. Also like I said he is still young. I would lay even money that many in Parliament who are having a fit have done as bad or worse and maybe even knew what they were doing. It all pretty hypocritcal if you ask me. It also doesn't help Harry that most Brit newspapers have all the journalistic integrity and ethics of National Enquirer

oy vey....

That was cute, seeing those word next to that little kitten, what a hoot! :bounce:

I think Pixar should use that for their next movie involving Kittens.

if you are thinking of locking this thread as a 'dupe', will you first explain why the first thread on this subject in LBN was moved to General Discussion?

Especially because the other threads were written from a French (AFP) news agency, and AP (American) news agency. They are bound to have different perspectives that a British newspaper, and the AFP story was very short (even at it's source, 4 paragraphs)

if we went digging back into the past of many, many people in this country, we'd find a whole bunch of crap their progeny would want to be dismissed as youthful stupidity.

young people of every stripe, class and race do stupid things.

really flipping then. Just think if he mentioned guys with flags like that in their trucks... his future in politics would be ruined.

You know I don't have much time for dwelling on symbols, it's actions and attitudes that matter to me. I'm sure there are allot of fruit-cakes out there who would have indicated disgust if he wore a gay rights rainbow flag costume or dressed up like the late Freddy Mercury from the band Queen.

He's a kid for Christs sakes....

Oh my God, I hear he smokes Pot too.

:eyes:

This is much bigger than a Rebel Flag patch (I an actual Great, Great Grandson of a Confederate Lt. Colonel, and I live in one of the Reddest parts of Georgia, Sherman could have camped in my yard for all I know), so I know a bit about the subject. :eyes:

This is like Jeb or one of the twins, Jenna or Barbara, going to a costume party dressed in a full blown KKK outfit to the British people. It just ain't done.

I also have a few Nazi Holocaust victims, a Auschwitz surviver in my family, so I know a bit about that too.

And just in case you forgot, the Confederate Flag was NOT the Rebel flag everyone carries around, that was a Battle Flag, carried by the solders going into battle about to get their faces blown off. The CSA flag was different.

Not done. Shows more than lack of taste or maturity. It wasn't just the Holocaust - millions of Britons live with the memories of the London and Coventry blitzes.

You are right in that it is the same, or worse than, showing up in a KKK robe. Wouldn't that get you thrown out of ANY military academy, including Merchant Marine, in the United States? The former secretary is right; the kid's not officer material.

We all do, or have done, stupid stuff when younger, but somethings should disqualify you, at least for a time from certain positions of great responsibility such as being a military officer.

There is a difference between the Nazi symbol (or Confederate Battle flag, for that matter) and the rainbow flag. The reactions are different, too! Those reacting to this young man wearing a symbol of hate are disgusted because that symbol represents the deaths of millions of people. Those reacting to a rainbow flag are disgusted because they are, usually, bigots. To me, that is a HUGE difference. I do find it very telling that the gay pride colors was used as a counter-example. Very telling indeed!

The woman, for all her flaws, knew how to keep her kids from doing stupid stuff like that, or slammed their butts when they did. Chuck o' Wales better wise up.

...attention seeking behavior???

Be careful what you wish for. Especially when your real parent is dead.

however if the Queen were smart she would give him some attention alright....

"The Queen is to commemorate the liberation of Auschwitz by inviting survivors of the Nazi death camps to a reception at St James's Palace. She will also attend the Holocaust Memorial Day commemoration in London on January 27."

Make Harry participate in these commemorations, that way he gets a first
hand view of what these people went through.

A good lesson in life is what the man needs if you ask me.

plus Diana was not noted for her intelligence, so why would anybody be surprised that this little twirp would turn out smarter than the rest of his family? Disgraceful!

The poster said that Diana was "not noted for her intelligence", they didn't say "stupid", so get off your high horse. I would say that this is the understatement of the year. It's also polite.

Did she get cleverer after she died? Are we not allowed to make negative comments about dead people now?

Have we got to say that Reagan was a progressive, kind liberal because he's dead?

Diana wasn't noted for her intelligence. She's not untouchable just because she did some good things and was killed before her time.

And, you did!

:D

:hi:

:)

When he might not really be a Windsor?

She and her husband, George VI, were reigning during the Nazi Blitz. They would not evacuate London...except to retreat to Windsor Castle during the War.

Gee, if they were still alive, I wonder what they would have to say about this incident.

