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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:08 AM
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Here's a worrying little website.
http://www.oswaldmosley.com/

Pretty nasty quotes from people who definitely should've known better.

"No rising star in the political firmament ever shone more brightly than Sir Oswald Mosley. Since by general assent he could have become the leader of either the Labour or the Conservative Party. What Mosley so valiantly stood for could have saved this country from the Hungry Thirties and the Second World War". - Michael Foot, M.P.

"The greatest comet of British politics in the twentieth century . . . an orator of the highest rank. He produced, almost unaided, a programme of economic reconstruction which surpassed anything offered by Lloyd George or, in the United States, by F. D. Roosevelt... He has continued fertile in ideas.. These ideas came to him by inspiration . . . Interned quite absurdly under Regulation 18B during the Second World War. . . He was never anti-Semitic - only opposed to a Second World War for the sake of Jews elsewhere. He was never unpatriotic - only indifferent to German conquests in eastern Europe... A superb political thinker, the best of our age". - A.J.P.Taylor
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:16 AM
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1. I find the Foot quote amazing
considering that he was against Chamberlain's appeasement and supported Britains entry into the war. I would love to see the context of that...
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:21 AM
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4. They must've taken it way out of context, but still.....
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:24 AM
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5. I know
its just that when you have Foot's record, you are due some benefit of the doubt. It could be that they quoted Foot quoting someone else, for example. If not, it is of course disguisting.
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:13 PM
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6. The quote probably refers to
the 1920's version of Mosley,before he discovered fascism.

Incredibly,he was a Labour MP,& Minister Without Portfolio,
in the Macdonald Government & joined the Independent Labour Party,
an actual democratic socialist group.

The quote sounds like an excerpt from a book review,
& it is probably Mosley's memoirs "My Life", which was
published in '68.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley

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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:18 PM
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7. Yes, I reckon it refers to Mosley's economic theories when he was an MP.
Of course, he was a Tory MP too. Tory, Labour and Fascist. That says something about the man.

Still, it seems that the Foot quote comes from around the time of Mosley's autobiography, so he knew what he was saying, and the context it would be seen in. Not wise.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:19 AM
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2. Wasn't he a Nazi?
And married to one of the Mitford sisters?

FSC
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 11:20 AM
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3. He was chief of the British Union of Fascists.
And I believe he was married to one of the Mitfords.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 12:22 PM
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8. It's Taylor's comments that worry me the most.
Particularly considering that AJP Taylor was a Marxist.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 04:53 AM
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10. Indeed
"He was never anti-Semitic - only opposed to a Second World War for the sake of Jews elsewhere."

So that's, what - 6 millions people he didn't give a fuck about? For starters.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 11:14 PM
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12. When was there ever a question of 'a war for the sake of Jews'?
Where were these mythical Jews clamouring for us to get in there and liberate them? That's exactly the kind of crap Hitler came out with.
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-02-05 01:11 PM
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9. I'd love to see the paragraph that comes AFTER the Foot quote ....
Unfortunately, British politics tends to throw up (in the way that my cats throw up furballs)"gifted" Maverick characters who, in quest of power, are happy to jump onto the latest bandwagon.

Kiljoy-Slick is only the most recent of a long line which includes not only Mosley but Dr. David Owen and Winston Churchill alongside a gaggle of minor characters. (Remember Reg Prentice and Dick(head) Taverne? No, probably not.)

Let us not forget, also, that to large swarthes of the British and American Chattering Classes between the wars, Fascism - like Thatcherism in the 80s - was seen as a can-do, hi-tec, Democracy-is-for-wimps Great Leap Forward.

Mosley was only doing what comes naturally to rootless, unprincipled Good Looking Nowts everywhere.

The Skin
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-03-05 08:50 PM
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11. If we had lost the Battle of Britain
I'm sure Mosley would have been first choice for Hitler's puppet ruler.
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-04-05 04:11 AM
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13. Actually, I think that Robert Harris got it right in "Fatherland" ...
... his "alternative history" novel in which the Nazis won. In that, the Britannic provinces were under the benevolent viceroyalty of King Edward and Queen Wallace.

I'm sure Mosley would have been suitably rewarded for his loyalty, though.

The Slin

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