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B Whale Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-13-09 06:35 PM
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Thought Police. 100 protestors arrested for the crime of about to protest at a power station
Plod at it again.

Showing they are a political police force.

I'm sorry but if i was burgled it would take 4 days for some teenager to turn up and yawn at my predicament yet they steam in mob handed to arrest hippies who give a shit about the environment.

I thought they'd keep their head down after killing tomlinson and then lying about it but are once again proving in broad daylight they are the police for the rich, the powerful and the state NOT the public.

Getting beyond a joke now.

(Oh and just watch their prolific PR machine start the smear campaign instantly, innuendo, suggestion and blatant lies, probably initially including phrases such as 'items found' and 'materials uncovered', then 'plans for' with fuck all detail, then personal about a few of them, so boring yet effective. Fed to the usual despicable rags that are their mouthpiece and hey presto well done plod.)

Love democracy me...
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:32 AM
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1. From The Guardian article: police photographing visitors to Greenpeace
Last night campaigners said police were photographing and stopping people entering and leaving public meetings and the offices of the lobby group Greenpeace.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/14/police-arrests-environment-campaigners


I find the charge of "conspiracy to commit aggravated trespass" close to thoughtcrime too. Just 20 years ago (under Thatcher!), "aggravated trespass" didn't even exist as an offence; and 'trespass' was just a civil offence, that only occurred when you refused to leave private property - it would have been impossible to have a 'conspiracy' to commit it in the future.

The BBC say all 114 have been released - on bail. So they may still get charged. I'd opt for a jury trial if I were them, if they are. The Kingsnorth protesters got off; and I think proving beyond reasonable doubt the 'aggravated' part of a charge when nothing as done could be difficult.
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B Whale Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 07:41 AM
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2. Its frightening. they were also photographeing people entering an environmental meeting
in Brighton a few weeks back if i remember.

The thing that gets me is how blatant it all is. They have admitted they are building a database of political activists and people who attend demonstrations.

Its unbelieveably sinister yet they don't seem to care who knows about it, signalling to me they know how powerful they have becopme and will be backed up by MPs (and sadly most of the public too)

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Albus Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:16 PM
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4. Why so surprised though?
This is what you voted for.

This is what you wanted.

This is socialism.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:47 PM
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5. No, socialism is not a state giving the police whatever they want
That's authoritarianism. And can come from the right just as much as the left.

And I don't know who B Whale voted for, but I haven't seen any support for New Labour from him.
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Albus Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 03:50 PM
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6. True enough. I stand corrected
I would say though that virtually all the socialist states in history have also been authoritarian.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:36 PM
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7. Not socialism in the Western European sense, no
Labour Party does not equal Soviet-style Communism or authoritarianism.

Attlee, Wilson and Callaghan were not authoritarian. Thatcher, on the other hand, was.

By the way, I voted LibDem in the last three general elections.
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Albus Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 04:48 PM
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8. Thatcher was such an authoritarian that she
was named a "hero of freedom" by Reason magazine.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28959.html


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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 05:37 PM
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9. I am old enough to have my own memories of Thatcher...
ranging from the sus laws to the draconian use of the Official Secrets Act to the centralization of powers that once belonged to local authorities.

Unfortunately, there are people who assume that economic laissez-faire equals freedom.

It is in any case my experience that people who get titles like 'Hero of Freedom' are almost always anything but.
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B Whale Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 06:55 PM
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10. Sorry, but nonsense. As MV has pointed out this is far from
socialism.

I did not vote New Labour at the last 2 elections either. They are an authoritarian centre right party much like Thatcher but, to be honest, with less balls.

The Tories introduced horific authoritarian legislation throughout their time and have cheerleaded new Labour to do the same since.

A particular authoritarian strand of socialism spawned from the soviet union was authoritarian.

and i would look at all the right wing juntas of south america, africa and parts of europe and the reactionary conservative religious regimes of the middle and far east before getting too sure of your right wing position of freedom.

Power is what corrupts and power seeks more power. I'm a social democract and despise that process.

and btw. Capitalism does not equal freedom. far from it as we all know
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 11:38 AM
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3. I suppose one could call it 'Son of Sus Laws'
For a while, New Labour seemed to go more for managerocracy than blatant police-state-ism; but they are definitely getting worse about civil liberties.
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