And, the older brother of George VI, Edward VIII, had even cavorted with the Nazis with his future wife, Ms. Wallace Simpson, before his abdication.

Some of these Royals need to study up on their own family history-if not their country's.

:wow:

... my teenage brother, who was fascinated with all things World War II, used to put Nazi armbands on both of us as we'd hang out in the neighborhood. I had no idea what "that funny black spider" (as Gretl in "The Sound of Music" called the swastika) was, or why I shouldn't have been wearing it. I pretty much did whatever my brother told me back then.

It was just juvenile goofiness on my brother's part. It was dumb; it was insensitive. It was teenage hijinx. I can only imagine what our Jewish neighbors were thinking!

Now, Harry's old enough to know better, but he did apologize. He was probably drunk when he put his costume together. As Keith Olbermann said, Harry was probably just thinking about his great-uncle, the Duke of Winsor!

That said, I think any country with a monarchy should throw them out of the palaces on their royal asses and make these parasites get a real job! I hate the royals just for being royals.

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you just compared a group of jews to being nazis, while talking about nazis. *blinks in mental pain*

That's pretty offensive.

P.

"Let's see......I'm third in line to the throne of the UK. My grandmother (the Queen) is representing my country at a holocaust memorial service in 2 weeks, commemorating the liberation of Auschwitz 60 years ago....I've got a fancy dress party this weekend - now, WHAT should I go dressed as?.....Choices choices......."


You don't have to be a genius to realise that dressing as a Nazi just might not be appropriate.

Harry has got away with a lot of things since his mum died and the press gave him some space. Since the press started looking into his life with vigour again (since he left school) he's been nothing but an embarrassment.

The Royal Family keep demanding privacy from press intrusion, but as somebody on BBC Radio 4 pointed out this morning, if this is the kind of thing they'd be doing behind closed doors then the public ought to know.

And it's not just a "long shot" - don't forget that this guy's great-grandfather came to the throne, in spite of being the "second" brother. It is well within the realms of possibility that this guy could one day be the Head of State dealing with his German or Israeli counterpart ...

So what we're talking here is not one of the Bush clan in Nazi or KKK regalia, but Dick Cheney in Nazi or KKK regalia. OK, I know what some people are going to say, but imagine it REALLY happening ...

The Skin

If Prince Harry was a real Nazi, he would have wore a "Bush for President" button on his Afrika Korps uniform.

As an ex-pat living here in Scotland, I am thoroughly tired of the Windsors and their monarchy. It is time to completely dimantle it. It is a symbol of arrogant imperialism, classism and elitism. Kings and queens etc., in this day and age. That being said, the bush monarchy in the US is jsut as bad. Dismantle it too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1389623,00.html

Prince Harry was today told he should visit Auschwitz after his apology for wearing a Nazi officer's uniform to a fancy dress party appeared to do little to calm the controversy. The California-based Simon Wiesenthal Centre, one of the largest international Jewish human rights organisations, said the prince should attend a ceremony being held at the death camp later this month to mark the 60th anniversary of its liberation.

A photograph splashed across the front page of the Sun showed Prince Harry enjoying a drink and a cigarette while dressed as a member of Rommel's Afrika Corp, complete with red swastika armband.

The Simon Wiesenthal Centre's strongly-worded rebuke said that, in Auschwitz, the prince would see the results "of the hated symbol he so foolishly and brazenly chose to wear" at the party.

"This was a shameful act, displaying insensitivity for the victims," a statement said. "Not just for those soldiers of his own country who gave their lives to defeat Nazism, but to the victims of the Holocaust who were the principal victims of the Nazis."

SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER OUTRAGED BY BRITAIN'S PRINCE HARRY

JANUARY 12, 2005
The Simon Wiesenthal Center said today that it was outraged by the actions of Prince Harry who donned a Nazi uniform at a masquerade party. "This was a shameful act displaying insensitivity for the victims, not just for those soldiers of his own country who gave their lives to defeat Nazism, but to the victims of the Holocaust who were the principal victims of the Nazis," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean and founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

"We strongly urge Prince Harry to accompany the British delegation on January 27th to the Auschwitz death camp to commemorate 60 years since liberation. There he will see the results of the hated symbol he so foolishly and brazenly chose to wear," Rabbi Hier concluded.

See:
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=245494&ct=344184

The Skin

How many others have hired that costume before Harry? And will hire it after...

Prince harry is free to wear whatever clothes he wants to parties
last time i checked. It is his civil right, and as much as i deplore
the symbol, it has become increasingly meaningless 2 generations after
the great war.... that a child might wear it to a party, much as he
has seen it worn in cinema films and other material, such as the film
"the producers" without insult taken.

So what all these liberals are bitching about, is that prince harry
should not have the same right to free speech and action as they
themselves have. And then it shows them all to be royalists hiding
behind a veil of fake concern... that the royals "have" special powers
and must march to a different tune, one of the cult, that every outing
must be in approved cult costume.

For people misinformed, page 131 of the UK citizenship guide:
"Every person in Britain has the right to equal treatment under the
law. The law applies in the same way to everybody - regardless of who
they are or where they are from."

Page 135:
Freedom of thought, conscience and religion: Everyone is free to
hodl whatever views and beliefs they wish. Again this right will
only be limited for reasons such as public safety, the protection
of public order, and the protection of the rights and freedoms of
others.

Freedom of expression: Everyone has the freedom to express their
views - but this may be limited for reasons of public safety or
to protect the rights of others.

Hmmm... it seems that Prince Harry is a citizen, not employed by the
government, in his private time, wearing a costume. It strikes me
that the people violating his civil rights are those who are
abusing the public media to twist him in to a monster for wearing
a silly shirt.

When BNP party members wear the same shirt, nobody gives a toss, and
until Prince Harry is taking any official roles beyond "young adult"
he should be left alone to his own life.

The real problem, is that this family is percieved as "beyond"
normal human rights, and this very existance of an exception to the
very law that claims equality, is the root failure. Take this
as an omen that the monarchy has outlived its usefulness.

A sensible, rational reply? Here? No wonder the thread went quiet ...

Hey Sweetheart, haven't you heard? You're not allowed to be sensible
in a thread about the Royal Family! No logic allowed, only rabid
slander and pseudo-historic histrionics.

> Freedom of thought, conscience and religion: Everyone is free to
> hold whatever views and beliefs they wish.

Come, come, that doesn't apply when the media want you to rip their
current target to shreds.

If the media shows you a picture of a starving child, put your hand
in your pocket to help top up the debts paid by the child's government
to the world's bankers.

If the media shows you a picture of a drowned child, put your hand
in your pocket to save your government from having to contribute as
much to their "Aid" programmes (which coincidentally end up in the
pockets of the Halliburtons of the world).

If the media shows you a picture of a shot child, put your hand
in your pocket to help top up the money paid to the arms manufacturers so the killing can continue.

If the media shows you a picture of a twenty-year-old at a fancy dress
party and tells you to "HATE" then you make sure that you HATE with
all of the other monkeys.

Don't go dreaming about freedom of speech, just follow the herd.

And whatever you do, don't go looking for any real news when we've
given you wall-to-wall coverage of a non-event.

Nihil

PS: Sweetheart, thanks for the breath of fresh air in this topic.
I have my gripes against certain members of the Royal Family but
this ongoing hysteria is ridiculous.

I don't think for a moment that Harry is a member of any of them, or supports them. BUT to have a royal make a joke of Nazism in this way does risk encouraging members of these groups to feel they are respectable. Therefore it was very stupid, quite apart from the distress that it causes Holocaust survivors, and the relatives of victims.

As well, it could be seen that supporters of such Nazism hate groups
are marginal at best and joining them on the sidelnes of the body
politic is the royal family.

they now tend to avoid Nazi regalia

are partly complicit in this situation. They still cling to the financial perks gained from their income via the civil list, the Duchies of Cornwall and Lancaster. If they want to be treated as private individuals they are going to have give up some of these privileges.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/140/140055_royal_familys_finances_to_be_probed.html

As for young Prince Hal I am pretty sure he is more interested in birds, booze and cigarettes than fascist politics. However, he should be aware that, whilst wearing Nazi insignia may be legal in Britain , it is outlawed in many EU countries. As far as I am aware European human rights legislation has never been successfully used to overturn these prohibitions. Because Britain was not occupied by the Third Reich many of its population do not realise the deep scars that still exist on the Continent. There are still many people alive today whose immediate family suffered directly from the horrors of that era. It is the reason why in countries such as France Nazi symbols still have the power to induce a great deal of pain. Seeing one of the heirs to the British throne wearing a swastika, even in jest, is hardly likely to endear the UK to its neighbours.

the Royal families future viability you know that the game is nearly up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/newscomment.html?in_page_id=1787&in_article_id=334102